Praying…..perhaps the weight of what is going on, has hit him….. Lord protect our brother Tullian. Please send Your angels and your servants to minister to a broken brother.
I have no way of doing so, but yeah — someone call him ASAP.
(and pray for him and those hurt in this situation….and stay off Twitter if you ever want to think the best of humanity. Barring a few bright lights, it’s becoming a sick place amongst the ‘activist’ Christians of all sides.)
Fade to black is a horribly depressing song. He might want to put on some amazing grace instead.
These kind of life experiences are where God most often meets us and proves himself as our only hope and source of encouragement and forgiveness. No man can sink so low that God cannot reach him.
anyone who knows of this and thinks of themselves as among the Redeemed and isn’t praying for Tullian, needs a faith check, at the very least… i pray that the wonder and power of the Faith which Tullian has discovered will now overwhelm his mindset of weakness and failure – God didn’t task Tullian with bearing the Church on his shoulders, i pray he realizes there’s more walk to walk and more Christ to enjoy
I’ve been so sad over this all week. Angry at him, and hurting for him. Praying for him. Praying he will be embraced by the Lord’s grace and hope breaks through.
When I read this last night I wondered what the cryptic language meant… I wondered why MN was nervous. It completely eluded me that it might be what Erunner was suggesting. I simply didn’t get it. Fade to Black just meant shutting down production to me. It did not mean closing the set for good.
A few weeks ago a 69 year old pastor that once offered me a job took his own life. A few months previously he had overseen the funeral of a younger friend who had done the same thing. Both of these men were taken out by depression. A veteran pastor of 69? A man still active in ministry? A man with a long successful life of service? Yes, that is how deadly depression can be. It can make a man believe his life was a waste and that it is too late to rewrite the script. It is a malevolent sickness.
TT presided over the legacy of a giant. He has watched it all crumble to ashes. He is in a family where the patriarch is a great man of grace but the children seem so often to be focused on judging sin. He is known so much for grace and now stands in need.
My pastoral ministry is awash with disconnected souls desperately seeking connection at any cost. They are like waves of a restless sea crashing into the arms of whoever will catch them and discovering the rocks just beneath the surface. There is so much of it that I am ill. I am sad for Tullian, sad for Coral Ridge, sad for us, sad for the kingdom. It isn’t suppose to be like this among those with the new hearts. It isn’t suppose to be like this among people with God’s Spirit.
Something is wrong, and it is worse than we can admit.
MLD, i think that you are right to a degree, but is he tough? rebel nature and self indulgent do not equal tough
pray that this is a pride breaking process, pray for God to override a man’s natural bent once again… the last thing the Church needs now is another pragmatic, corporate minded for-the-good-of-the-company personality … but a real miracle of the power of grace for all to see would be good … real beauty for ashes
I hope Babs and MLD are correct. TT and his wife and family have been heavy on my heart. I pray that one day they will look back, together, and be able to declare “Oh, the Lord has done great things for our family!”
Nothing is impossible with God!
“…disconnected souls desperately seeking connection at any cost. They are like waves of a restless sea crashing into the arms of whoever will catch them and discovering the rocks just beneath the surface.”
moving word picture, worthy of silent consideration to let it sink in and call our hearts & motivations back to love
Maybe it’s because we claim to be a people who love and follow the Messiah of God, filled with His Spirit, clanging cymbals and eating a whole lot of pork.
Could it be we intellectually know His precepts of salvation and have hearts very far from Him? Do we really love Him or just what He can do for us?
I read this article last night…. and, while not making excuses for the man’s (or his wife’s) choices, I feel, from my own very personal experiences with my gifted-tho-flawed-ex, this is a legit, if only partial, explanation…. BTW, I am relieved to hear that TT is being helped, somehow.
“I am sad for Tullian, sad for Coral Ridge, sad for us, sad for the kingdom. It isn’t suppose to be like this among those with the new hearts. It isn’t suppose to be like this among people with God’s Spirit.”
Joining you all in prayer for TT, his wife, children, and the church body.
