I guess I’ll start this off with … a nearly 9k word piece on a self-help book I hadn’t planned to write but which I felt spurred to write after reading some intense stuff about PNW aboriginal slavery systems and then reading the news about the mass graves and venting some frustration about how some folks embrace a kind of fantasy Native American that has more to do with white progressive and reactionary imaginations than anything to do with actual Native Americans, let alone Native American Christians in the PNW. So, yeah, I admit it’s a rant and it’s a rare post where I was ticked off while I was writing it. We can work toward conciliation but not if we embrace fantasy histories across the board.
Question
Is there a possibility that our heat is the result of human behavoir? I don’t mean driving cars, rather the tolerance and in some areas acceptance of behavior that God has clearly odentified as sin?
Just asking, no opinions here won’t insult me. š
We’ve been undergoing climate change here in Southern Oregon since my teens.
We used to get rain from September to April in the valley. loads of snow in the mountains.
That has diminished greatly over the decades.
I’m not smart enough to know why.
If weather was a sign of Gods displeasure, it seems to me that Russia, China, and North Korea would be cinder piles. not Oregon and Washington…
Michael, if i read the O.T. correctly, God only disciplines His children… So?
So I asked, is He displeased with the Church now?
We had many blessings and challenges on our trip last week, including one of my granddaughter s going missing (search and rescue found her a day later unharmed). I. KNOW we had prayer cover… His people and God, so grateful! ! !
Israel was under an entirely different covenant than NT believers in Christ.
We are under the new covenant where the displeasure of God was poured out on Christ…this is the age of the patience and grace of God who desires that none perish and all be saved.
Judgment will come…but not now.
Having a child go missing would be the scariest thing I can think of…thank God she was found!
On a different note…I just love that the Carters are celebrating 75 years of marriage.
About 350 people showed up for a celebration in Plains.
Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood, CNN founder Ted Turner, former U.N. ambassador Andrew Young and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), gathered in the former high school that the Carters attended 80 years ago. There were relatives and neighbors, poor as well as rich, Republicans as well as Democrats.
“We are under the new covenant where the displeasure of God was poured out on Christā¦this is the age of the patience and grace of God who desires that none perish and all be saved.
Judgment will comeā¦but not now.”
very good points!
Is there such a thing as the depravity of man reaching a point that calls for destruction?
My grandaughter is now 20 – her car broke down and she went off to find a solution without notifying her Dad. She is a very pretty young blond woman and so….
He asked for prayer and I found a bench overlooking the Wallowa valley at our motel and talked to the Father – know others were doing the same…
listened to Adrian Rogers this a.m. preaching on the power that born again ones have in our heritage in Christ… don’t think i really appreciate what we do have
P.S. i have thanked God for extending Michael’s ministry and i suspect i’m not the only one here who has done that….
āif i read the O.T. correctly, God only disciplines His childrenā¦ So?ā
Yes, He does discipline His children. It produces the fruit of endurance and humility.
But what about those who are not His children? They are warned and in some cases judged.
In my opinion, the climate change we are seeing should be interpreted by Christians as (1) a reminder that the earth belongs to God, (2) that He did not invite us to misuse it, and that if we do not repent of our arrogance and idolatry of thinking that we are the masters of our destiny, then the natural laws of God will judge humanity guilty.
We donāt have to prove human made climate change. We need only ask,
Are we invited to pollute the atmosphere with dangerous and harmful chemicals? Are we invited to burn down enitire echo systems? Are we invited to clear entire forests? And I could ask about our treatment of oceans and rivers?
We seem to have completely forgotten the words stewardship and sustainability. In my opinion, Christians should be the leading voices in both, as Godās royal priesthood in His creation.
Ecosystems ?
Sadly, at the present, the Church is not in charge here…
Where does the world put their used nuclear energy fuel rods? I heard that some nations dump them in our oceans…. Out of sight; out of mind? Would that warm the oceans? Dunno…..
Oh, Lord, Thy kingdom come SOON!
I know I’m days late responding to this, but I just have to say a hearty Amen to Michael’s:
“Israel was under an entirely different covenant than NT believers in Christ.
We are under the new covenant where the displeasure of God was poured out on Christā¦this is the age of the patience and grace of God who desires that none perish and all be saved.
Judgment will comeā¦but not now.”
Absolutely spot-on Michael! What people often attribute as being the result of the wrath of God being poured out now is really I believe just the natural result of sin (in people, in our world, etc.) and not an active “act of God”. That wrath will be coming, and when it does it’s going to be mighty intense, but that’s not the season we are in right now.
