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  1. Erunner says:

    Thank you for the link concerning mental illness. I’ve been encouraged through the years as some attitudes have changed but it’s clear more work remains. One needs only think of the emotional trauma victims and first responders will face as a result of Hurricane Harvey.

  2. John 20:29 says:

    “don’t deport our next generation of leaders…” it’s time for a little rational thinking and action now – IMHO
    what seems to be missed in the understandable perhaps, emotional, knee-jerk reaction is that there is genuine concern that Obama set a precedent that could destroy our nation – not in his compassion for these “generation of leaders” who are rightly flumoxed by the whole mess, but rather in giving the President the right to make any law that suits him – good or bad – we need to focus on our do nothing, buck-passing Congress now… there is nothing that stops them from legislating (making laws) a way to full citizenship for these DACA immigrants

    they say that politics is the art of compromise and now we have a Congress that has defined ‘compromise’ as the art of smoke and mirrors vamp in place with all eyes on re-election… the cans they’re kicking are piling up in the road… or so it seems to me today

    pray for our government to bless and not curse us – it will make a difference – IMHO

  3. John 20:29 says:

    ” When problems downstream from Christ, even as they are logically related to Christ, take precedence over the simple death and resurrection of Christ, Tolstoy rightly laments that Hell is restored. We should forever be on guard against what is truly important and what is only secondary to the resurrection fact. Hell literally hangs in the balance.”

    the restoration of hell concludes with the above… i honestly didn’t get the author’s point and i don’t care enough to re-read him… was the death of Christ, His resurrection simple? on one level i guess, but… doesn’t all sound theology hang off of this?

  4. The New Victor says:

    The enneagram looks familiar… like the sefirot. (Does quick search) Indeed, there are books out there linking this to kabbalah. “Pay no heed to Jewish fables…”

    One would do better to find a good schema therapist to address childhood trauma rather than delving into the occult.

  5. Jean says:

    I acknowledge every one’s right to freedom of expression. Expressing mine, I find the Administration’s rescission of DACA to be hate speech, masquerading as constitutional adherence. Moreover, it preys on the vulnerable in our society to cater to a small political base.

  6. John 20:29 says:

    Jean, I’m breaking my vow to not type on this tablet anymore
    I don’t think you’re thinking straight because of your compassion for the victims in this issue…
    It will be to the discredit of our Congress, if a quick and compassionate law is not enacted…
    and this is a very important principle. at stake now…
    as I understand it – I don’t want to give any President the right bend the laws of the land, let alone legislate
    If you want to assign blame for this situation, wouldn’t it be more accurate to call it a failure of our government?I
    We seem to have turned over some rock of suppression that has released hatred all over the spectrum… I am certain that there are haters trying to climb on the bandwagon now and some hate immigrants, but that is not the core of the issue as I see ir… BTW – the rescission doesn’t enact until Feb. 2018 giving Congress time to do their duty… I think it’s time to turn the heat on your local elected Congresional reps
    At any rate, your love of your fellow man is right and admirable – just taking issue with the focus of so many like yourself now…
    God keep

  7. Xenia says:

    I agree with Jean.

  8. Dan from Georgia says:

    I personally don’t give a rats a#& what an Enneagram is. Just seems like another Evangelical fad that will find itself in the cut-out/discount bin of your now-defunct Christian bookstore in a year or two. I personally an enamored more with mathematical stuff like triple integrals, Jacobians, and vectors/tensors than with this stuff that purports to finally, FINALLY, have us all figured out.

    Math geek I hear….

  9. Xenia says:

    If Trump really cared about adhering to the Law he would not have pardoned Joe Arpaio.

  10. CostcoCal says:

    Xenia, you nitpick on the president! I say, cut him some slack and pray for him.

  11. Michael says:

    I’m with Xenia.

  12. CostcoCal says:

    I was a big Obama fan. I could have had made just as big a stink about him if I had wanted to.

  13. Xenia says:

    We do pray for him over here. Why would you think we don’t?

  14. CostcoCal says:

    I simply said pray for him. So keep it up! 🙂

  15. Xenia says:

    This Enneagram fad reminds me of the Four Temperaments nonsense that was popular in the Calvary Chapel world for years, maybe still is. Completely pagan. Our pastor had us fill out Temperament questionnaires on a regular basis. Mine never came out the same way twice. This is because they are bogus.

