The End of The Roys Report?

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  1. Dread says:

    I followed Julie closely for a while. Then her smug tone and absolutist tenor cooled my interest.

    She was not reasonable or compassionate. The old hellfire preachers had to be tempered. The exchange between a couple of puritan preachers is instructive.

    “What did you preach today?” Ah “the wicked shall be turned into hell and all those that forget God!” — Aye! “… and did you preach it with a tear?”

    Julie was too happy with the taste of blood for my for my comfort.

    I hope she survives — with a limp.

  2. Michael says:


    I’ve experienced the joy of the taste of blood…until it was my own .

    She needs to learn…

    The survivor community is just gutting itself on social media right now…

  3. Kevin H says:

    Two posts in less than 24 hours since saying you would go to a limited schedule and posts would become more sporadic.

    Glad that things are working out so well. 😛

  4. Michael says:


    The family is on the coast and I’m making the most of this rare break…one more coming before I rest…

  5. Linn says:

    Just like all of us, Julie R. has things to learn. I’ve been teaching 40 years, and I’m still learning about my kids and subject. But, the survivor community is just going crazy, re-posting the same screen shots over and over and screaming that Julie should disappear. They haven’t said anything new in two weeks about what they’ve already said. Meanwhile, Julie is still posting some good, well-researched information. My hope is that Julie becomes more discerning in her approach to reporting and that the survivors run out of steam/vitriol.

    As to impostors in the survivor community, all such communities have them (like the cancer survivors who actually never really had cancer, but still have GoFundMes sending them money). i thin, at some point, that all of these kinds of groups and ministries of survivors need to get past triggers and trauma onto thriving and overcoming. I attended a well-known group for relatives and friends of addicts for about a decade. Then, I started feeling uncomfortable because I wasn’t living in that same space anymore. I realized that the group had taught me excellent coping skills that helped me manage my life better. The last meeting I attended, a roomful of adults was blaming all of their current problems on their parents. I realized that wasn’t me anymore, and I have gone on to interact better with addicted members of my family without getting engulfed in their drama. I found my own life.

  6. Michael says:

    This needs answered…

  7. Linn says:

    Who is the person in the video?

  8. Dread says:


    She’s in a world of hurt.

  9. Michael says:


    He identifies himself in the beginning.

  10. Michael says:


    If she doesn’t have a reasonable answer…she’s toast.

  11. Em says:

    Pastor Dread @10:24
    Exactly! ! !

  12. Steve says:

    Julie has some great reporting but she definitely has a serious problem here. However, I’m actually more concerned about psychologist Diane Langberg Ph.D who is scheduled to speak at Julie restore conference. Diane has some good things to say and tweet but I wonder how she would react if the microscope was put on her personal life and practice? Diane is a so called expert on abuse in the church so how could anyone really question her? But I have questions and they have not been answered.

  13. Michael says:

    Diane Langberg is the best…what are your questions?

  14. Muff Potter says:

    The drama is so tawdry, so byzantine, it’s like a British tabloid.
    I’m happy in my little out of the way Lutheran parish.
    No drama, no scandal, no alpha males jockeying for power.
    Just liturgy, communion, a short homily, and then coffee and donuts with great people.
    End of story.

  15. Steve says:

    Michael, it is best to take this discussion about Diane Langberg offline because it involves personal information I have but I hesitate calling her the best by a long shot. She knows the power she holds and the question is whether she has ever abused it. All you have to do is read her book “Redeeming authority: understanding authority and abuse in the church” to understand the dynamic. She holds tremendous authority and power in the church but how did she exactly get to this place of prominence and how is she being held accountable? I don’t think you can exactly call July Roy’s her accountability buddy.

  16. bob1 says:

    Muff P, Sounds like a great church and situation
    Those things you mentioned is really what it’s all about.

  17. Steven says:

    hooo boyyy…thanks for that video, Michael.

    It’s hearing stuff like this that makes me just wanna get a plot of land somewhere out in the middle of nowhere and go be all Amish-like.

    But what’s this with Dallas Jenkins, exactly?

  18. Brandon says:

    Long time reader, very rare commenter. Roys posted a piece in response to the video that’s well worth a read. Personally I watched the video and couldn’t shake the feeling I was listening to an unreliable story teller (the way he addressed the camera I think led me to think this). Roys piece seems to explain it well though.

  19. Dread says:

    Well Julie — come post it here. We’d love to have you. And Michael is honorable to do it.

