Limited Inclusion…

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  1. Kevin H says:

    Hey, you forgot to get my blessing to write about a Philadelphia sports team before posting this. 🙂

  2. Kevin H says:

    Nonetheless, I totally agree.

    At the very least, the Flyers organization and Provorov’s head coach have supported Provorov’s decision and the way he went about it. I hope they don’t cave to continued pressure.

  3. Michael says:

    KevinH,

    My apologies…I assumed you wouldn’t want near this one… 🙂

    The team has done much better than the media…I’ll miss The Athletic at times…

  4. Dread says:

    The urge to force conformity is the essence of the fundamentalist spirit. Totalitarians never sleep unless it is to dream new ways to coerce recalcitrant wills.

  5. Jean says:

    FWIW,
    I blame the team most of all for politicizing the team and using the players to promote a political agenda. I ask: What the heck does hockey have to do with promoting a sexual agenda?

    I respect the player for staying true to his values, which he is at liberty to hold, and despise the voices which seek to harm his livelihood and reputation.

    The same type of behavior has been at work in some large church bodies. It begins with tolerance and ends with a take over.

  6. Steven says:

    Jean,

    As a hockey fan I’ve noticed it’s all about $$$. They wear the jerseys for warm up then go back and change into the real game jerseys for the game.

    Then the ones used for warm up get either auctioned or sold.

    All sports are getting political these days. In a real way, thery are also at the “mercy” of the conformity mob.

    No one is safe. And sorts are only about $$$: the more folk you don’t get mad at ya the better.

  7. Officerhoppy says:

    “Why would I bench him? Because of a decision he’s making on his beliefs and his religion? It turned out to be a great night for Pride night.”

    Flyers coach John Tortorella defended Ivan Provorov’s decision to sit out of the team’s warmups

    When Provorov was asked specifically about his decision. He said, “I respect everybody and I respect everybody’s choices,” he said. “My choice is to stay true to myself and my religion.”

    And to me, that’s the issue. We can respect other people’s decision, but you can’t demand that same individual to advocate a position that goes against their values.

  8. Nonnie says:

    Excellent article and comments!

  9. Michael says:

    Interesting turn of events…Provorov’s jersey has sold out online at both the NHL store and Fanatics…at about 200.00 bucks a piece.

    Hockey fans supporting him…the media may want to take note…

  10. Steven says:

    Thanks for that cowrie-up, Michael

  11. Em Wegemer says:

    Amy Grant is hosting her niece’s gay wedding!
    Guess she doesn’t read our Bible! ! ! 🤔

  12. Steven says:

    I meant “follow-up,” btw.

    (That was a weird misspell or autocorrect or whatever)

  13. Richard says:

    steven…..funny thing…..i read your comment and i was going to google the word cowrie. 🤪

  14. Michael says:

    It’s interesting and perhaps telling to me that there have been so many media articles shaming Provonov…but the comments have been mostly supportive on those articles.

    It’s one thing to comment…it’s entirely another to shell out 200 bucks as a show of support…

  15. Steven says:

    Richard: your comment piqued my curiosity so I googled it.

    It’s a real word!

    Michael, I hear ya. It’s not a bad thing to consider that the “never stop being outraged” crowd (which largely is limited to being, in effect, a keyboard warrior continues to rage on….

    …While the other camp simply silently goes on with their business while not getting all mixed up in yet another internet war that winds up wasting time?

    Instead, they show their support more tangibly (heck, I am far from a fan of the Flyers-on my top 5 list of least favorite teams, to be honest- but I m tempted to try to track a jersey down and shell put the $200).

    Over generalization, I know, but perhaps not exactly an unfair one.

    Could it be that, at least on this topic, more people decided to “shut up AND put up” for their beliefs?

  16. Steven says:

    Michael, I think I misunderstood you, in your previous post, about the comments of the articles. I took it as the comments were pro-article but I see now that they are really “pro-player.”

    My bad

  17. Michael says:

    Steve,

    There is a significant number of people who are not hateful or “homophobic”…they simply have a different belief system and are sick and tired of having this issue forced on them.

