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  1. DavidM says:

    I also get a lot of notices about the film, probably because I was there at that time. But with you, you may not care, but I am guessing that those who send the notices mean well.

  2. Em wWegemer says:

    Lots of ponders in this list…. seems to me that it calls for an understanding of the Bible
    Dunno, though do i?

  3. Michael says:

    David,

    I’m sure most of them do.
    One of my big regrets with regard to this site is that Tom Stipe and I had planned top do an oral history of the this time from his perspective and that of his co-workers…it never happened, but it would have been a different recollection than this film will present…

  4. STEVEN says:

    Regarding #1. I don’t care, either but trying to not put myself in the place where I have to say why I won’t see it.

    The reason: I’ve never been into “chick worship” and really don’t want to see it. I was force fed this story ever since I was saved through CC and have no desire to hear it yet again.

    Chuck smith wouldn’t have approved, anyway.

  5. Kevin H says:

    What I really want to know is why does Lonnie Frisbee look so much like Jesus? 🙂 🙂

  6. Michael says:

    Kevin H,

    Wrong skin color…

  7. Kevin H says:

    Michael,

    You apparently haven’t watched The Chosen, otherwise you would recognize the striking resemblance. 🙂

  8. Kevin H says:

    So the SBC disfellowshipped Saddleback and four other churches for having women pastors and disfellowshipped one for sexual abuse indiscretions.

    I wonder how that ratio matches up with the national ratio of how many SBC churches have women pastors versus how many have committed, covered up, or wrongly handled sex abuse situations?

  9. Michael says:

    KevinH,

    The SBC has its priorities…

  10. DavidM says:

    Michael, your planned colab with Tom Stipe would have been extremely interesting. Too bad it never materialized. I fear this movie will sanitize a lot of what happened back then and will end with a Greg Laurie invitation. I hope I’m wrong. My teenage granddaughters want to see it because they have heard all about the movement. So, we’ll take them on Thursday night and then discuss it afterward.

  11. Michael says:

    DavidM,

    I’d watch it with you…and I wish Tom were here to see it as well.

  12. Officerhoppy says:

    Regarding the tune by JB, and the question is the song was about God or dating, I was reminded of a worship tune that came out a few years ago where the lyric went, “I’m desperate for you, and I am lost without you”

    I dunno, it sounded like a song written by a girl about her boyfriend. When it got no traction in the secular world some of the words were changed and made into a worship song.

  13. Nonnie says:

    Officer Hop! Yes, I remember that song. A friend of mine even told me about a ministry trip she was on and a woman sat, legs crossed, on top of a grand piano in a hotel banquet room, whilst someone played and she and sang that song. My friend told me that it was very much a song that sounded like a woman singing over her lover…very sensual. She said it gave her the creeps.

  14. Dread says:

    Isn’t the question about God’s will and healing the same as the question of whether it’s always his will to save? Seems to me they could have the same answer and the same outcome.

    A sharper theological question is whether healing is in the atonement.

    Seems to me there is room to say yes and deal with the same anomalous outcomes.

    Appointed to die

    Dread

  15. Michael says:

    Dread,

    This is another theological argument that is pointless to me these days.

    Few people are ever healed by prayer alone.
    Everyone dies.

    This is one we actually have too much experiential evidence to ignore.

  16. Eric says:

    And I……. I’m desperate for you
    And I……. will always love yoooou
    Just realised how similar those two are. I don’t know whether the latter inspired the former, but there are certainly examples of worship songs clearly inspired by pop songs.

  17. Tarcisius says:

    Though I was brought to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ listening to Raul Ries many years ago, and had a powerful experience with the Holy Spirit reading Greg Laurie’s Ben the New Believers tract a few weeks later, I won’t be seeing this movie. Spent years in CC but long ago soured on the structure and those two guys.
    Also the movie is preaching to the choir and is a bit self serving, highlighting Laurie quit a bit I gather.

    Guess I’m cynical. But why make what is basically a documentary on the CC era/movement. Unbelievers are not going to go to the movie. So it’s hardly a witness tool. Most churchy people already know the story, and CC folks have heard it all before.

  18. bob1 says:

    This is one we actually have too much experiential evidence to ignore.

    Michael,

    Exactly. You were commenting about death and how few people
    are healed through prayer.

    I was reminded of this as I was looking through Philip Yancey’s latest
    blog post about his Parkinson’s diagnosis. I had to stop reading them
    because they were so heartfelt and touching. He just posted this yesterday and already nearly 200 folks have written in to comment on their own experiences with PD, etc. This is how we encourage each
    other on this journey!

    https://philipyancey.com/dislabeled

  19. Officerhoppy says:

    I’m going to the movie tomorrow. I’ll make my comments until after the preview.

  20. Michael says:

    I solve the theological conundrum by thinking God heals everyone eventually and may well save everyone as well…but that doesn’t fit the standard boxes…

  21. Alan says:

    If God saves everyone I promise not to complain… too loudly

  22. Alan says:

    So said Dread

  23. Michael says:

    Dread,

    It’s not done without a refiners fire and justice…

  24. Josh says:

    I thought the movie looked interesting. Curious if it will be as low quality as most Christian movies.

  25. Alan says:

    Loved the movie. Told from the perspective of Greg Laurie’s personal story the movie has all the elements of a realistic depiction; the spirit of the times, the Time magazine article writer, the Pirate’s Cove mass baptism; the tent; the tension of Chuck and his church; Lonnie’s ego and falling out with Chuck, crisis and resolution, hope and despair, Love Song and a nicely woven story of an awakening that changed the nation.

    This is our story…

    I know this history from outside but pretty well. My conversion was 1800 miles away and there were no real hippies in Mississippi but it was the same Spirit. It was our story too. God’s forever, flawed family.

  26. Alan says:

    Beth Moore named her father as her abuser. She aLao exposes the hypocrisy of championing a man (Trump) who claimed his status empowered him to abuse at will. That was pretty much his own words.

    She occupied a space in the SBC in which her anointing shielded her from censure. All denominations have such women. She rose to a place in which she spoke as a prophet to the principalities. Good for her.

    I’ll read her book. Another chapter of the Forever Family’s flaws. God help us.

  27. Michael says:

    I love Beth Moore …she has become someone I revere as I revered Packer.
    The Calvary Chapel movie is bringing out my worst traits and until they settle, I should probably shut the hell up…

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