Im just going to say this, BD that was truly beautiful and so true, my first struggle has always been this, a soul. Do I have one and is it worth “saving”. The rest of the faith has sort of been a wash as of late because I cant get past that somewhere deep down.
Of course you have a soul. That is what makes you an individual. And of course yours is worth saving. Christ died for all souls and would still have done so if yours was the only one. If Christ thinks your soul is worth value to Him, what does it matter what anyone else thinks?
” If Christ thinks your soul is worth value to Him, what does it matter what anyone else thinks?” worth repeating … believe it … above all tangental doctrines believe this
I thought the same thing as MN and E-Runner. And while that thought may not be going through TT’s head, we still need to pray for him, his family, and the CR church.
I can tell you that the thoughts you think when contemplating suicide – if you start thinking that it makes sense in some weird way – that’s the time to really seek out help – right away.
I hope TT knows there are people out there that are praying for he and his wife, and their family. Yes, he can “fade out” of formal ministry, but never out of the love of God.
I am praying he and his wife will come to their senses and reconcile.
My husband and I know the pain of the same kind of infidelity, but we also know the incredible of joy of working through it and seeing the Lord heal broken hearts and restore a love that had died.
Today I look back and shudder at what we might have thrown away……I see our 3 children and their spouses, our 9 grandchildren, a love for one another that is sweeter than we could have dreamed. All by the grace of God.
Considering that we don’t often hear apologies from big-name leaders, this should at least be meaningful on some level.
A friend left a note on FB the other night and then attempted suicide. TT should be checked up on ASAP.
It is…but it’s a little worrisome as well.
Erunner,
That’s what I’m thinking…
This is a condensed version of what my friend posted. I hope he’s okay and gets the help he needs.
Praying…..perhaps the weight of what is going on, has hit him….. Lord protect our brother Tullian. Please send Your angels and your servants to minister to a broken brother.
I have no way of doing so, but yeah — someone call him ASAP.
(and pray for him and those hurt in this situation….and stay off Twitter if you ever want to think the best of humanity. Barring a few bright lights, it’s becoming a sick place amongst the ‘activist’ Christians of all sides.)
Fade to black is a horribly depressing song. He might want to put on some amazing grace instead.
These kind of life experiences are where God most often meets us and proves himself as our only hope and source of encouragement and forgiveness. No man can sink so low that God cannot reach him.
anyone who knows of this and thinks of themselves as among the Redeemed and isn’t praying for Tullian, needs a faith check, at the very least… i pray that the wonder and power of the Faith which Tullian has discovered will now overwhelm his mindset of weakness and failure – God didn’t task Tullian with bearing the Church on his shoulders, i pray he realizes there’s more walk to walk and more Christ to enjoy
amen to #8
Simply call the police department in the city he resides and they will make a safety check.
I’m relieved to report that actions are being taken to check on his well being.
Very thankful for the PhxP family…
Thank you for letting us know Michael.
I’ve been so sad over this all week. Angry at him, and hurting for him. Praying for him. Praying he will be embraced by the Lord’s grace and hope breaks through.
When I read this last night I wondered what the cryptic language meant… I wondered why MN was nervous. It completely eluded me that it might be what Erunner was suggesting. I simply didn’t get it. Fade to Black just meant shutting down production to me. It did not mean closing the set for good.
A few weeks ago a 69 year old pastor that once offered me a job took his own life. A few months previously he had overseen the funeral of a younger friend who had done the same thing. Both of these men were taken out by depression. A veteran pastor of 69? A man still active in ministry? A man with a long successful life of service? Yes, that is how deadly depression can be. It can make a man believe his life was a waste and that it is too late to rewrite the script. It is a malevolent sickness.
TT presided over the legacy of a giant. He has watched it all crumble to ashes. He is in a family where the patriarch is a great man of grace but the children seem so often to be focused on judging sin. He is known so much for grace and now stands in need.
