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  1. Nonnie says:

    The 10 reasons….missionary article is very good.

  2. Michael says:

    I didn’t realize I had published this…today is not my best.

  3. “We have a group that we are journeying with. There’s no building. We’re churching all the time. It’s more of a verb for us.”

    :: “Churching” ::

    That’s awesome!

  4. I just read the Rob Bell article and followed a link to a book he and his wife are peddling – ” The Zimzum of Love: A New Way of Understanding Marriage ”

    These folks are so full of crap in everything thing they touch …but people will buy it up and once again, they will turn crap into gold.

  5. I like where’s Rob is going. Us – not us and them.

  6. Ixtlan says:

    aaah, the Greg Laurie of old……

    “It would appear to me that God is waiting for that last person to believe and then rapture of the church happens and then it would seem to me looking at the big picture prophetically that these events that we’re talking about today will start to fall into place,”

    Is it just me, or does that soteriological description sound like it could fit into a Reformed construction? Now granted, Laurie is just parroting that line from a host of pre-trib speakers, but I wonder if any of them ever stopped to consider what they are implying with the idea that God is waiting for that last person? Is it that there is limited seating in heaven, or is it because God has predetermined?

  7. erunner says:

    What became of the ebola crisis??

  8. erunner,
    Clear thinking & science prevailed over hysteria.

    Here’s a great resource…

  9. brian says:

    That “Pastor” would not have a memorial service for 93 year old women who was in a coma so she did not tithe. Talk about hubris and arrogance, you sort of have to admire that as reaching a new low.

  10. brian says:

    “These folks are so full of crap in everything thing they touch …”

    MLD please tell us how you really feel 🙂

  11. Francisco Nunez says:

    The “Danger of Christian celebrity” article is pretty compelling.

  12. brian says:

    “Greg Laurie: No Question These Are the End Times; America’s Role as Superpower Will Diminish as New World Order Forms”

    GAG and these people actually do this for a living? I am so utterly sick of this end time nonsense. I know so many people who have had their hearts crushed by these types of guesses, I have more respect for a Astrologiest or tarot card reader.

  13. erunner says:

    Thanks g. The media really went overboard and created a lot of issues with their 24/7 coverage. Now, nary a word.

  14. Xenia says:

    Good grief, Brian. While these people may be overly fixated on a certain aspect of theology they are still brothers and sisters in the Lord.

  15. Jean says:

    I could have easily and guilt-free passed over the 7th link on Rob Bell, **but for MLD’s #5**, which of course peaked my interest. I mean, if MLD hated it, then, well, there must be something there, right? So, I read the link, and the link within the link, and have the following review:

    In the two interviews with Bell, there is of course the *good*, the *bad* and the *ugly*. I have quoted below from what I consider the *good*, which is IMO **praise worthy**. The quotes don’t require additional explanation, so I include them without commentary, but will respond to any questions.

    The *bad* is that, Bell and his wife, Kristen, appear to embrace (and perhaps at the extreme end of the spectrum, along with guys like John Eldridge) the “Jesus in my heart” individual spirituality that seems to be increasingly prevalent in America. As a Wesleyan, I am firmly in the camp of those who believe that that Christianity is as much a corporate religion as it is an individual religion.

    The *ugly” is that Bell and Kristen embrace same-sex marriage. There are two problems with their view of marriage: (1) they apparently believe there is virtue in any two people committing to each other in a life long sexual union *independent of gender*; and (2) they apparently do not believe that Scripture is authoritative for defining sin. I won’t dig into each of these fallacies unless there is someone here who agrees with Bell and would like to dig into the issue in a deeper manner.

    This leads me to my last point: Along with Romans, if a Christian was going to be trapped on a desert island and could bring with him/her only one other book of the Bible, I would ask for Genesis. I have been spending a disproportionate amount of my recent Bible Study on Genesis 1-4. It is incredible symbolic and I believe of immense value to understanding the past, present and future of the Christian. If you’ve never dug into Genesis 1-4, I enthusiastically (there I go again using a Lutheran “no-no word”; sorry MLD) recommend it. I bring this up in this comment, because Genesis 1-3 deal with marriage, among many other issues.

    From the interview: What ever happened to Rob Bell…

    “We have a little tribe of friends,” Bell said. “We have a group that we are journeying with. There’s no building. We’re churching all the time. It’s more of a verb for us.”

    He’s still a fan of churches — depending on the context.

    “Churches can be places that help people grow and help people connect with others and help people connect with the great issues of our day,” Bell said. “They can also be toxic, black holes of despair. My thinking is, it depends on where you are in your life. One of the most extraordinary things I’ve done since I left Mars Hill is be with people and engage with people who would never step foot in a church.”

    From the link on Bell and his wife, Kristen, share new view on marriage:

    “One of the powerful things about zimzum is returning to your intention. When your marriage is built on the foundation of desire for the other’s wellbeing and you can remind each other of that, it creates a safe, non-defensive place for you to be honest about what isn’t working. Often we get in downward spirals of keeping score of who has done and given more and who is not doing their part or loving well. In this defensive pattern, we can’t get anywhere. We call it throwing out the scorecard. When we move toward each other in love and a desire for their best, it opens up possibilities.”

  16. Come on – Mark Driscoll and his wife write a marriage book – so now Rob and the little woman need to write one also.

    What do they have to offer about marriage? Oh, now she is finally going to be liberated so that she can flourish … what the heck is that crap? I think Oprah is the ghost writer.