    Count me as one of them…

  18. Steven says:

    Michael: 100% in the same camp with you

  19. Kevin H says:

    Steven,

    Good comments except that one about the Flyers being on your top 5 least favorite teams. Now that is worthy of outrage! 😜

  20. Steven says:

    Kevin: based on previous “pro Philly “ from you, you actually came to mind as I was typing that, lol

  21. Officerhoppy says:

    Steven
    Two are in your camp

    Em
    It’s a tough decision on this issue when it comes to family. My guess is Amy reads the same bible as us but she wants to maintain a relationship with her niece to have input to her later on in her life. To do otherwise would be to completely alienate her and have no future input.

    There are those Christian’s that criticize me for playing music and bars. I was a pastor and they think I have “back-slid” into sin and debauchery.

    It’s not true. It’s fun but also a ministry. We end every session with Amazing Grace. People sing and then come talk to us. Many with stories of life failures and ostracism from their church. We get to not only speak love and forgiveness into their lives but to be the hands, feet, and voice of Christ to them.

    I am becoming more and more convinced that, at least among Evangelical churches, they have done much harm to people who struggle. We give grace to unbelievers, but withhold it from believers. They are “born again” and should know better!

    So while I don’t condone same sex marriages, i think i understand Amy’s intentions.

  22. Everstudy says:

    Re: “Good comments except that one about the Flyers being on your top 5 least favorite teams. Now that is worthy of outrage!”

    As a Penguins fan, the Flyers are No. 2 on my list of least favorite teams, Boston being No. 1

  23. Em Wegemer says:

    Officer Holly – your comment is food for thought – thanks

  24. Dan from Georgia says:

    Officer Hoppy, slightly off topic but I personally appreciate that you play in bars and clubs. What better opportunity to minister to people that need it, especially that you end your sets with Amazing Grace…that has absolutely got to disarm people and from you say, it does!

    Why can’t Christians have fun and minister at the same time? Geeze it boggles the mind that our own Savior modeled going to where people are at, and yet some get all huffy and puffy when we try to do the same.

    Also, been watching old Pat Metheny videos from “Letters From Home”…videos for “Slip Away” and “Dream of the Return” (fan videos for that one). Man, Lyle Mays was awesome!

  25. Officerhoppy says:

    Dan
    Thanks man! Pat and Lyle (RIP) are my go to musicians. Seen them perform several times. Amazing music.

  26. Officerhoppy says:

    Dan
    Thanks man! Pat and Lyle (RIP) are my go to musicians. Seen them perform several times. Amazing music.

    Appreciate your comments.

  27. Dan from Georgia says:

    I’ve seen Pat Metheny once (Pat Metheny trio). Awesome! Never got to see Lyle live, but I just love the way he plays..so fluid.

  28. Linn says:

    Officer Hoppy,

    Thirty years ago in an anonymous Bible college I attended there was a professor who went with a group of students to gay bars to talk about Jesus. There were many saved through that ministry.

    I’ve taught in secular schools for many years because it is a platform for ministry. It takes wisdom and prayer (for the wisdom), but I have had so many opportunities to share Jesus, with a few friends coming to faith or returning to church. It also allows me to affirm the faith of my Christian students.

    I think if Jesus were to come to earth today as the Incarnate Word, we would encounter Him in the very places we avoid, chatting about His Father.

  29. Officerhoppy says:

    Linn
    That’s fantastic! We need Christians in dark places. In our effort to remain “righteous” and “holy” and unsullied by the world, we congregate in Christian huddles, speak the same language, and isolate. I just don’t agree with that

    Btw, my wife is also a public school teacher. She retired and subbed for two years and went back to full time.

    Thanks for the support!

  30. pstrmike says:

    Speaking of trios…… although it’s been a few days now…..

    David Crosby….RIP

  31. Captain Kevin says:

    Linn: “I think if Jesus were to come to earth today as the Incarnate Word, we would encounter Him in the very places we avoid, chatting about His Father.”

    I’ll say the Amen!

  32. Nathan Priddis says:

    This story has nothing to do with religious beliefs or any other sort of Evangelical blather.

    An exact equivalent situation would be a…1930’s german citizen wearing or displaying symbols supportive of Jewish “inclusion “, while in a foreign country.

    Another would be an Iranian woman exposing her hair publicly, while in a foreign country.

    Governments have security services and facilities for this sort of problematic and ill-advised behavior.

    The stated “Russian Orthodox Faith” has nothing to do “Russian Orthodox Faith”. But, it is a very advisable combination of words to use in this sort of situation. Especially when followed by, ” no further comment”.

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