Prasch’s Trash On Calvary Chapel

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59 Responses

  1. Babylon's Dread says:

    Classic PP

    Great job

  2. Michael says:

    Thank you, BD…sometimes I have to test and see if I still have the chops… 🙂

  3. Babylon's Dread says:

    Most of all thank you for sparing us a Prasch rant with your blow by blow… we’ve all endured his mania. I’ll take hours of Rick Warren over minutes of Prasch anyday. At least I’ll be warmed by the heart of the former.

  4. Michael says:

    BD,

    I suffer for my readers… 🙂
    I concur about Warren over this angry snorting.

  5. Noelle says:

    Everything that makes me sick about church today.

  6. Michael says:

    Noelle,

    Amen…and all so unnecessary…

  7. DavidM says:

    Jacob who??

  8. Michael says:

    DavidM,

    He’s a favored teacher among some CCites… he’s a hoot.

  9. JM says:

    Did Prasch “do” the sixties and that’s why he ended up this way?

  10. Michael says:

    JM,

    There appears to have been some sort of trauma… 🙂

  11. JM says:

    Too bad he didn’t end up like the ones who chased butterflies.

  12. EricL says:

    It must drive the CCA boys nuts that the other side is just basically ignoring them. Unless I’ve missed it, I know of no rants or ultimatums from the Brodersen camp.

    It is just the good ol’ boys and their buddies fuming and cursing the others, who ain’t real, true, genuine, CC guys according to their definitions. They seem determined to destroy it all rather than share any of the limelight with Brodersen. Sad.

  13. Scooter Jones says:

    Can’t we debate politics instead? Oh wait, this is politics 🙂

  14. DavidM says:

    Carpetbagger – “a person perceived as an unscrupulous opportunist.”
    Seems an apt description.

  15. Captain Kevin says:

    I’ve only seen one other video by Prasch, and that was one too many. So, thanks Michael for taking one for the team.

    And Bill Johnson? Seriously?!! You can’t name one CC pastor who is into that. If he were, his own congregation would run him out of town on a rail.

  16. Nice my friend!! Reminds me of the good old days!!

  17. Stephen says:

    From https://www.moriel.org/about/19-general/5992-about-jacob-prasch.html

    “Jacob and Moriel are committed to the conviction that we are in the Last Days approaching the return of Christ and that contemporary events in the Middle East, the moral deterioration of society, the destruction of the environment, the globalization of the world economy, the rise of a pseudo-democratic federal Europe and, above all, the apostasy in the contemporary church, are all events of prophetic significance eschatologically.”

    I’m surprised he’s not on CCA already

  18. Josh the Baptist says:

    IN all honesty, is this guy well?

  19. Steve says:

    And Bill Johnson? Seriously?!! You can’t name one CC pastor who is into that. If he were, his own congregation would run him out of town on a rail.
    ________________________________________________________________

    Well, I can think of a few CC pastors that have hosted worship pastor Kim Walker Smith from Jesus Culture from Bill Johnson’s ministry.

  20. Duane Arnold says:

    “According to a 2011 Pew Forum study on global Christianity, 285,480,000 or 13.1 percent of all Christians are Evangelicals. These figures do not include the Evangelical movements of Pentecostals and Charismatics; 584,080,000. The largest concentration of Evangelicals can be found in the United States, with 28.9% of the U.S. population or 91.76 million, the latter being roughly one third of the world’s Evangelicals”

    CCA was on its way to becoming a side-show… It is now running the risk of becoming the side-show of a side-show…

  21. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “And Bill Johnson? Seriously?!! You can’t name one CC pastor who is into that. If he were, his own congregation would run him out of town on a rail.”

    I can’t think of any Christian who could follow Bill Johnson and remain a Christian. Bill Johnson is the gateway drug to giving up your Christianity.

  22. Josh the Baptist says:

    Dread loves Bill Johnson.

  23. Corby says:

    40 minutes long, and the opening is like something from South Park making fun of stuff like this.

    Not, you know, not that I’ve ever, like, seen one of those, things.

  24. Disillusioned says:

    So full of himself. Barf. (Yeah, I watched…)

    Michael, “End times enema” ? (And I know exactly what that means!)

    Seriously, this guy is a pastor…? Keeps me running in the “away from church” direction…

  25. Lorenzo says:

    He’s literally the guy with a webcam ranting in his basement.

  26. Corby says:

    Another pop culture reference.

    You know that bit in Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the villagers find what they think is a witch? There are tests to prove whether she is a witch. Ultimately the logic goes like this.

