Message from Michael: Part 1

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  1. Em says:

    reading this, it just occurred to me that none of us who know anything at all of Michael’s adversities (plural adversities are scary), none of us can deny miracles – even hanging in there can be a miracle of mercy from God – the ones who are blessed, perhaps, are those that he’s hanging in there for … dunno … just pondering … again

  2. Reuben says:

    I apologize for not being around much. I got really mad at this place for a while. I resolved to quit everything. I have a job now that has a very steep learning curve. I have been moved into taking care of some high profile clients. Cisco of Colorado being one, and I have about 40 hours of pending work there right now, at a building that is a minimum hour drive when traffic is good. I also have a number of huge office buildings that are in desperate need of work. Hospira, Merck, NetApp, NIST, and the list is building. I am only a year and a half into HVACR, but the drive to know everything about my profession has unfortunately dropped me in some very stressful work. Care taking massive server rooms, where the temperatures can not drop below 69 degrees or death of critical equipment trafficking billions of dollars of transactions. Chemical processing rooms and labs that require so many air changes per hour at a constant static pressure. Some of those labs require temps within one degree of set point, or alarms start going off, and I am flying down the road to another emergency.

    I made the choice some time ago to be about the care and security of my family first. At this time, it means making money.

    Now I have a church looking to me to accept nominations to be a lay leader. My interest in this is about at absolute zero. I am so done with ministry. Frankly, I am just about done with church. But because I open my mouth at a church meeting… I even tried to talk people out of the nominations, and it only enforced the desire to have me on board.

    I started the 39 articles again, and the second week in made me face-palm for days. Still face-palming today.

    One of the reasons I started the 39 is shot all to hell. So I ask myself why I am doing it. I revert back to the good reasons. Yet, this weeks article will cause such vitriol that I doubt I will be interested in blogging anymore, again.

    I am a heretic. I have a big job that keeps me awake. Nobody is interested in unity in the Body of Christ. Since that is the one string on my banjo, I pluck it in vain.

    I have a stack of paperwork to do right now. I have to do it. It has nothing to do with Jesus, nothing to do with blogs. nothing to do with family, but Cisco has to know what I have been doing in their server room for the last 24 working hours, and how much money they owe my employers, and why I have to spend another 16 hours there fixing another giant problem.

  3. London says:

    Honestly, I don’t get what it is you expect from people when you post those threads. Are you thinking everyone will agree with every point? Honest question.
    I see many people involved in every one of those.
    Unity isn’t something you are going to see on a blog. It just isn’t designed for that.

    Why we have gone to thinking this blog is about “debate” instead of discussion is beyond me. I’ve seen that term mentioned many many times lately. Maybe we just need to remember that the “guidelines” for discussion are different than the “rules” of debate.
    That might help at least a bit.

  4. Lutheran says:


    From what you’ve said, I hope you say no to the church request. Honestly, it sounds like you’re leading the equivalent of more than one life. I believe as you said, that your first priority is to your family. If that means focusing on your vocation, then so be it. Doesn’t make you less spiritual. Take a break from church, unless everyone there fully understands the bigger picture.

    That’s my $.02

  5. Reuben says:

    London, fair question. And maybe it answers mine as well.

    I posted them in hopes that we could all find common ground. Nobody is looking for common ground. Some are more willing to defend the reasons why they lock others out rather than accepting them as family.

    So I really don’t know why I thought that would work.

  6. Michael says:


    I think those articles have great value.
    Whenever we can expose each other to different traditions and ways of thinking about our doctrinal differences we have accomplished something.
    Unity is an eschatological reality, not a present blessing…but we are working our way toward home.

  7. ( |o )====::: says:

    Hey Michael,
    Thanks for the years of patience as I continue to work through my faith journey. You totally have given me grace, contributed to helping me develop a nicer online persona, and challenged me to functional tolerance.

    Self regulation has been the greatest skill I have begun to learn and our fellow bloggers have been gracious as well.

    No apologies needed for your blog and how you conduct yourself or the articles and topics you put up. It’s up to each of us to post as gentlemen (the ladies are rarely the offenders). Even when tempted to go off about my pet peeves I realize that if the recent posts module show a string of 4 guitars, that’s my personal cue to dial back, encourage dialog and leave some space so others don’t think that all they are going to read is my posts.

    Do what you must to have an awesome life, cherishing and guiding Trey, getting healthy.

    Thanks, my online friend.

  8. Had a post, it disappeared. Maybe it will show up.

    Bottom line, Michael, it’s your blog, do what ya wants ta do.