It’s all yours today…
I guess I’ll start this off with … a nearly 9k word piece on a self-help book I hadn’t planned to write but which I felt spurred to write after reading some intense stuff about PNW aboriginal slavery systems and then reading the news about the mass graves and venting some frustration about how some folks embrace a kind of fantasy Native American that has more to do with white progressive and reactionary imaginations than anything to do with actual Native Americans, let alone Native American Christians in the PNW. So, yeah, I admit it’s a rant and it’s a rare post where I was ticked off while I was writing it. We can work toward conciliation but not if we embrace fantasy histories across the board.
https://wenatcheethehatchet.blogspot.com/2021/07/mark-and-grace-driscolls-win-your-war.html
Worth reading…
https://www.prri.org/research/2020-census-of-american-religion
fantasies about aboriginal life? amen to that
like the rest of the Godless world they were a mix of good and bad and quite a bit of mean
Question
Is there a possibility that our heat is the result of human behavoir? I don’t mean driving cars, rather the tolerance and in some areas acceptance of behavior that God has clearly odentified as sin?
Just asking, no opinions here won’t insult me. š
I have never understood that question, Em.
We’ve been undergoing climate change here in Southern Oregon since my teens.
We used to get rain from September to April in the valley. loads of snow in the mountains.
That has diminished greatly over the decades.
I’m not smart enough to know why.
If weather was a sign of Gods displeasure, it seems to me that Russia, China, and North Korea would be cinder piles. not Oregon and Washington…
Michael, if i read the O.T. correctly, God only disciplines His children… So?
So I asked, is He displeased with the Church now?
We had many blessings and challenges on our trip last week, including one of my granddaughter s going missing (search and rescue found her a day later unharmed). I. KNOW we had prayer cover… His people and God, so grateful! ! !
Em,
Israel was under an entirely different covenant than NT believers in Christ.
We are under the new covenant where the displeasure of God was poured out on Christ…this is the age of the patience and grace of God who desires that none perish and all be saved.
Judgment will come…but not now.
Having a child go missing would be the scariest thing I can think of…thank God she was found!
On a different note…I just love that the Carters are celebrating 75 years of marriage.
About 350 people showed up for a celebration in Plains.
Garth Brooks and Trisha Yearwood, CNN founder Ted Turner, former U.N. ambassador Andrew Young and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), gathered in the former high school that the Carters attended 80 years ago. There were relatives and neighbors, poor as well as rich, Republicans as well as Democrats.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/luminaries-and-regular-folks-help-the-carters-celebrate-a-big-milestone-in-their-small-town/2021/07/10/4e7ea36a-e197-11eb-ae31-6b7c5c34f0d6_story.html
The Carters are a national treasure…
“We are under the new covenant where the displeasure of God was poured out on Christā¦this is the age of the patience and grace of God who desires that none perish and all be saved.
Judgment will comeā¦but not now.”
very good points!
Is there such a thing as the depravity of man reaching a point that calls for destruction?
My grandaughter is now 20 – her car broke down and she went off to find a solution without notifying her Dad. She is a very pretty young blond woman and so….
He asked for prayer and I found a bench overlooking the Wallowa valley at our motel and talked to the Father – know others were doing the same…
listened to Adrian Rogers this a.m. preaching on the power that born again ones have in our heritage in Christ… don’t think i really appreciate what we do have
P.S. i have thanked God for extending Michael’s ministry and i suspect i’m not the only one here who has done that….
Judgment belongs to the eschaton…depravity is usually self destructive…
Jimmy and Rosalind national treasures? that they may be, but i always found them “interesting characters”….
āif i read the O.T. correctly, God only disciplines His childrenā¦ So?ā
Yes, He does discipline His children. It produces the fruit of endurance and humility.
But what about those who are not His children? They are warned and in some cases judged.
In my opinion, the climate change we are seeing should be interpreted by Christians as (1) a reminder that the earth belongs to God, (2) that He did not invite us to misuse it, and that if we do not repent of our arrogance and idolatry of thinking that we are the masters of our destiny, then the natural laws of God will judge humanity guilty.
We donāt have to prove human made climate change. We need only ask,
Are we invited to pollute the atmosphere with dangerous and harmful chemicals? Are we invited to burn down enitire echo systems? Are we invited to clear entire forests? And I could ask about our treatment of oceans and rivers?
We seem to have completely forgotten the words stewardship and sustainability. In my opinion, Christians should be the leading voices in both, as Godās royal priesthood in His creation.
Ecosystems ?
Sadly, at the present, the Church is not in charge here…
Where does the world put their used nuclear energy fuel rods? I heard that some nations dump them in our oceans…. Out of sight; out of mind? Would that warm the oceans? Dunno…..
Oh, Lord, Thy kingdom come SOON!
Who said the church is or should be in charge of temporal authority?
However, Jesus should be the Lord of all Christians.
Amen, Jean, if He isn’t, He will be. …
I know I’m days late responding to this, but I just have to say a hearty Amen to Michael’s:
“Israel was under an entirely different covenant than NT believers in Christ.
We are under the new covenant where the displeasure of God was poured out on Christā¦this is the age of the patience and grace of God who desires that none perish and all be saved.
Judgment will comeā¦but not now.”
Absolutely spot-on Michael! What people often attribute as being the result of the wrath of God being poured out now is really I believe just the natural result of sin (in people, in our world, etc.) and not an active “act of God”. That wrath will be coming, and when it does it’s going to be mighty intense, but that’s not the season we are in right now.