I Believe…: Duane W.H. Arnold, PhD

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  1. Michael says:

    As my focus has been narrowed by life the last few months, I placed my whole weight on my identity in the Creed…sometimes with a whisper, sometimes with hands balled into fists or a tear.
    This is where we all must come….

  2. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    If we don’t find our identity in the confession of our faith, we will find it in the false gods that surround us…

  3. BrideofChrist says:

    I am in Wisconsin as I write this, visiting my brother and my 94- year-old father. My father is still an intelligent and informed man at 94, praise God! I was baptised at a Lutheran Church here while visiting my grandparents as a baby. My grandmother gave me a Bible engraved with my name on it when I was only 8 years old it had beautiful pictures in it that I loved. I have never lived here in Wisconsin, only visited, but this is definitely where the roots of my own faith began. God bless our forefathers in faith. Rest up, Michael, we miss your insights and encouragement!

  4. Michael says:

    Thank you, BoC.
    Recovering a little bit every day…long way to go…

  5. Linn says:

    Great post, Duane. One of the joys of missionary life was running into so many that, although from different traditions, claimed the same confession of faith. I still continue to look for those like-minded believers with whom I can connect beyond the chaos of identity politics. I don’t think we’re going to be asked our party affiliation as we walk into heaven!

  6. Duane Arnold says:

    Linn

    Many thanks!

  7. bob1 says:

    I don’t think we’re going to be asked our party affiliation as we walk into heaven!

    Thanks be to God!

    To stay focused on the Creeds reminds me of a popular slogan during the first Civil Rights efforts:

    “Eyes on the Prize”

  8. Duane Arnold says:

    bob1

    As I understand it, we also won’t be asked our nationality… or our position on the millennium…

  9. bob1 says:

    Duane,

    Glorious to ponder…

    Vis-a-vis millennial stuff….I’ve always been a panmillennial.

    It’ll all pan out in the end. 🙂

  10. bob1 says:

    Michael,

    So happy to see that you’re back home and on here.

    Praying for you regularly.

  11. Em says:

    “It’ll all pan out im the end.”. 😉 amen
    A 1,000 year reign of Christ makes sense to me, but the question is, is that human viewpoint? Dunno

  12. Em says:

    Michael @ -6:17am….. Amen
    Continue to rest and pace yourself – granny says. 😇

  13. Steve says:

    Also, no one is going to be checking your melanin levels or genetic racial composition.

  14. Duane Arnold says:

    Steve

    I think that was said in the article… unless you are trying to make some special point.

    “This confession of faith extends to all nations, to all races, to rich and poor alike, to all “sorts and conditions” of men and women across the globe.”

  15. Michael says:

    bob1…thank you!
    I get up for a while, then lay back down…hopefully, soon I’ll be up more than down.

  16. Michael says:

    Steve,

    The point of the article is that kingdom people find their identity in kingdom things…not in unending knee jerk responses to the culture.
    I don’t know how people maintain this continual conflict inside themselves and outside with others that has nothing to do with the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ…

  17. Em says:

    Just heard that it is 110 degrees in Medford OR.
    Michael, are you able to escape the heat? ? ? Do you need an air conditioner?

  18. Michael says:

    Em,

    It topped off at 113 yesterday…108 at my house right now.
    Yes, I have air conditioning and it’s running full tilt right now!

  19. Xenia says:

    The fact is, there is very little I can do about the crazy ominous evil things that are happening all over the country/ world but I would never have known about them in the first place if it wasn’t for cable TV and the Internet. I have acquaintances/relatives that post the Gripe of the Day on their FB’s and Twitters and none of the things they complain about directly (or even indirectly, most often) affect them but it’s something they can get upset about, post about, and feel superior about. One relative, who prides himself on his intense Bible study, posted the other day that he’d let someone burn the US flag if in turn he could shoot them. What? This Christian person is willing, or at least happy to post, that they’d kill someone over a piece of cloth? They are always talking about their Rights but I think they should swap the Bill of Rights out for the Beatitudes, which say the opposite thing. Turn the other cheek, go the extra mile, etc.

    I am happy Michael is doing so well!

  20. Xenia says:

    It’s 60 degrees here on the coast in California. Maybe you could give us ten of your extra degrees of heat.

