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  1. Jim says:

    [sigh] eed.

  2. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I agree with Curt Schillings thoughts on the topic, but if I was ESPN I too would have fired him. In a personality driven business like sports, a company does not need the non sports grief.
    If anything he should have been fired for being an idiot who does not learn from past errors – this is like the 3rd or 4th time he has done this.

  3. JoelG says:

    Target solution: Hold it until you get home. Besides, if there’s a dudes in a dress, wouldn’t it be better for him to be in with the girls rather than the boys? A little snark there, but, if the guy’s in a dress I’m thinking he’s not interested in women. Just pondering lol.

  4. Michael says:


    I was a manager for Montgomery Ward back in the day.
    We had problems way back then with people who wanted to do weird stuff in the bathrooms and dressing rooms.

    The two gender bathroom system has served us well…as has recognizing that most people fall into one of those two categories.

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Perhaps we should not identify the restrooms Men or Women.
    At Lake Havasu I have seen a couple at the marina’s and dock areas labeled Outboards and Inboards.

    That should settle it. πŸ™‚

  6. dswoager says:

    Was thinking about maybe trying to get a prize together for the first person who can find me an example of someone getting beaten up on the Internet for using the slippery slope argument with the phrase, “the next thing you’re going to want to do is let men use the ladies room”.

  7. JoelG says:

    We can see where this is going. Someday it will be law and churches will be forced to comply or else.

  8. Nonnie says:

    “This has nothing to do with my faith, it has everything to do with moral and cultural sanity.

    It has nothing to do with Leviticus or Romans, but everything to do with common sense and decency.”


  9. Em again says:

    seems like the logical solution would be 3 categories of restrooms (funny name when you think about it): men – women – transgenders … if they’re so darn proud of themselves, they surely couldn’t object to getting special recognition

    what happens if i come out of the ladies’ room yelling there’s a man in there? do i go to jail?

    “….. it has everything to do with moral and cultural sanity.” amen…

    we had to kill a deer today; it had a broken leg and was dying in our yard… first called the State and they said, “Your yard, your problem.” We could shoot it or just let it die a slow painful death – either way we have to dispose of the carcass ourselves, can’t eat it. Now if we’d drug the poor thing 200′ out to the road, the State would have taken care of it… we are governed by the mentally deficient, i’m sure of it.

  10. dswoager says:

    Btw, I have to say I was way more surprised about the Shaw suspension than Schilling being fired. For one, Schilling seemed to have the attitude of, “I’m going to be me, I don’t much care if you fire me for it”. Being suspended a playoff game is pretty huge though. Most people assumed the reason Duncan Keith only got six games, was that one of them was a playoff game… the assumption being that he normally would have gotten 10. Do the math, that’s a five game suspension for using a culturally inappropriate swear word.

  11. Em again says:

    we had drug or we had dragged? πŸ™‚

  12. Kevin H says:

    Darn, you beat me to it on the transgendered topic. It was what I was thinking through for a possible article next week. Probably would be too much repeat of thoughts if I did it now.

    I don’t know how you come up with several articles a week. Hard enough for me to do one. I’m glad I don’t do this for a living. I’d be long dead by now due to insufficient levels of generated work. πŸ™‚

  13. Michael says:


    Go ahead and write it up…I think it worthwhile.
    I write a lot, but most of it isn’t worth paying for… πŸ™‚

  14. JoelG says:

    Why not Kevin H.? You’ve taken on other light topics like politics and booze. Why not transgender? πŸ™‚

  15. Kevin H says:

    I don’t know, you already stole too many of my good points. πŸ™‚

    We’ll see. Maybe I can come up with enough other angles. If not, maybe I can write about drinking again. πŸ™‚

  16. Cash says:

    I was at an event recently where there was a huge line for the ladies’ bathroom and a much shorter one for the men’s. When I got to the door, a woman came out of the men’s room loudly proclaiming she didn’t care because she had to go. It was…uncomfortable.

