Linkathon!

WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

for folks who haven’t kept up, the recycled content is revisiting in a substantially expanded form an anecdote from Driscoll’s 2008 book Death By Love that was in a 2005 sermon in which Driscoll said he prayed that someone who would not repent would die. Driscoll claimed in the sermon that the guy in question died of a sudden heart attack and took this to indicate God still kills people and that sometimes Mark Driscoll said he prays for it.

2008 was also the period in which Driscoll literally as well as figuratively demonized dissent against and distrust of the policies and actions taken by the then executive elders of Mars Hill. Since Driscoll hasn’t been bringing back stuff from his 2005 Genesis series yet, it seemed necessary to keep material available for public consideration. If in his forthcoming Charisma House era he may become a charismatic, without the seatbelt he said he had before, it might be worthwhile to know some of the stuff he was saying back when he said he “was” a “charismatic with a seatbelt”.

JoelG says:

“The weak lead us to reality…”

Excellent… I hope the documentary becomes widely available for all to see.

Babylon's Dread says:

OK I see the connection

The mistake connected me to an old college acquaintance. Not sure how that will go.

Babylon's Dread says:

Turek would be well served to read NT Wright on the resurrection. Wrights treatment doesn’t fit in a blog space but …

I’m not at all sure what I think of the Ortberg/Hybels mess. I don’t believe everything I hear, or see for that matter. We may be heading into a time where public male/female relationships are more fundamentally governed than the fundamentalist ever attempted. Ironies abound.

I have been arguing that Jesus wasn’t nice since I first encounter old style liberalism in college. Thanks Steve Brown for the catalogue. I am certain that the crowd who says we love Jesus, but may he save us from his followers, never met the real Jesus.

Jerod says:

Then again maybe Chan has been hanging out with the n a r camp for so long he now thinks himself a king of the mountains?

Babylon's Dread says:

I do love NT Wright but his Easter meditation had little light on the subject of atonement. I get the message of the powers of darkness being overthrown but nothing about how the cross accomplishes that is evident.

I remain content that a broken covenant brought the sentence of death and a self-sacrificing God took the matter upon himself. It cannot be avoided that in Genesis death is the result of sin. It cannot be avoided that His own death is a substitute for ours. It cannot be avoided that His victory over death assures ours.

Caricaturing the picture to make it sound pagan does nothing to clarify why substitution is wrong. An angry God is not punishing his son in a fit of rage. A gracious God is sacrificing himself to rescue us from a mess we could not resolve. Too much angst over this subject has risen recently.

John 20:29 says:

Can we call Pastor Dread our venerable bd? ?

Steve says:

As for me, I’ll keep studying my Bible, but I keep on sensing that some academics spend more time thinking about their thinking than what the scripture says, to my mind, pretty clearly:

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Galatians 3:13
Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us–for it is written, “CURSED IS EVERYONE WHO HANGS ON A TREE”–

Isaiah 53:5-6
But He was pierced through for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him, And by His scourging we are healed.

Hebrews 7:27
who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

Leviticus 17:11
‘For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls; for it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement.’

Romans 3:25
whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed;

Etc. Etc. Etc.

Not to mention the fact that all the sacrificial aspects of the Old Testament don’t make much sense to me if it’s not about “substitution”. Unless of course we’re going to start saying the Passover was a pagan concept that the Israelites borrowed too.