That’s A Wrap…

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  1. “I won’t give up… you don’t give up!”

  2. or if you prefer an acoustic version…

  3. Nonnie says:

    I wonder if Phil is marrying off his 16 year old grand daughter anytime soon?

  4. Michael says:

    I ain’t giving up…I’m not there yet. 🙂

  5. Michael says:


    I don’t even know how to comment on Phil’s comment. 🙂

  6. Jim says:

    Dana Loesch, on People’s Phil article (apparently, media matters told the left to go after this “story”),

    “Tell me how outraged you are over a dude cracking a joke about marrying the woman he dated as a teen while you champion underage abortion.”

    Salon is one worthless, filthy rag. I resolve to avoid it this year.

  7. Xenia says:

    The only well-known Orthodox Christian to fall asleep in 2013 was the composer John Tavener, and he was not Orthodox in the traditional sense.

    Thousands of unknown (or known only to God) Christians won the crown of martyrdom in the Middle East in 2013.

  8. Xenia says:

    The passing of Pastor Chuck was the end of an era for me. He was my last link with the evangelical world, the last living Protestant pastor I felt any connection with. May his memory be eternal!

  9. Michael says:


    It stuns me that we can say that thousands were martyred for christ…and the church in this country cares little.

  10. Xenia says:

    Last well-known Protestant pastor, I should have said.

  11. Shaun Sells says:

    Hendricks is a hero of the faith.

    My (now retired) Associate Pastor went to Dallas Seminary, and Howie was one of his teachers. He tells me that Howie would pray, sometimes for hours, before teaching his inductive Bible study course so that he could have the proper excitement needed for teaching these young people how to handle God’s Word.

    I heard the news first and shared it with my friend, he took the day off so he could go home and grieve. Not many teachers elicit that much love from their students.

  12. Michael says:


    i lost track a long time ago of the people I know personally that were influenced by him…he raised the bar for dispensational teaching a mile over where it was.

  13. Xenia says:

    Michael, we pray for our own folks and that’s ok with me as long as everyone has someone praying for them. Pastor Saeed has never been mentioned at my parish be we have had special prayer services for Christians in the Middle East. Likewise, many evangelical churches have prayed diligently for Pastor Saeed but not the Eastern Christians who are under siege. I think this is understandable and I am glad that there is plenty of prayer going forth for all Christians in danger.

  14. Michael says:


    Perhaps that’s the way God intends it…we can’t all carry all the burdens.

  15. Xenia says:

    I am afraid ol’ Phil is just going to start spouting crazy stuff while he has his fifteen minutes of fame.

  16. Scott Barber says:

    The death of Dave Hunt affected me the most. He was one of the few Christian writers I was exposed to as a young teenager. It is terrible how much maturing in Christ means tearing out the maiming barbs that were wound around us in our youth…

  17. Michael says:


    I hear you…I remember when I gathered all his books and tossed them.
    Had to make room for Packers… 🙂

  18. I married the 16 yr old I dated … but her parents made us wait until she turned 18 to actually marry. End of January it will be 45 yrs.

    Perhaps ol Phil knows what he is talking about. 🙂

  19. Michael says:

    Only MLD would go there… 🙂

  20. That Phil thing is a stock joke that shows up in many sermons he gives.
    If you take it as more than a stock joke you end up getting all twisted up over nothing.
    Sort of glad, no one is taking tabs on all the jokes I make in life.

    If that is all the criers of misogyny have going for them, keep crying.
    The YouVersion stats were fascinating.

    The Michelangelo note was cool.

    Starting to think the Driscoll tweet was a way of saying “I can do anything I want”

  21. Michael says:


    I don’t use YouVersion, but I’m stunned at how many do.
    I’ve been pondering sending out a snarky tweet about Driscoll all morning…

  22. Steve Wright says:

    Calvary Chapel School of Ministry in Costa Mesa (when I was there in the mid 90s) used Hendricks as the textbook for the hermeneutics class. Off the top of my head I don’t recall another author from Dallas that was required reading in that program…not even Walvoord or Ryrie.

  23. On my computer, I use the ESV Study Bible Online. But, their online app leaves much to be desired. On my phone, The YouVersion App is much easier and user friendly to me.

  24. Just saw a local news channel post the Phil story.
    Phil defeated the gay lobby. Now he must be destroyed.
    It is as simple as that.

  25. Michael says:


    I think it’s still the standard text in many evangelical schools…

  26. Michael says:

    I use Logos and Accordance on my computer…Accordance on my mobile devices.
    I rarely use my phone to look up anything from the bible.

  27. Xenia says:

    From the Five New Years Resolutions link:

    “Plug into a Small Group or Bible Study…”

    One of my pet peeves about Christian lingo is the phrase “plug into___.” It always makes me cringe. It sounds like people are just one more electrical device that needs to be plugged into the mainframe. Seems a little dehumanizing, but I know that’s not the intention.

  28. Michael says:


    Now that you bring it up, I think you have a point…

  29. Jim says:

    #24 is correct. I think it’s more significant that he defeated A&E, which is owned by Disney/ABC and Hearst.