  9. London says:

    Thanks for the response Reuben. I agree with Michael, it’s important to be able to learn about other traditions. If people look at them as discussion points instead of debate topics, I think you’ll find the threads not so explosive.
    Don’t get too hung up on the unity thing.

  10. Michael says:


    That is true in part.
    For the last few years I’ve viewed it more as managing a public trust, a place that belonged to all those who invested heart and thought here.

  11. Em says:

    Reuben, CONGRATULATIONS on proving your worth on the job

    FWIW from this corner … the folks above are absolutely right about the value of what you are posting … it may seem like the point is lost in all the flack going up, but i don’t think it is … i thought at first there might be a generation factor muddying the water, but even that gets aired and washed …

    that said, London’s point is very important: ” Maybe we just need to remember that the ā€œguidelinesā€ for discussion are different than the ā€œrulesā€ of debate.” amen …

    but that said, while discussion may be messier, i think, in the end it is the more productive of the two and seems to leave more room for Christ – IMNSHO šŸ™‚

  12. ( |o )====::: says:

    Then ya did good!

    On to new and more beautiful days, as much as I can be part of that, thanks in advance.

    For all the years of your kindness toward me and others, thank you :: now ::

  13. nomans says:

    Michael, please forgive me for being more and more absent here. I really have a tough time finding my place amid the strife that has become more commonplace over time. I do love this blog and the people who make it, I just have been conflicted as to my role for some time now. I am finding my best place here is prayer, but as your friend want to be a support and resource to you. Hope I’m making sense…

  14. ( |o )====::: says:

    The Daily Beast article is stunning. Well written, glad that it’s visible for a warning to people.

  15. Michael says:

    No need to forgive anything, dear sister…you have given so much to all of us online and off.
    I’m just grateful to call you friend.

  16. sarahkwolfe says:

    I am somewhat in the same situation as nomans. Still trying to find exactly where to pop in and contribute, and usually that is on the prayer thread. As is the case with most of us, it is hit-or-miss when I can be on, so it is difficult these days to contribute to ongoing discussions.

    Still. This place will always hold my affection. I remember many of you often in prayer. It is still where I come when I have time online…to check in and see what the conversation is regarding, to see what is happening in the lives of those who converse. The dynamic has changed fairly significantly, but I think at the core we all still care about one another in some way that is hard to completely understand. God has worked in our midst here, and that is hard to walk away from…

  17. Michael, you’re priorities are in alignment, IMO. I miss seeing you around more often, but I get it.

    Sarah, Nomans, Reuben, BrianD, you all do a great job.

  18. I will probably be posting less, but reviewing what I say more carefully. I don’t expect some problems will go away, but I will try not to be part of it.

  19. Fly on a Wall says:

    Just out of curiosity, can I find Michael’s auto/biography somewhere?

    I’m curious where he’s coming from and the story behind this blog? I kinda stumbled onto it one day, having no idea what I was reading.

    Phoenix Preacher? There must be a story behind that name….

  20. Fly on a Wall says:

    Here’s a quote from Michael’s link

    12 hours ago

    Jesus committed suicide by driving the profiteers from the temple. While hanging on the cross he must have thought, with his divine 20/20 foresight, ‘This is going to sell a lot of T shirts.’

    bwahahaha…. so funny.

    It’s scary how the unsaved “get it” and so many seasoned veterans don’t.

  21. Michael says:


    Not much of a story…I live in Phoenix,OR and I’m a preacher and the blog needed a name. šŸ™‚

    I started this in 2003 and for many years reported on one scandal after another, primarily in Calvary Chapel.
    I had been kicked out of the movement for questioning the integrity and morality of my pastor and when we wrote about it lots of people responded with similar stories.
    It kind of took on a life of its own and we had lots of material to work with. šŸ˜‰
    We also wrote extensively (and dogmatically) on theology and such.
    The blog has been through about five editions…I get burned out and take time off and come back older and hopefully wiser.
    I’ve taken it to a broader place in later years, often a more personal place as I hope that sharing my struggles openly helps others to be honest about theirs.

  22. Anne says:

    Michael: I remain forever grateful for the part PP and you have had on my journey. I follow the blog mostly via my email to help keep my blood pressure down and my serenity up šŸ™‚ Blessings always to you & Trey.

  23. pardon ze interrupcion. says:

    This blog has been my constant companion through three or four major paradigm shifts I’ve journeyed through. For that, “Thank You” is insufficient but all I’ve to offer at this moment. Thanks, Michael.

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