    – What do you do with a witch? Burn them.
    – What do you burn apart from witches? Wood.
    – Why do witches burn? Because they are made of wood, obviously.
    – How do we tell if she is made of wood? THIS IS THE EVALUATION QUESTION.
    – Build a bridge out of her. But you can also build bridges out of stone, so that’s out.
    – Does wood sink in water? No, it floats. Throw her into the pond.
    – Wait, what also floats in water? Among other things, bread, apples, very small rocks, and churches.
    – The correct answer is a duck.
    – SOLUTION. Logically, if she weighs the same as a duck, she’s made of wood, and therefore a witch.

    Impeccable logic built on faulty information and a desired outcome. This is the kind of thinking going around all this CCA stuff, not to mention in politics and social media.

  27. Stephen says:

    Corby using the Holy Hand Grenade!!!

    Love.
    It.

  28. Muff Potter says:

    Is it any wonder why some folks outside of the bubble call it Chrislam?

  29. Xenia says:

    Why all the enthusiasm for a strong central leadership? Why the desire to adhere precisely to the leader’s theology? Why the desire to conitinue with leader’s traditions?

    If this is what they really want, they might as well become Roman Catholics.

  30. David H says:

    “She turned me into a newt!”

  31. JM says:

    Chuck was a charismatic guy–even when he was doing wrong–and Prasch is a loyalist who could never see the wrong even when it was right in front of him. (Prasch defended the way Chuck handled David Hocking even though it definitely paved the way for a lot of the immoral rot we are now seeing.) He like soooooooo many is as blind as a bat because of his idolatry.

  32. Disillusioned says:

    “I got better.”

  33. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Why does anyone care about Prasch? He is just one more guy with a webcam. Even Jackie distanced herself from him when I questioned her on the Calvin’s Corner thread.

    I think we alone keep him alive here.

    btw, when I watch him, he always reminds me of the guy who has his lunch spilled on his shirt.

  34. Kevin H says:

    I think Xenia hits on a significant ironic point at #29. This same group that decries Catholicism and denominationalism and sometimes Eastern Orthodox, too, now decries any supposed deviation from its founder and the way things are “supposed” to be done in a Calvary Chapel and wants to have ruling control through one central leadership (made up of just the one “Joshua” that Prasch speaks of or a very small group of men).

    Prasch said there should have been an appointed Joshua to continue to rule but says now that that didn’t happen, all the CC’s should become completely independent and adopt a leadership model of a plurality of elders. Ha! Don’t quite see that one ever happening.

  35. dusty says:

    Hi Angel voice!!! always good to see your smiling face!

  36. Erunner says:

    Michael, I understand how long this has been going on but it’s sad to read what you have described. In the midst of a chaotic time in our nation I would hope we could see the church coming together at some level that would glorify Jesus. I know that there are so many doing just that.

    I was over the exposing of everyone and everyone years ago. Yet we don’t seem to learn. BB doesn’t deserve this.

    Believers need to be built up. Those who are hurting need tending to. We don’t need this.

  37. CostcoCal says:

    MLD, per your #34….

    Because it’s entertaining! Lol

  38. Linnea says:

    Prasch isn’t calling for a Joshua, he’s calling for a king … 1 Samuel 8:7-8.

    This whole screaming fit over the leadership of Calvary Chapel reminds me of another hissy fit playing out since the election. It is what it is. Let’s move on.

  39. John 20:29 says:

    it seems to me this morning that Erunner and Linnea have a point, there’s a lot that needs tending to both in the Church and in our troubled world… saw a headline stating that some crazy celebrity or other is calling for the military to take out Trump – that became a legitimate news item? – like the guy who is the subject of this thread, isn’t it time for the adults to just call a halt to irresponsible grandstanders, call crazy for what it is and run the show again?

  40. filbertz says:

    Prasch-bash used to be one of my favorite PP things…now I can’t even watch him with the sound off. I must be slipping.

  41. PM says:

    Three words.

    Posture. Camera angle.

  42. Truth Lover says:

    MLD #21

    “Bill Johnson is the gateway drug to giving up your Christianity.”

    Amen. And is the gateway to New Age mysticism and demons.

  43. dusty says:

    Tl, what is?

