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  1. Nathan Priddis says:

    I scanned a few Christian sites looking for chatter on Ukraine…nothing. I’ll look today for 2022 prophecy. I’m doubtful foreign policy will appear on the prophetic radar. If correct, geopolitical conflict can be added to the recently missed list. Covid..Biden Administration..Severe weather/ climate..economic stress disruption. The prophets seem a little lackluster.

    Even on the PP, there’s been hand wringing over the imminent threat to Western Civilization. But, this threat appears to be those voting for Biden, transgenders, mandates, etc.

    Meanwhile, the West…as in ..the West, appears weak before a possible Russian expansion. The Western Alliance has been the backdrop in our post-WW2 world.

    Not to be forgotten, the dollar is the global currency, by virtue of our foreign dominance. In part, our postwar alliances is vital to maintaining Pax-Americana.

    But post-Trump, who will American Evangelicalism side with? Will Evangelical support swing to an adversary over an American administration? Given the poll numbers showing belief in lizard people, satanic child cabals and Beast systems, a foreign adversary might appear less threatening than the vaccinated lizard man next door.

  2. Nathan Priddis says:

    As for Jan. 6th..
    I view this date as our national Beer Hall Putsch.

  3. Duane Arnold says:

    Loving Robert Alter’s translation of, and commentary on, Genesis…

    “As many modern commentators have noted, the first Creation account
    concludes with the summarizing phrase in the first half of this verse: “This is
    the tale [literally, these are the begettings] of the heavens and the earth when
    they were created,” these two paired terms, heavens and earth, taking us back
    in an envelope structure to the paired terms of the very first verse of the
    Creation story. Now, after the grand choreography of resonant parallel utter-
    ances of the cosmogony, the style changes sharply. Instead of the symmetry
    of parataxis, hypotaxis is initially prominent: the second account begins with
    elaborate syntactical subordination in a long complex sentence that uncoils
    all the way from the second part of verse 4 to the end of verse 7. In this more
    vividly anthropomorphic account, God, now called YHWH ’Elohim instead
    of ’Elohim as in the first version, does not summon things into being from a
    lofty distance through the mere agency of divine speech, but works as a
    craftsman, fashioning ( yatsar instead of bar’a‚”create” ), blowing life breath
    into nostrils, building a woman from a rib. Whatever the disparate historical
    origins of the two accounts, the redaction gives us first a harmonious cosmic
    overview of creation and then a plunge into the technological nitty-gritty and
    moral ambiguities of human origins.”

    Robert Alter

  4. Em says:

    Hugh Ross is a Canadian scientist with bona fides – His organization, Reasons to Believe, can give a Believer “reasons to believe.”

  5. Josh Hamrick says:

    He’s a Ken Ham critic, so he’s got that going for him.

  6. Chris says:

    Anyone familiar with the Bema podcast? It was recommended to me and I’ve found it pretty interesting. Seems to focus on reading the Bible with a middle eastern/Jewish lens/perspective. The main guy seems to have a link to Ray Vander Laan (That the World May Know Ministries) who I’m also unfamiliar with but maybe some folks here know.

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  8. Nathan Priddis says:

    Duane. You know I’m a sucker for interpretation of the beginning.

  9. Duane Arnold says:

    Nathan

    Alter has really wrapped his arms around it… Then there is his commentary on Job. Just amazing…

  10. Em says:

    Umpqua – REAL ice cream from Oregon – if you find it, try it
    Just tryin’ to be non controversial here….. 😇