  17. dswoager says:

    KevinH, if you are open to suggestions, we get a lot of the “protect our women and children” and “what is this world coming to”, but if you had any insights on balancing that with the aspect that there are real lost people that are separate from the agenda that is being pushed, I would have some interest in what you have to say.

    My personal reactions generally are in the area of disgust and outrage (especially when it comes to kids and learning mindsets on the latter… To be honest), but these people are certainly no less in need of the gospel.

  18. JoelG says:

    Dswoager, here in the Portland area we have our own transgender minister preaching the gospel to this community.


  19. Kevin H says:


    Thanks for the input. That aspect had also been in my thoughts and I probably would have touched on it. I don’t think I’m qualified or have enough insight to write a whole article on it, though.

  20. Paige says:

    #5 “Outboards and Inboards” Bahahahahaha! Perfect.

    Michael’s comment ‘his dress may fit better’. hahahhaha

    Good laughs over a grievous subject. Long ago, a pragmatic friend of mine stated “Pull down your underwear. I’ll tell you what you are”…. Settles it for me.
    I might be slightly crude if ever asked for my opinion.

    Outboards and Inboards works tho.

  21. Michael says:

    I’ve been offended.

    I think a boycott is in order.

    I’m being discriminated against…again.

    Yes, once again Wal-Mart has put the cans of “Mariners Catch” cat food on the top shelf.

    I can’t reach the top shelf.

    I’m short.

    However, I believe I’m tall and want to be tall and I really want to be able to reach the cat food that my cat desires.

    Therefore, I demand that Wal-Mart remove all top shelves in all stores and keep everything within the reach of short people who think they’re tall but they’re not because it’s my right to be tall as I want to be even if I’m not and you should accommodate what I want to be even if I’m not really that.

    If Wal-Mart will not remove all the top shelves, then I will pursue legal action.

    This is discrimination at it’s worst for those of us who are height challenged except in our minds.

  22. Em again says:

    #s 5 & 20 … inboards and outboards is choice, but….
    there is something called an inboard/outboard… so …?… it shouldn’t be too hard to come up with a third bathroom facility

  23. Em again says:

    #21 – long overdue discrimination offense and needs to be addressed πŸ™‚

  24. Jean says:

    Back in the late 70s, in the disco culture of S.F., the restrooms were totally flexible. I never found anything dangerous, uncomfortable or weird. I guess it was that night fever.

  25. Michael says:

    I frankly don’t understand why more people aren’t outraged over this.
    I didn’t let T use a public restroom alone until he was probably twelve…and if we’re at a rest stop I still won’t let him go alone.

    If I had a daughter that age I shudder to think about what I would do if a man followed her into a restroom.

    What in the hell happened to common sense and decency?

    Further, why can an infinitesimal percentage of the population make the rest of us do their bidding?

    This might work in some places in this country…but where I live someone is going to get hurt.

  26. Jean says:

    Michael, there’s nothing wrong with you. I grew up in S.F. I’m probably the twisted one.

  27. Michael says:

    I’m not saying anyone is twisted…I just cannot for the life of me justify what Target is doing.
    It’s not “hate”…it’s just simply that an ordered society has to recognize certain norms for the sake of the people.

  28. JoelG says:

    It will be interesting to see if this affects Targets bottom line.

    In my little circle it’s “boycott Target!” But I really believe that one of the last people who’d want to assault a young girl in the bathroom is a transgender male. The few I’m familiar with are very feminine in nature. Maybe I’ve lost my marbles.

    Regardless, I agree with you Michael. This is nuts.

  29. Jean says:

    I hear you. I am critical of my own tradition for not considering boycotts and close coordination with other communities of faith to put our money where our principles are. That’s a message business understands.