  21. Xenia says:

    It all boils down to a lack of gratitude for the good things God has given us. He said that if we had food and clothing (and I’d add shelter) we should be content. We, as Americans, are the richest (materially) that humans have ever been in the history of the world and we complain all the day long that we are offended, mistreated, and put-upon. We Americans are over-fed and over-entertained. We live like princes and princesses and gripe 24/7.

  22. Duane Arnold says:

    Xenia

    Some people treasure their rage as though it is a religious obligation. Everything becomes an excuse to express it…

  23. Michael says:

    Thank you, Xenia!

    I wish I could communicate the gravity that I believe this piece demands.
    A person whose identity is in the Creed will not have it grounded in any other trifling thing….to do so would be to whore out one’s mother.

  24. Em says:

    Dr. Duane, for the Muslims among us rage is an obligation, is it not?
    For the first 15 years of my life, i held the Christian God in contempt and had a temper that was impressive. Hearing a logical and touching presentation off of John 3:16, I, by God’s grace, realized how great His love was, asked forgiveness and joined the Presbyterian church. The first manifestation i had of the birth was that my temper just disappeared! Rage, for the most part, has no place in the life of a Christian – IMV! ! !
    While hating what God hates has merit. Vengeance belongs to God – period.

  25. Michael says:

    Every time we embark on a theological discussion, the first responses (and often the only responses) are not theological, but pitiful attempts at theologizing culture wars.

    This….is the first step toward apostasy.
    This is what happens when identity is not formed by the Creed, but by the whimpering, odorous fake that is the prevailing civic religion.

    It is idolatry and it ends in apostasy.

    We shall no longer allow our mother to be treated like a harlot…

  26. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    You are feeling better….

  27. Jean says:

    “We shall no longer allow our mother to be treated like a harlot…”

    At some point, a distinction must be made, between those bodies calling themselves a church and those bodies having the marks of the church. Without the marks of the church, we should not dignify the harlot with the name, church.

  28. Shawn says:

    Looks like Michael is feeling a bit feisty. Lol.

    This is one of the reasons I like reading this blog:

    This is what happens when identity is not formed by the Creed, but by the whimpering, odorous fake that is the prevailing civic religion.

    It is idolatry and it ends in apostasy.

    We shall no longer allow our mother to be treated like a harlot…

    Amen!

    You go Michael! Glad to see your spirit is undeterred by your physical state.

    -Duane great thoughts today. It inspired to 1) read the Creed again and 2) listen to John Michael Talbot’s Creed I & II. I love to crank his version way up, close my eyes, and bask in the glow of God’s splendor as revealed through the Creed.

  29. Steve says:

    Jean,. Can you explain to me your understanding of what all the marks of the church are? Are you equating the creeds with the marks? Or are the marks something else entirely?

  30. Duane Arnold says:

    “…one, holy, catholic and apostolic…” Classical definition of the marks of the Church.

  31. Steve says:

    Thanks Duane. So I can see where we fall short. We are unquestionably divided and definitely not holy. Seems more like an ideal than a practical reality. I still believe in the church but it seems more of a mystery to me than a human institution where we can slap a denomination name on it. But I’m a bit jaded.

  32. Jean says:

    Steve,

    “Can you explain to me your understanding of what all the marks of the church are?”

    Duane’s article focused on one part: The church has a heritage and continuity. That heritage and continuity is reflected in the Nicene Creed.

    The “oneness” of the church is color blind, non-nationalistic, non-ethnic and non-political.

    Secondly, the Creed confesses one Lord, Jesus Christ. The sole reason the Holy Spirit gathers the church is to hear from and receive from her Lord. In this hearing and receiving, the emphasis is on the Gospel. The law came through Moses, grace and truth through Jesus Christ. A true evangelical, is one who focuses on the Gospel.

    I could say more, but to allow for discussion, I will be content for now with this summary of the marks of the church.

  33. Duane Arnold says:

    Shawn

    Inspired me to get out JMT’s ‘The Lords’ Supper’… Still one of my favs.

  34. Shawn says:

    Duane- It is mine too. I also love his song about Holy Silence. I think it is on another album. By the way I’ve started reading Clement of Roman as I have a particular affinity with 1 Corinthians 13.

  35. Dan from Georgia says:

    Love that recording…The Lord’s Supper

  36. Duane Arnold says:

    Dan/Shawn

    The album was done here in Indianapolis…

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