  11. OfficerHoppy says:

    I am a 70 year old man who was baptized and raised in the Lutheran church. In October of 1969, at a Pentecostal revival meeting, I made a commitment to Christ. In the language of Evangelicalism, at that moment, I became “saved” or “born again”. I went to a Christian college, learned the languages and culture of Christianity. I eventually became a pastor at Applegate Fellowship and ultimately passed my own Calvary church. I enjoyed it and learned a lot. After about 35 years of full time ministry, I retired in September of 2021. I mostly, enjoyed my time in ministry and have no complaints. There are many things about Christianity and CC in particular (or maybe it was just me) that I observed is that there wasn’t much room for honesty. The interpretation of much of scripture and the focus of most Sunday morning sermons, whether overtly so, or as subtext, was being a Christian means you are happy and found the sourced of life. Even the language of Christianity communicated that, “I am Blessed” or, “what has God been showing you in the scriptures a today”. Simple answers were given to complicated psychological questions. “ I am depressed”. “We’ll just seek the Lord” or “Read your bible more” or, “pray”. Without understanding the nature of pain, depression, the affects of the grief associated with divorce or suicide, physical or emotional abuse upon a child, I confess with shame that was the counsel I gave. We poo pooed secular counseling and to seek that type of help was considered a lack of trusting God.

    About 10 years into my ministry as a lead pastor for 20 years, I became aware of the complexity and damage events can have upon a person’s life. I realized that my simple and spiritually Idealistic answers were doing more harm than good. So, I stopped counseling and began referring people to professional counselors. I would stay in contact with people, but mostly to just listen, comfort and, hopefully, encourage.

    Since retiring in Sept., I ha en’t been back to church. I may one day. But for now, I am enjoying the reprogramming I am going thru as well as my weekends.

    As a CC pastor, or again, maybe it was just me, I was critical of other beliefs. When I first came to the PP yeas ago, there were many arguments I would start with other members. I was legalistic and figured I had it all figured out. But in the past 5 years, it is almost as if I have wiped my theological scale clean and starting over. Where I would hide my doubts and questions for fear of being ostracized by my fellow CC pastors, I began to be honest. One time I was advised by a fellow pastor that I needed to quit the ministry.

    I don’t argue much any more. I listen. I’ll ask questions and may ask for clarification on points, but I, again, just listen. When I first began posting on PP, it was very reformed. Now, there seems to be a bent toward Orthodox. The posts and discussions, by Michael, Duane, Xena and others has forced me to check out That aspect of Christianity more deeply. While I don’t necessarily agree with all of it’s theology and praxis, I found it fascinating and enlightening.

    My point in all of this is, I think, I hope I have become less legalistic and and more understanding of other beliefs. I am involved in two Cohorts of scholars and have been for 2 years. They represent a certain aspect of Christianity but are seekers too. We ask hard and difficult questions. My hope is that it will make me and us better brothers and sisters to each other.

    My relationship with Christ would not be described as “happy”. The other day I was asked if I “loved the Lord”. I said, “If you mean I experience the ‘Holy Ghost goose bumps’ and trust that all my troubles have been solved, no. But if by it you mean following the best I can the teachings of Jesus and the kingdom, I say yes.”

    My relationship with God usually involves boxing gloves. But I think that’s the way God made me. And, as funny as it may seem to some, I think he likes the conflict too.

    BTW, if you were on PP 20 years ago and a poster by the name Sola Fide offended you, please accept my sincere apology.

  12. Em says:

    Officerhoppy, you sound like St. Peter… or Thomas…. God chose both … You also 😇

  13. LInn says:

    Since there seem to be a variety of topics today, I would like to ask for prayers from my PP friends for my lost cat. We had a police helicopter flying over my home due to a bad accident Tuesday night. I opened the door to grab a grocery order, and Ally ran out the door and down the street. I haven’t seen her since. I’ve done all the posting possible on social media, got the word out around the neighborhood, walked around, and nada. I’ve got all the comforts of home out for her on my porch, too. Thanks. I really miss her.

  14. Em says:

    Praying, Linn
    Cats ARE kinda unpredictable…..

  15. Muff Potter says:

    Derek @ 4:24 am,
    Would you have the public burning of witches and heretics too?

  16. Steven says:

    Anyone tried “The Naked Bible” podcast?

    From what (little) i understand, one of the developers of Logos software is the host.

  17. Captain Kevin says:

    Hoppy,
    I don’t recall ever being offended by Sola Fide, but I sure enjoyed the banter of the Night Crew.

  18. Officerhoppy says:

    Ahhhhh yes…the night crew. Fun!