    The video is from 2009, and it’s clear that the audience gets the joke. Liberal media, not so much. This “story” is everywhere.

  30. Michael says:


    We need liberal media as well as conservative…they both lie to suit their agendas.
    This really isn’t about Phil…this is about panic setting in after their first major cultural defeat.

  31. Hendricks’ Living by the Book was an early text for me in a small Bible study group. The loss that affected me most was Chuck Smith, not so much for me personally, but because I know so many whose lives were affected, one way or another, by Pastor Chuck.

  32. Jim says:


    If you find a conservative news source, let me know. Fox just reads the republican script in the same way that the others read the dem script.

    Agreed on the panic. It’s fun to watch.

  33. randallslack says:

    Obviously all the men on your list impacted Christianity to one extent or another. Certainly all were used and all had flaws. Chuck taught me a love for the Word. Dave taught me to consider eternity in the light of today. Howard taught me that one could attend seminary and teach at seminary and still be a believer! incredible!

    The martyrdom of millions of Christians in 2013 should send all of us to our knees. It could happen to us and very soon. We have the ability and means to impact our world for good, yet willingly chose to be ignorant. I mentioned in a sermon one Sunday morning to pray for those in the 10-40 window. One of my elders came to me afterwards and wanted to know what the “10-40 window” was. Africa is beyond description as well. And, finally, the crime of Abortion worldwide is beyond comprehension. It seems that if it isn’t impacting our lives, then it can be something we can ignore. We have been given much and much will be required. May God have mercy of us all.

    I haven’t posted much this year. Safe to say, this has been a difficult year for me as it has been for many of you. Hope you all, my friends, have a very Happy New Year. May it bring you renewed hope, A JOB (you know who you are!), and joy unspeakable and full of glory.

    May our hearts be renewed in the Spirit of Him who loved us and gave Himself for us.

  34. #32 Which is exactly, why I can’t stand Sean Hannity. He mindlessly regurgitates the party line.

    I actually use my phone to read and look up scripture quite a lot. I like the fact that, a lot of times scripture will come to mind and I can just type in a few words of it and get that reference and context right away. Better than a concordance!

  35. Jtk says:

    Reading NKJV New Testament now….Youversion made it possible for me to read Titus in the returns line at Walmart in 12/26, turned an enragingly long line into a time of edification.

    I use Olive Tree + Strong’s (on sale today only–shameless plug) to look up verses all the time out in my “missions field.” The first two times I ever read the Bible were on e-devices….#signofthetimes

    Sorry, I hate hashtags

    Happy New Years, y’all

  36. This is free on Amazon right now.
    Everyday Prayers by Scotty Smith.

  37. Michael says:

    Randall…good to see you again!
    Thanks for the prayers…and I hope we see you more often.
    You have more to say that we need to hear…

  38. Jeff Jones says:

    Obviously, Pastor Chuck’s passing still stings everyday. If not for Calvary Chapel at that time of my life in the 70’s, I would literally be in prison or dead. (No joke.) He made God’s promises ring true for me and was a kind of “surrogate dad” to me without even knowing it.

  39. Michael says:

    He was a surrogate dad to many.
    My relationships with both Smith and Hunt were very contentious so it’s best I let others speak to their feelings.
    I never was as wowed by Willard as others, but Manning was a light to me….especially because of his incredibly honest autobiography.

  40. A lot of great men of God have departed. And a lot of incredible men of God remain behind. I hope to see them step up to bat and hit home runs in the coming New Year. Just remember that everyone who held the record for most home runs also held the record for the most strike outs. That says something.

    Every one present here has the potential for accomplishing much inspite of their own perception of themselves. Some of the people here are very deep thinkers and have a lot to offer others.

    Like Lonnie Frisbee once told me, “Eat the meat and spit out the bones. In other words do not write anyone off, because each member of the Body of Christ has something to offer to others. That is what one stone built upon another contributes to the wall of God. Living stones that are read and known of all.

    This house understands that well and has shown open door policy to each and every one who has appeared. We know that fish rots from the head down. If leadership is good the people under that leadership are good. And if it is otherwise then we see what happens to those under that leadership.

    This house still stands.

    And may it continue to stand under the loving leadership and compassionate guidance, that we have come to know, in the coming New Year.

    I love to ponder and to experience every post and comment. Some I bristle at and others I melt after reading and am closer to God because i came and read what was offered.

    I love that some are willing to take the risk of being vulnerable and are willing to speak from their hearts here. While on the surface what they share may not make much sense to my mind initially it always touches me in such a way that compassion rises up in me and allows me to understand on a deeper level.

    And then there are some seemingly shallow things that I read that later get through my own shallowness and carve depths of understanding that I had not before.

    There are so many premium human beings that pop in here every now and then! I would certainly miss this place if Michael were to ever throw in the towel.

    I know that there are some who come here and never have left their finger taps of a keyboard in comment but they come on a regular basis. Why?

