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  1. John 20:29 says:

    Whew, that link ought tk spawn a couple hundred back and forth comments this weekend…
    God created a planet, a very nice one, put a new creature, a complimentary pair of them on and told them to enjoy… He visited them daily (think on that for a moment).
    There was a rebellion going on as a creature, not of this world, judged himself equal to the most high God.
    The creature visited the nice planet, tricked the new creatures into breaking the one forbidden activity God had instructed.
    All this debate on the resolution of the transgression – perhaps the transgressions of both trangressors?
    Holy is a term we should treasure – in it are perfect justice and perfect mercy… But we sidetrack as we debate how to most perfectly define and perform for God…
    If we can’t agree on what the Book tells us maybe we are making it too complex? Dunno…. ?

  2. John 20:29 says:

    Should have also said that the link is an informative read, worth the time – no matter what i think i think. ?

  3. John 20:29 says:

    #4 – i recall as two very young marrieds and very commited Christians, my late husband and i were having a “heated”disagreement – i saw him ball up hjs fist and i told him , “If you ever hit me, it probably will kill me [he was much stronger than i, had been the sparring partner of a Navy boxing champ], youd better hope it does as you’ll never hit me again.” He knew i meant it and i’ve never once thought that i was a bad unchristian wife for that. … He never ever hit me or threatened to. BTW
    Oh, how i wish women in the Church had the dignity and self respect that Gos intends
    That said, women can be unpleasant, too… but some man telling you so, doesnt make it so… not so sure about vice versa ?

  4. Duane Arnold says:

    For all who look in this evening…

    “Keep watch, dear Lord, with those who work, or watch, or
    weep this night, and give your angels charge over those who
    sleep. Tend the sick, Lord Christ; give rest to the weary, bless
    the dying, soothe the suffering, pity the afflicted, shield the
    joyous; and all for your love’s sake. Amen.”

    BCP Compline

  5. The New Victor says:

    That’s a great prayer Duane.

    I found out yesterday that my mother was moved by adult protective services into a skilled care facility. Her mental acuity had lapsed so far that she wasn’t safe in the strip motel in which they had previously placed her, being kicked off her property (think the worst episode of Hoarders, but worse). I’m going to visit her now at the end of the month now that she’s safe and I’ll be safe from criminal accusations. God is the father to widows and orphans. She was the latter at 12 and 14, emancipated at 16. She was the former in 2003, though not in the biblical sense since she was the provider to her disabled husband.

    They’ve warned me that her mental state has deteriorated significantly. Living in a dank, damp collapsing house filled with black mould and animal waste probably contributed to her decline faster, but that was her choice. I have seen this coming for over 15 years…

  6. John 20:29 says:

    New Viictor, praying God’s supply of strength will get you through these challenges…

    Agreeing, the prayer Dr. Duane posted is a powerful and comforting one

  7. Duane Arnold says:

    #7 New Victor

    You are very much in my prayers…

  8. Captain Kevin says:

    New Victor, praying for you and your mom.

  9. dusty says:

    Joining in on the prayers for you and your mom new victor.

  10. Muff Potter says:

    John 20:29 wrote:

    “If we can’t agree on what the Book tells us maybe we are making it too complex? Dunno…”

    Agreed. I think that the Bible suffers from two ills:
    Not giving it the credence it deserves at one extreme, and making way too much of it at the other.

  11. John 20:29 says:

    #12 – thank you for the affirmation, but i’m not sure we could ever make “way too much” of the Book… We might, maybe make way too much of what we think we know, however… ?

  12. JoelG says:

    Some Gospel music from Ramsey Midwood…

  13. Jean says:

    Why does God permit suffering?

    “Let no one ever think that a full and satisfied soul will be filled of God; he only “fills the hungry with good things”. How much less then will he give eternal life to those who disdain it; nay, who despise it in comparison with the good things of this life. No! He will give it to those who most ardently, and with groanings that cannot be uttered, seek after it, crave after it, and knock at the door for it. As we should not thus seek, crave, and know it otherwise, especially if we enjoyed a quiet life, God has set before us death and various tribulations, that being pressed under these, we may be forced to seek for mercy and life; as Job saith, 10:12, ‘Thou hast granted me life and lovingkindness; and thy visitation hath preserved my spirit’.”

    – Martin Luther, Commentary on Psalm 6

  14. John 20:29 says:

    Interesting that this thread ended with the question, why suffering…

  15. John 20:29 says:

    Interesting also, that this tablet subnitted my comment on its own when i set it down to do something else
    Its Ash Wednesday and Christians are repenting, but all “good”people in this nation are grieving again and looking for a way to stop the shootings…
    It’s easy to say ban guns, guns kill… but, if we take a deep breath and look at our society today – our lawless and self centered ways – perhaps we might see that these shooting, bombings and attacks on pedestrians with cars and trucks, are the fruit of lawlessness – far different from what began as a good questioning of authority and that is the real problem IMNSHO…
    I’ll stop since no one asked me anyway. ?

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