  16. Michael says:

    I have to pray for him…it’s part of the liturgy.
    There’s nothing in the liturgy that says I have to like him.

  17. John 20:29 says:

    Ahhh… Joe Arpiao… just one difference there… the President has the legal right to pardon the man…
    I have no problem whatsoever with the majority here hating that these children grew up here, innocent and trusting that their mainstreaming into the fibre of the nation meant that this IS their homeland, not do I see anything wrong with coming to their defense…
    what I cannot understand is why that isn’t moving anyone to pressure Congress to do what is right – pass the law that gives them a legal and uncomplicated right/choice to become citizens
    For my part I’ll take CostcoCal’s advice and pray for those in authority over us to do what is right … and I’ll pray for us all to get thru these troubled times safely and wiser

  18. CostcoCal says:

    You don’t have to like him. I bet he’s an unlikeable fella.

  19. John 20:29 says:

    it’s okay to say that one likes Obama’s public persona or to say that one can’t stand Trump’s public persona or vice versa 🙂 but… we don’t know the real man in either case… Obama might make a great next door neighbor and maybe Trump would also (dunno), but i’d bet money that either one of them would run you over if you got in the way of their ambitions… i must caution myself and my fellow Christians to go slow in slamming either one of them – we truly don’t know them, their motivations as God does…

    for me, again it’s amen to CostcoCal’s observation – what’s liking the man got to do with what we’re commanded as Christians to do in this regard, eh? at least we all seem in agreement on this…

    and i do pray for the Dreamers, it’s encouraging to see and to hear also that so many embrace Christ, God will honor their Faith

  20. Michael says:

    John 20:29,

    You are absolutely correct that Congress needs to pass real, just, and merciful, immigration reform.
    Obama completely dropped the ball on this issue and we need permanent law that takes care of the issue once and for all.

  21. bob1 says:

    This DACA ruling is evil and immoral.

    First they came for the immigrants…

  22. Duane Arnold says:

    On DACA

    Well, here’s something to think about. If the 800,000 Dreamers follow the standard religious pattern of other Hispanic immigrants as reported by PEW (… then it follows that:

    22% are Protestant – that is, 176,000

    Of those the majority (16% of the Hispanic immigrant totals) are Evangelicals.

    16% are Evangelical – that is, 128,000

    So, some of our brethren are rejoicing that 128,000 Evangelicals may be eligible for deportation to countries that they do not know.

  23. bob1 says:

    I sincerely hope the irony and hypocrisy of the current regime to cite DACA’s lack of constitutionality isn’t lost to anyone. We’re seeing the most lawless President in our country’s history right now.

  24. John 20:29 says:

    Bob1, I’m not the brightest bulb, but when someone asserts what you just did @23 im left confussed – what do you know that I’m missing?
    All I see is a really unconventional President, who is either clueless about the dignity of the office or a very damn-the-torpedoes, full speed ahead man – whether one agreed with the agenda or not ? ? ? ?

  25. Descended says:

    No one is going anywhere. All Trump is trying to do is leverage DACA to get his tax reform or wall through. I think he actually likes DACA, and is seeking to placate Dems and leftist/centrist RINO’s with legitimizing Obama’s executive order through the legislative process – trading their support for his wall for his support of DACA.

    It’s shoddy politicking, but that’s what he brings to the game. According to many, all anyone has to do is sit on their hands andwait till March … and this all blows over like a fart in the wind.

  26. Descended says:

    Preston Sprinkle seems to say that folks living in unrepentant homosexuality possess saving faith…

    Is this understanding of him mistaken?

  27. London says:

    I learned about the Ennergram over 20 years ago. I think we read some book as a “get to know you better” kind of activity at nurture group at church.
    It’s not a new thing. It’s been around quite a long time.

  28. Descended says:

    Okay so last comment tonight

    Sprinkle is off target. About the boy who wishes he were female, or the secretly lesbian pastor’s wife, outdated language, his affirmations… Repentance? Sheesh, for orthodoxy? The left loves to have the children pay for the sins of the fathers.

    Perhaps we should encourage folks who are struggling with same sex attraction or where they fit in the LGBTQ+ spectrum that the starting point, if indeed Christ is more than insurance, is that they are new creations in Christ. Perhaps wrestling with our faith, doing all to make certain our calling in Christ Jesus means coming to the conclusion we didn’t have any faith, or really answered the call to begin with?