My pastoral ministry is awash with disconnected souls desperately seeking connection at any cost. They are like waves of a restless sea crashing into the arms of whoever will catch them and discovering the rocks just beneath the surface. There is so much of it that I am ill. I am sad for Tullian, sad for Coral Ridge, sad for us, sad for the kingdom. It isn’t suppose to be like this among those with the new hearts. It isn’t suppose to be like this among people with God’s Spirit.
Something is wrong, and it is worse than we can admit.
I take the comment to be as Babs first said. Time to go dark and not live it out on twitter.
Tullian is a tough guy who has the legacy as the family bad boy
MLD, i think that you are right to a degree, but is he tough? rebel nature and self indulgent do not equal tough
pray that this is a pride breaking process, pray for God to override a man’s natural bent once again… the last thing the Church needs now is another pragmatic, corporate minded for-the-good-of-the-company personality … but a real miracle of the power of grace for all to see would be good … real beauty for ashes
IMHO, of course
Pastor Dread, you’re in my prayers
I hope Babs and MLD are correct. TT and his wife and family have been heavy on my heart. I pray that one day they will look back, together, and be able to declare “Oh, the Lord has done great things for our family!”
Nothing is impossible with God!
BD those are profound thoughts worthy of much contemplation
“…disconnected souls desperately seeking connection at any cost. They are like waves of a restless sea crashing into the arms of whoever will catch them and discovering the rocks just beneath the surface.”
moving word picture, worthy of silent consideration to let it sink in and call our hearts & motivations back to love
Thanks BD
MLD:
Maybe it’s because we claim to be a people who love and follow the Messiah of God, filled with His Spirit, clanging cymbals and eating a whole lot of pork.
Could it be we intellectually know His precepts of salvation and have hearts very far from Him? Do we really love Him or just what He can do for us?
Do we really love Him or just what He can do for us?
Peter had difficulty with this question.
I read this article last night…. and, while not making excuses for the man’s (or his wife’s) choices, I feel, from my own very personal experiences with my gifted-tho-flawed-ex, this is a legit, if only partial, explanation…. BTW, I am relieved to hear that TT is being helped, somehow.
http://www.fightingforthefaith.com/my-perspective-on-tullians-sin.html
MLD:
“Peter had difficulty with this question.”
Yes he did and very early in his ministry (like at a breakfast meeting) it was made quite clear he would be refined through the rest of his life.
Where’s the love, er or beef?
Babs @14…much to chew on.
“I am sad for Tullian, sad for Coral Ridge, sad for us, sad for the kingdom. It isn’t suppose to be like this among those with the new hearts. It isn’t suppose to be like this among people with God’s Spirit.”
Joining you all in prayer for TT, his wife, children, and the church body.
Im just going to say this, BD that was truly beautiful and so true, my first struggle has always been this, a soul. Do I have one and is it worth “saving”. The rest of the faith has sort of been a wash as of late because I cant get past that somewhere deep down.
Brian,
Of course you have a soul. That is what makes you an individual. And of course yours is worth saving. Christ died for all souls and would still have done so if yours was the only one. If Christ thinks your soul is worth value to Him, what does it matter what anyone else thinks?
” If Christ thinks your soul is worth value to Him, what does it matter what anyone else thinks?” worth repeating … believe it … above all tangental doctrines believe this
I thought the same thing as MN and E-Runner. And while that thought may not be going through TT’s head, we still need to pray for him, his family, and the CR church.
I can tell you that the thoughts you think when contemplating suicide – if you start thinking that it makes sense in some weird way – that’s the time to really seek out help – right away.
I hope TT knows there are people out there that are praying for he and his wife, and their family. Yes, he can “fade out” of formal ministry, but never out of the love of God.
I am praying he and his wife will come to their senses and reconcile.
My husband and I know the pain of the same kind of infidelity, but we also know the incredible of joy of working through it and seeing the Lord heal broken hearts and restore a love that had died.
Today I look back and shudder at what we might have thrown away……I see our 3 children and their spouses, our 9 grandchildren, a love for one another that is sweeter than we could have dreamed. All by the grace of God.