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  1. Dread says:

    “And besides all that it’s now the third day since all these things happened…”

  2. Michael says:

    and the end result is that not much changed at all…

  3. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    Kevin Conroy, Bruce Wayne/Batman in Batman: the animated series, died yesterday. It’s been 30 years since that cartoon first aired and it’s still one of the best Batman shows ever made.

    Made it to Lief Moi’s memorial service last week.

    And the CT podcast is finally done … and I still feel pretty “meh” about it overall. If you haven’t tracked it previously I’d say don’t bother now. Still, compared to what you-know-who has spouted lately having an alternative is something. Roys can tackle the other stuff for a while.

    This has been a pretty bad year and I’ve decided to take another break from WtH, probably until 2023 starts. But, obviously, I am willing to comment at my usual online/blog haunts. There’s been an overwhelming amount of death this year is the short and ugly of it.

  4. JTK says:

    So as I ponder our nation and the state of our church in our nation…

    I compare that to Matthew 16 and the promise that the gates of Hell won’t prevail against the church, and I wonder how that will go.

    And I really wonder, when I watched Scorcese’s “Silence” about persecution and the (almost?) elimination of the church in Japan in the 16th century how it all works together…

    Any thoughts?

  5. Michael says:


    The church and the nation are two separate things and the more they are separated at this juncture, the better.

    The church is flourishing in many places…it could disappear from America and still be vital and powerful elsewhere.

    The current state of American Christianity suggests to me that a complete collapse may be the way God rebuilds it in his image…

  6. Officerhoppy says:

    It’s amazing to me how much the American culture is infused in our theology, and understanding of scripture.

    The first century believers wouldn’t recognize us as followers of Christ

  7. Michael says:


    “There’s been an overwhelming amount of death this year is the short and ugly of it.”

    I hear you…it’s been staggering.

  8. UnCCed says:

    Serious question,
    At what point or what event has to happen in a ministry before theologically-speaking (not officially from leadership-I’m done waiting on them) should we consider Jesus has removed his candlestick (witness) from that ministry, or at least that ministry has lost the ability to hear The Spirit/discern?
    Jesus did say to the church at Laodicea they were nowhere and would be spit out.
    As the Rock Church in San Diego entered the news in another horrific example of morale failure (and we knew the leadership, and I know we’ve all experienced this), I’m wondering when does something occur when it’s safe to say they should just close their doors?
    And if the justification is “no thing would occur,” then what would be a modern equivalent of Laodiciea?
    Or Paul handing someone over to Satan?
    I’m seriously asking because most of the NT was written in response to some kind of error/failure, and there’s a lot questioning, examining, and judgement in there.
    If our behavior in leadership continues to be as horrible as the world, how can we say the Bible is our source for life when we justify, excuse, and accept the opposite?
    I’m mean, you’ve got to toss-out all of Revelation, and most of the epistles.
    Please note, I’m not regurgitating moral failure hopelessness.
    I’m talking about those of us who take it seriously, what is our standard and line you don’t cross or else? Then, what happens after?
    I’m shocked with all the theological development over the millennia, now all of a sudden, we can’t agree on child-killing isn’t a red-line?

  9. Michael says:


    Because we have no ecclesiastical accountability, the departure of the Spirit and the turning over to Satan have to happen outside the physical realm and I’m convinced that they do.

    The fact that people don’t notice simply means the Lord is allowing them to heap condemnation on themselves for that Day…

  10. UnCCed says:

    Thank you for the feedback and I really need your prayer for hope and perseverance.
    As a former “God has chosen us because we’ve figured everything out” in comparison to evil or backwards denoms, I’m ashamed I allowed myself to be duped into such ignorance.
    That I really believed a style of music or outward things was worth throwing everything out, I now realize the depth of my historical ignorance.
    Also, and my greatest fear, there’s no way to put the ketchup back in the bottle, or, historically for there to be a turn-around, it will get so bad before, future generations will wonder how we squandered so much.
    For so many of us to “believe” the Bible and so quickly abandon Jesus clear teaching on the church being salt & light, with no exemptions for petty grievances.
    God help us.
    I’ve served where lawlessness ruled, trust me (and every other Combat vet), y’all are NOT ready.

  11. Michael says:


    Every empire falls.

    Theologically, the main offense to God by a nation is idolatry…and idolatry is woven into the very fabric of American evangelicalism.

    I still have hope for revival, but it will come among those the church has already rejected.

    The other hope is that the idolatrous leaders are aging out and dying out…

  12. I’m taking a group of guys through Pete Scazzero’s “Emotionally Healthy Discipleship.” Our discussion for this Tuesday evening centers on chapter 4: Follow the Crucified, Not Americanized, Jesus. Should be interesting!

  13. Captain Kevin says:

    Piney, that does sound interesting. Update us on how it goes.

  14. Captain Kevin says:

    UnCCed, not knowing the whole story, I was at least glad to see that The Rock leadership has cut all ties with that murdering mom and grandparents. Have to wonder what the father knew or how involved he was before he committed suicide.

  15. CK,

    The entire book uproots so many evangelical constructs. Written by a man who learned the hard way, but by God’s grace finally figured out a few things. He sums up the core of his ministry as an attempt to get Christians to slow down.

  16. BlueSky says:

    I’m not Orthodox but this video on Church scandals helped me greatly, as I am one who is greatly troubled by them…

  17. UnCCed says:

    Thank y’all for the feedback.

  18. bob1 says:

    Don’t know about you, but this strikes me as a special kind of reactionary

    Doug Wilson’s Disciples Question Women’s Right to Vote

  19. Muff Potter says:

    “Doug Wilson’s Disciples Question Women’s Right to Vote”

    It’s hard to fathom that people actually believe Wison’s horse manure.

  20. Nathan Priddis says:

    Muff. It’s not that a majority of the Eva World believes this garbage. But, it’s the nature of the Beast that fringe elements make statements, followed by majority elements refusing to denounce or condem the fringe as false teachers.

    Whether it be child killings, Driscoll, Yohannan, Q, or the latest scandal of the week, people can’t or won’t separate right from wrong.

    Will women be disenfranchised in America? Maybe. That’s how it used to be and Eva always talks about our glorious past.

  21. bob1 says:

    There’s a bill in Congress set for a vote today. It’s a compromise that
    would safeguard same-sex marriage as long as it doesn’t infringe on religious groups’ right to believe as they choose.

    Anyone wanna predict how soon conservative religious activists will
    hold their breath and denounce it? 5.4,3,2,1…(Hint: they already have…)

    SALT LAKE CITY — The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints said Tuesday it would back proposed federal legislation to safeguard same-sex marriages, marking the latest show of support for the measure from conservative-leaning groups.

    The nearly 17-million member, Utah-based faith said in a statement that church doctrine would continue to consider same-sex relationships to be against God’s commandments. Yet it said it would support rights for same-sex couples as long as they didn’t infringe upon religious groups’ right to believe as they choose.

    “We believe this approach is the way forward. As we work together to preserve the principles and practices of religious freedom together with the rights of LGBTQ individuals much can be accomplished to heal relationships and foster greater understanding,” the church said in a statement posted on its website.

  22. Mike says:

    What ever Happened to pastor Bob coy out of Florida?
    Is he in some type of intense discipleship restoration program here in Southern California does anybody know?

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