  19. josh hamrick says:

    Hoppy, how did you get by with being CC and reformed?

  20. Officerhoppy says:

    Josh
    I am not reformed. Neither am I a Calvinist. If I am anything I am an antinomist. I can’t reconcile either Calvinist or Arminian belief. But from my vantage point, both are taught in scripture and as such both are true. An antinomy is to theology or logic what an anomaly is to science. Don’t ask me to explain any further because I spent yeas trying to figure it all out. This is where I landed. To me, the God of Calvinism is an unfair God. One has to be regenerated to confess belief in Christ and receive salvation. So how can he hold the unregenerate responsible for their actions? They were never given the opportunity to repent.

    For me, as I considered Calvinism, I couldn’t avoid fatalism. It is as though creation is following a pre written script.

    Would love your feed back

  21. DavidM says:

    Officer Hoppy, as someone who was also long-time CC pastor, I appreciate your honesty. Nobody has all the answers and it is dishonest to pretend that we as pastors do. I quit “counseling” early in my ministry, as I knew that I was not trained, so I would also refer people to a professional. I wasn’t afraid to say “I don’t know” at times but always wanted to help people find the Lord’s direction and plan. It really was very rewarding to serve as a pastor for decades and I still maintain so many precious friendships from those years. But I was never a “company man”, but felt that I could exist within the CC ministry while doing things in what I considered a better way. Anyway, thanks for your comments here and I hope you continue to do well.

  22. DH says:

    Michael, I have to call you and Duane’s “I trust Fauci” comments.

    Is that still your position?

  23. Officerhoppy says:

    David
    Man! Your story sounds so much like my story…especially the company man part. Love to talk face 2 face one day and compare notes.
    Thanks for your story—albeit, brief

  24. Ted says:

    Anti Fauci?

    Now there’s a real brain trust.

  25. Michael says:

    DH,

    I don’t speak for Duane and our opinions vary on some things.

    As for Fauci, I suspect that he has done his job the best of his ability and though I may not “trust” him or any other government voice to the fullest, I don’t assume malicious intent.

    I’m still looking for the person who got everything about the pandemic right…

  26. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael

    Completely agree…

  27. Officerhoppy says:

    I think the greatest danger to Americans is not Covid but the culture of distrust…even among believers. We are tribal and have sequestered ourselves into our own little groups where we all believe what we believe.

    The truth has been lost in the melee.

    At least that’s what i think

  28. Josh Hamrick says:

    Hoppy, I must have understood you at some point. I though you said you used to be completely reformed theologically. I know that was a no-no for CC, so I wondered how it worked, but like i said, I apparently misunderstood.

    I do agree with you in that I can’t really fit into either box.

  29. Nathan Priddis says:

    Steve. Naked Bible is Michael Heiser. He also has a YTC..Fringepop321.

    He moved from WA down to FL couple years back, and teamed up with a local church. I think they plan was to popularize the material and offer classes in a formal setting. Then COVID hit. I heard recently he has cancer? Don’t quote me.

    He regularity in posting sorta tanked.

    I view his material as both good and bad. He is pointing out the obvious that the Church..especially Fundamentalism/Evangelicalism..has abandoned potions of history, and portions of scripture text. I’m not excited about several other aspects of his work, including what I see as red flags.

  30. BrideofChrist says:

    Officer Hoppy, I very much appreciated your long post . I attended Calvary Chapels in Southern California for over 30 years and I was on the receiving end of some of that pastoral counsel to ” just pray more”, “don’t ever go to a professional mental health or marriage counselor” at different points of crisis in my life. Looking back, I think that advice damaged my marriage and made my life and Christian walk harder than it should have been. I no longer attend CC, but I appreciate reading comments and insights from former and current CC pastors – perhaps because of their huge influence in my life for so many years. It is somewhat healing for me to hear CC pastors make admissions such as yours, and it makes it easier for me to forgive some of the pastors in my life who at times gave me terrible counsel at Calvary Chapel. Thank you for being so transparent and honest. I know that God will bless you immensely in your search for a fuller, deeper understanding of God and His will!

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