  30. Michael says:

    I hate even talking about stuff like this because I certainly don’t want to come off as another crusty conservative.
    I’m not…but stuff like this could move me that direction… πŸ™‚

  31. Jean says:

    ^Crusty or conservative?

  32. Michael says:

    I’ll cop to crusty… πŸ™‚

  33. JoelG says:

    I have 2 daughters, both of whom I’d be extremely uncomfortable using the bathroom with a transgender male. I wouldn’t allow it, no matter how “open-minded” I’d like to think I am.

    This will be an interesting gauge of our culture. If Target withstands this I shudder to think what’s next.

  34. Michael says:


    Most major retailers will follow suit in short order…the impact on Target will end up being minimal.

  35. Jean says:

    If my children were young, I’d be more worried about a pedophile homo with a young son than a transgender with a daughter. Neither thought is appealing.

  36. Michael says:


    I’m one of those neurotics who worry about every conceivable possibility. πŸ™‚

  37. Lurkie Loo says:

    There are men who are straight and like to wear dresses….

  38. Jean says:

    Michael, one of the problems with the monied class, is they are insulated from the world most of us live in. They don’t represent us, but think they know what is best for us, and don’t understand us or our concerns. It’s two different realities.

  39. Michael says:


    I think that very thing is what is fueling our cultural anger…

  40. JoelG says:

    The Bourgeoisie are pushing too far with this one. I just can’t believe that the American public will tolerate this.

  41. Nonnie says:

    JoelG, I don’t believe that we will have a choice.
    Who would have believed that it would be the law of that land that 2 men or 2 women could get married to one another 10 years ago?

    I was shocked when i read that “Caitlyn (Bruce) Jenner has now changed his birth certificate and drivers’ licence and still has his penis. He hasn’t even changed his plumbing and yet can be considered a woman in every legal way.


  42. JoelG says:

    Agreed Nonnie. I think the difference is the public restroom issue affects all of us in the hear and now. It affects our kids directly. Same sex marriage and Jenner is “out there” in the live and let live categorie that’s politically correct and safe.

  43. JoelG says:

    Kids, wives, moms. It’s making me angry thinking about it.

  44. Nonnie says:

    This issue is exactly the same as abortion 40 years ago. No one, back then,would have believed that people would be applauding PP in doing partial birth abortions and also selling baby parts. That was never dreamed of back then. It was strictly first trimester abortions.

    Who would have believed 10 years ago that people would be applauding parents who are dressing their little boys as girls and planning on getting them hormone treatments? And that we and our children HAVE to play along that it is absolutely normal or we are hateful bigots.

    Who would have believed 5 years ago that Target would be issuing a press release saying that men can use the women’s restroom, if they happen to feel like they are a woman that day.

    It’s a slippery slope….and it is gaining speed.

  45. Nonnie says:

    And no I don’t hate transgenders or cross dressers, women who have had abortions,etc.. I’m not a hater…I’m just observing some incredible changes in my lifetime and wondering what comes next.

  46. JoelG says:

    The Good News is that we have a King who holds this world in His Hands and is bringing His Kingdom to earth as it is in heaven in the midst of this brokenness.

  47. Nonnie says:

    Amen, JoelG! That blessed hope gives me peace through this insanity.

  48. Em again says:

    interesting – “civilization” moved forward in great, gratifying strides over the past few hundred years and was the work of basically God-fearing nations. Now today all those “We did it our way” folk, who give the credit to god denying intellectualism for what we’ve accomplished, are going to have to face some very uncivilized consequences – or so it seems to me today

  49. Lurkie Loo says:

    How long until a child/woman is attacked in the bathroom by a predator posing as transgender? Not a paranoid question IMO.

  50. Em again says:

    Lurkie Loo, some might answer you that such attacks already happen so why worry about the gender thing? But the concern you raise is valid IMV because it simply makes it so much easier to pull off

  51. Alan says:

    “Great civilizations aren’t murdered, they commit suicide.”
    – Historian Arnold Toynbee

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