  44. Donna says:

    Linnea re#39

    #notmycalvarychapel 🙂

  45. John 20:29 says:

    sitting here reading this thread brought back an early childhood memory… my grandparents had begun their ministry in the Holiness Movement early in the last century and later were early players in the founding of the Nazarene church… but even after they’d left the Holiness crowd, they’d have occasional guests from that era drop by and one fella, i swear his mother must have been frightened by a flea when she was carrying him, zeroed in on me and asked me if i wanted one of his pins that he only gave to special people – sure i’d take one, and he gave me a small brass screw with a ball attached and congratulated me on now being a bona fide member of the screwball club… :
    i was not happy with that honor, not one bit… looks like the club is still going strong, tho…
    🙂

  46. Linnea says:

    Donna…LOL

    John 20:29…love your screwball story!

  47. stephen says:

    Donna @45

    ROFL!!

    (Now I just need to not give into the temptation to use it on social media)

  48. Truth Lover says:

    Dusty #44 , MLD’s comment at #21

    “I can’t think of any Christian who could follow Bill Johnson and remain a Christian. Bill Johnson is the gateway drug to giving up your Christianity.”

    I agreed and added that Bethel Church is the gateway to New Age mysticism and demons.

    They are a part of the NAR movement. (New Apostolic Reformation) My friend’s daughter is caught up in it.

  49. Disillusioned says:

    The first thing the new worship leader did at our CC was to introduce several Jesus Culture songs; there was an admiration for Kim Walker as well. When I spoke up about it, the pastor told me to keep quiet and not say anything else about anything related to music choice. (I was still part of the worship team.) You can’t know how shocking this was since he was the one who warned against apostasy…

  50. Captain Kevin says:

    Honest question: Is it acceptable to sing worship songs by Jesus Culture or whatever other cult-ish groups are out there without the songs being associated with that group? I ask because our church (a CC) sings some of these, and they are wonderful and theologically sound. Also, no one ever brings up where the songs come from, who writes them, or whatever. We just use them because they’re great songs that help us express our adoration to God.

  51. Michael says:

    CK,

    Whenever some talks about anything being “a gate to New Age mysticism” or “apostasy,” I immediately want it. 🙂

    The guilt by association meme is getting old…if it’s good and theologically sound, have at it…

  52. Truth Lover says:

    As a worship leader myself, I do cringe at using any Jesus Culture songs. I carefully evaluate each song I choose to learn for the church. I honestly try NOT to use any song associated with Jesus Culture. BUT, if I find one that is theologically sound and I think ministers, I will use it. Sometimes they are not even written by the Jesus Culture artist but other artist. So when I post the CCLI information on the lyrics screen showing the author, I can honestly put a name not associated with it. Most of the time my song sources are from Reformed church camps.

  53. Disillusioned says:

    It was relevant at the time because the pastor had really been ranting about false teaching in the church (I know, shocking for a CC). As the former leader, I too was very careful with music selection. I felt responsible for what I was leading people to sing about.
    If you’ve never researched Bill Johnson/Jesus Culture, you should. This isn’t about slapping the word “apostasy” on someone for watching an R rated movie or not dressing up to code; it’s about embracing a spirit that is not from God. Their “fire tunnels” are enough to send me running…

  54. Michael says:

    I live three hours from Johnson’s church and have had to deal with the fruit of his nonsense personally.

    I don’t know that he’s apostate…certainly would call him and his teaching “aberrant”.

  55. Disillusioned says:

    I can hang with “abhorrent.” Lol. Fitting.

  56. Siegfried says:

    I like Prasch.

    Bethel Church –
    working crowds into altered states of consciousness, babbling nonsense as tongues, laying hands on and prophesying over Todd Bentley, Twice and once after his adulterous marriage,

    Dollar Store glitter as the Glory of God

    I would say apostate, false, aberrant.

  57. Cathy Bachand says:

    People can listen to Brian Broderson theirselves and make the proper judgement. Just by listening to his interview of Rick Warren should be enough. Why did he hang around if he was so bored and disenfranchised with Chuck’s methods? If he could no longer agree with the Church it was time for him to leave, not hang around like a buzzard waiting on Chuck to die so he could take over and change everything. His actions are affecting many people. He is going the way of the Ecumenicals. There can be no unity with false brethren. Don’t hold the faithful members of Calvary Chapel Churches in limbo. He wants to be like the modern day church of this world. Whoever wants to follow him let them follow him but don’t destroy the 50 year work of the Lord and try to persuade people to go with him.

  58. JM says:

    Cathy Bachand

    Brodersen is not solely responsible for destroying Calvary Chapel. ALL factions that remain of Calvary Chapel are being destroyed by their own ill-fated desire to not deal with sin in the camp. No one’s hands are clean.

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