  20. Linn says:


    What Mike posted is well-worth reading. The people who are going after Julie are like sharks, devouring others and themselves with tweets and FB posts. I’m not saying that Julie didn’t make a mistake (why she ever put the whole saga in her book baffles me), but the reaction has been way over the top. If that’s a survivors network, I’m never signing up!

  21. Michael says:


    It’s a bit more complex than that…I’m in the process of deciding how much I want to get involved…

  22. Linn says:

    I’m sure it is, but it seems like the tweets, retweets, etc just make it worse. What I come away with is “I’m a victim and I can do no wrong. I can respond to you any way I feel like. And victimhood always gives me the moral high ground.”

    I don’t think that’s a good posture to take. I’ve had help in the past for some of my own trauma, but it made me more compassionate towards others.

  23. Dread says:


    I’ve no axe to grind with Julie. Let the merciful obtain mercy. Let her remember such things as she searches high and low for leaven in the body.

  24. Michael says:


    It has been very ugly on Twitter .

    Which is one of the reasons why I’m being very cautious about my own involvement.
    There is a point where if your pack goes about with the sword that you start cutting each other…

  25. Linn says:

    I agree in terms of involvement. I just read the stuff that gets posted and I’ve had enough.

  26. DavidP says:

    “Video has been removed by uploader” — Certainly not an admission of guilt, but good grief this is not a good look for many people.

    The “Church Abuse” circles on Twitter have been trending rather toxic in the past few years and it’s turned me off of a lot of the discourse. That’s honestly a tragedy, since it’s such a needed outlet — but watching the circular firing squad on Twitter has been illuminating. I don’t want to get cynical about ChurchToo but boy have various “advocates” made it difficult not to be. It sucks, especially since we need to take it seriously, and it’s clear some only take it seriously if it fits their narrative.

    Watching LGBT absolutists cozy up to Protesita cozy up to exvangelicals has been an interesting twist.

  27. Fed up says:

    It’s been a mess and there seems to be no way to stop it

  28. Michael says:

    “Watching LGBT absolutists cozy up to Protesita cozy up to exvangelicals has been an interesting twist.”

    It’s been weird and disheartening…

  29. Michael says:

    I’m pretty sure I’ve been doing this sort of reporting longer than anyone.

    For most of my time online the colleagues who came along acted collegially and did hold each other accountable.

    The difference is that we weren’t competing for clicks and ad dollars…

  30. Em says:

    Michael, I truly believe that what you’ve done on this site IS God’s will. We’ve had some very opportunist, manipulative shepherds in the past decade or so. There were always a few, but “touch not God’s annointed?”
    How about, “depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you!”

  31. Michael says:


    We tried…and I’m satisfied that we did what we could.

  32. Dread says:

    What does that 11:48am post mean?

    It sounds like another capitulation of ‘nice’ evangelicals to very anti Christian interests.

  33. Michael says:


    It means that the survivor/abuse media have taken on “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mantra to shoot at each other.

    It’s a bad scene…

  34. Steve says:

    Christians have been known for those that shoot their own wounded. That has been going on long before the ODMs were instituted or more recently the abuse advocate blogs started. I’ve been shot a few times metaphorically so I know what it’s like. I can’t help but believe this is an orchestrated plan of our real enemy the devil using the sin of willing participants to accomplish his goals. It seems as if exposing sin is one of the primary goals for all those entangled with this. It sounds righteous. I kind of bought into this for awhile but it doesn’t quite line up with what Jesus said about removing the log from our own eye first.

  35. Reuben says:

    Just chiming in. I have a few friends in the industry I work in that are staunchly livid at the “slander” against Johnny Mac. These are not even CC guys, in fact they have never heard of Calvary Chapel. They just spent decades listening to him and eventually holding him in that place of infallibility. I could not give a damn what people think of Roys, Mac needed to be called out of for one thing only, to watch Christians reject the “slander” outright for the same “touch not god’s anointed” mentality that permeates the vast majority of Christian culture. Celebrity “Trumps” reality.

  36. Em says:

    John MacAurther is IMNSHO a gifted teacher of Scripture, but none of us are above committing sins

  37. Officerhoppy says:

    Johnny Mac is a mean spirited mas as far as I am concerned. He constantly took shots at Chuck Smith…even just a week or so after he died. He’s a solid exegete but a not so nice man.

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