    Jean – enthusiasm isn’t what you think it is except in it’s 16th century use. Today it’s a combination John Wimber and Benny Hinn.

    Enthusiastic is something else.

  17. Jean says:


    What do you have against flourishing? Would you prefer this man’s motto:

    “Every rose has a thorn; every cowboy has a sad sad song”?

  18. Whatever happened to sacrifice and giving?

    Let me know how you like the book when you get it. 🙂

  19. Jean says:

    Some people might enjoy the marriage books. They might re-kindle the days when paradise was by the dashboard light 🙂

  20. E says:

    Rob seems to be serving the apostate message quite readily. Scripture admonishes use to help the morally fallen and restore such a one. But when it comes to the messenger who peddles doctrines of demons to those who have itching ears. I don’t see any NT scripture where the Apostles take a soft approach. But rather a separation from someone who calls who calls himself a brother yet promotes heresies.

  21. Babylon's Dread says:

    Michael Sams says he is not in the NFL because he is gay…
    1- How does he know
    2- If he had not told the world the NFL did not have to know…He told them as a preemptive excuse. Lame.
    3-I think it is because he is black… in other words he is an IDIOT

    I agree Greg is in his last days.
    Rob Bell is not my responsibility I don’t know where he went.
    i advocated losing civil marriage a couple years ago… good bye

    Wartburg Watch just plain sucked.

    Obama has become a joke…

    Holder is worse

  22. brian says:

    Your right Xenia my apologies to the group and to Mr. Laurie my words were hurtful and uncalled for.

  23. Steve Wright says:

    Whatever trailblazing the homosexual community thought Michael Sam was doing, it will all be reversed if he keeps yapping and playing the persecuted victim card.

    Of course, since in the industry few will dare risk their jobs by speaking out against his latest, he may get his Wheaties box yet.

    But anyone and everyone who knows the NFL, knows the guy does not have the talent to make it. He got not one but two chances – and as we all know, the NFL will find a spot for you if you hit your wife, fight dogs to the death, use drugs, beat children…as long as you can play.

    Sam can’t. Many said last summer he likely would not even get drafted and the fact he at least did in a later round speaks to homosexual advocacy and giving the guy a chance…not persecution

    He joins the thousands each year that play good at college but no pro, the hundreds each year that are briefly on a roster but get cut. He just got a lot of press because he is a homosexual experiencing these things…and for absolutely no other reason.

    Now…if anyone in the homosexual community, dared write something similar to the above, it would be refreshing.

  24. brian says:

    Pastor Wright there is a key factor you leave out, it is a critical factor, in fact it is the only factor worth mentioning, economics, revenue, cash, etc. Money is always and I mean always the central theme in every single transaction that takes place in the modern industry, be it sports or religion. One thing that always bothered me, and this shows what an utter wimp and “blank” I am are the severe physical traumas people suffer in their effort to reach professional status. Because professional sports generates so many tens of millions etc, if a few hundred kids get injured permanently that has, and always should have no meaning. At all ever.

    Never quite got all the bugaboo macho clap trap about people who are gay, I mean one just needs to study Greece and the first olympians. Gay people have been around for a long time, and even longer and in many other species. I am sorry if that sounds callous, I just think this entire gay scare is rather silly. Of course people play the persecution card, the evangelical church does it on a daily basis when there is push back to much of their political nonsense. I have asked this before, name one, just one normal hedrosexual relationship spoken about in the bible as the modern evangelical church defines it. That would help me a great deal. Thanks.

  25. David says:

    Charisma posting about the Dangers of Christian Celebrity is like Bravo and TLC making a documentary about the ill effects of reality TV.

  26. “name one, just one normal hedrosexual relationship spoken about in the bible as the modern evangelical church defines it.”

    Adam & Eve – Wow, I didn’t need to go very far to find that one.

  27. “as the modern evangelical church defines it. ”

    That’s the part I don’t understand? I could name dozens of hetersexual realtionships in the Bible just off the top of my head, but I’m guessing you mean something different?

    David – EXACTLY!

  28. Steve Wright says:

    Pastor Wright there is a key factor you leave out, it is a critical factor, in fact it is the only factor worth mentioning, economics, revenue, cash, etc
    Ummm…that was implied, Brian in my comment about if the guy could play, thus help win games, thus help make the playoffs, thus help fill the stadium, sell merchandise and so forth.

    And if you looked a little, you would find Sam’s drafting MADE money, not cost it. – Your assumption to the contrary is in error….

    (The seventh round draft pick was second to Johnny Manziel in rookie jersey sales on draft weekend outselling the top five picks. Sam’s pro career is not even guaranteed yet, and fans are showing their support and enthusiasm.

    By draft’s end, these rookies were already making an impact on ticket prices on the secondary market. The average price of St. Louis Rams tickets hours before the draft was $138, $11 less than it had been when the 2014 NFL schedule was released. Following the first day of the draft in which the Rams picked up both Robinson and Donald, the average price of Rams tickets on the secondary market surprisingly saw a 4 percent drop (avg. $133). It wasn’t until the Monday after the draft that the average prices rose to $161, a 16.5% jump since the draft began. Last year at this time, St. Louis Rams tickets averaged $135 and were sixth cheapest in the NFL. )

  29. I did not know there was a Relevance vs. Obedience debate.

  30. pslady says:

    “No tithe, No burial”…wow—just WOW!

  31. brian says:

    I dont know if it is an error my poorly worded point is that the single most important aspect of most “deals” be them sports or some faith groups, not all, not even a majority, is economic. As it should be.

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