    Btw, has Sprinkle forgotten that
    “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” ? Spiritually speaking, there is no gender in Christ. If your issue is centered around desires of your flesh or desiring someone else’s it is demonic, according to Paul.

    I have issues with Sprinkle’s issues!! =-O

  29. Kevin H says:


    “No one is going anywhere.” – We don’t know that and cannot say that. There is no guarantee that Congress will put something in place that will protect all (or even some) of these people before time runs out. You can make all the assumptions you want that it will all work out through the political game, but again, there is far from any guarantees that it will.

    “It’s shoddy politicking” – You’re dead right about that. And the collateral of the shoddy politicking is the lives of 800,000 people. It’s a sickening shame that politics are valued higher than the lives of real people.

  30. Descended says:


    The lives of 300 million are in the hands of self interested politicians at every moment of every day (case in point, Clinton and the North Korean appeasement, Obama and the Iranian appeasement) , so I don’t see why trying to use political capital in order to save a program he favors is treacherous behavior . Touch not those anointed SJW calves…

    Like I said, I think Trump likes DACA, I think he likes a lot of progressive ideas. I think he’s actually a progressive like Schwarzenegger or Bush who stumped on the Republican ticket.

  31. Steve says:

    The One new humanity sounds like what one of Brian McLaren’s student would write. I’m skeptical that this kind of utopia of humanity can be realized this side of heaven.

  32. Michael says:

    According to Trump Administration talking points, the Dreamers are urged to prepare to self deport.
    A lot of innocent people could be going somewhere.

  33. Anne says:

    31 so praying thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven is overly optimistic and foolishly unrealistic I suppose. I sadly & skeptically suspected as much as well. Yet many doubters and unbelievers still attempt to fight the good fight of peace, liberty and justice for all despite the seemingly overwhelming odds. It just seems like thr right thing to do especially in these dark times.

  34. Steve says:

    Anne, I think doing the right this is always good but doing it for the wrong reasons is what I have issues with. For instance, Muslims and Christians don’t worship the same God as some way try to convince us. If that creates tension in the home, maybe this is where Jesus said, “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” I may take some flack for saying this but what did Jesus mean when he said these words?

  35. John 20:29 says:

    “Thy kingdom come – Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven…” for years now to me that plea has been a call for a continuing daily presence of God’s kingdom here, leading up to the end of all this, the day when Christ returns and His will IS done on earth as it is in heaven
    is that doctrinally sound praying? dunno, but i know God knows what i’m praying for 🙂

    #32 – i heard this a.m. that it is the DHHS that has issued that directive… part of the game being played now? i wonder

    #34 – every immigrant that is here without the correct documentation and some who are “legal” are at the mercy of these gangs…
    a story told to me by a construction worker who is long time good friends with some of these fellas who work construction – “if they [mafia] tell us to do something we do it”… my friend joked, “so, if they told you to kill me, you’d do it?” … the reply was, “I’d have to or my family would pay.” of course, this doesn’t happen in most situations, but these folk are living between a rock and a hard place at best and we do need to address this underworld activity… but…
    not sure how or if it can be done in today’s world… it isn’t the same place that it was in my childhood in California when citizens of Mexico came up to do field labor legally and then return to their country with dollars to support their families
    this isn’t an easy thing to detangle, no matter how black and white the morality of it seems to be

  36. Descended says:


    IMO, It’s a ruse.

    From NYT:
    Just hours after the angry reaction to Mr. Trump’s decision, the president appeared to have second thoughts. In a late-evening tweet, Mr. Trump specifically called on Congress to “legalize DACA,” something his administration’s officials had declined to do earlier in the day.

  37. Descended says:

    What’s left to be seen now is this:

    Do progressives hate Trump more than they love Dreamers? Will they forego the opportunity to legislate DACA in order to torch the POTUS?

  38. Michael says:


    Immigration issues have been foremost in my thinking and studies over the last few years.
    I can assure you that even though some of us consider this president to be unworthy of the office we will support fair, just, and compassionate legislation to make permanent change.

    It won’t be just “progressives”… many conservative evangelicals have sent a letter to Washington supporting such as well.

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