    Because they know that if there is anything going on in Christendom they will most likely hear about it here. This has become a town hall of a sort in that sense.

    To those of us who come here regularly as one of our stops when we get on the net, it has been a blessing and a ministry.

    To every one we love Happy New Year.

    To everyone we tolerate Happy New Year.

    And to everyone else, Get saved!


  41. Interesting article here.

    I read an article, maybe a few months ago, about segmented sleep.
    Wonder if it would help me.
    I have been a chronic insomniac since my teens.

  42. gomergirl says:

    For me, Brennan Manning is the most feeling one for me. His words Taught me that there was something more.

  43. gomergirl says:

    And Derek, my dude has been reading about it too. He has sleep issues. Seems good, if you can find the right combination.

  44. brian says:

    Mr. Manning and Mr. Willard’s passing moved me as did their lives. I felt bad for Dave Hunt as I think he never thought he would outlive the rapture and the fact he passed in a Nursing home. Nothing wrong with that but it can be a lonely way to go. I was sorry to see Pastor Smith have so much struggle with that awful disease but he had his family and friends I have known far to many who died almost alone. I have seen a few times, read about some very horrid deaths that lasted days if not weeks with absolutely no relief at all, even in induced coma there were still spikes of pain and it literally sucked every single life saving grace from some poor soul. Then came the rhetoric but that is another post.

    We had several homeless in our area die of exposure, which is a kind way of saying they froze to death over this last cold snap. They all died entirely alone and in horrid pain from my understanding of the issues that happens with dying of exposure. I cant even imagine the horrors of war, those that starve on a daily basis, most likely many of them are totally alone as well.

    In all this and I have not gone through most of it, I lack the intestinal fortitude, but I hope I go out with the grace and faith that I know for a fact many of those that have walked those path did. So why did they, because even in this darkness they hoped. I want to hope as well, that is why I wish to hope. For a new year full of grace and rebirth. I wish you all a very happy new year. I wish you all hope.

  45. brian says:

    To to the 1 hour mark. It is truly evangelical macho on steroids on both sides. Dr. White of course blows Dr. Caner away in spades. It is even comical other than the stuff about Dr. White’s sister I find that utterly offensive. An aside, Dr. White with the same thoroughness you deal with so many other issues, deal with the evidence that supports the ToE and age of the earth. You win the caner argument he is a tool but if you could help us with the ToE as if it is true it sorts of puts what you speak of in a different idea. If I may offer one one suggestion irreducible complexity has been defeated in scientific and in legal realms. Just a suggestion and I have actually supported you several times even though I totally disagree with you on an almost pathological pov. You sir tick me off on a regular basis but you have been consistent and honesty requires I say that and I have listened to you from the 1996 era. Thanks

  46. Still hanging around with the 15 year old I found in 1971. No regrets there.

    C. Everette Koop died and George Jones.

  47. brian says:

    From way back in the sixth grade I told another person I would die for him because that is what Jesus said. Of course that is pathetic and stupid because I was just a kid but I meant it, most likely I was deceived by some type of demon. At least that is what I was told on several occasions. I have no regrets either, I would have been dead many years past without Christ, I owe Him my life and my soul. He is worth it He always has been, I never got why that makes me evil and a child of Satan and I never got that.

  48. Nonnie says:

    Brian, re: your number 46. I listened to the stuff about Caner. You are correct. White has sussed him out and completely shown Caner for what he is. Yet how irritating White is to listen to. He reminds me of the (obnoxious) AM 640 talk radio guys in Los Angeles.

  49. Nonnie says:

    Re my 49. I apologise to Mr. White for saying obnoxious. That was harsh and unnecessary. Certainly not a good way to start the year. Sorry, folks.

  50. pstrmike says:

    I remember AM talk shows in in LA.

    Chuck Smith’s death will be the marker of an era that for me, ended a long time ago.

    Early in my teaching ministry, someone gave me “Teaching to Change Lives” by Howard Hendricks. It was extremely helpful and I got the impression that Hendricks both understood and loved people. That book may have been more helpful to me in the long run than all the Smith, Hunt, Willard, and Manning that I have read.

    Always liked George Jones and George Beverly Shea.

  51. Neo says:

    Nonnie. Lol. White sounds exactly like Bill Handel, the guy with “marginal legal advice” on 640. White has “marginal Protestant dogmatics”.

  52. Neo says:

    White and Chris Rosebrough, the Christian Pirate Radio guy, completely pattern themselves after the blowhards on conservative talk radio. Absurd.

  53. Neo says:

    GMan. What’s up with the mom music? Lol.

  54. Neo, Neo,
    Music is timeless.
    Invite your Mom to The Bridge, she’ll hear it sooner or later.

  55. Neo says:

    My mom is in heaven, man. But I bet it’s very good music.

  56. Ah, sorry. I sincerely hope she approves of any cry to Jesus, even if it is dated.

  57. Dave Hunt. I like men who speak the truth regardless of who he pricks with ” barbs”. He always spoke the truth and had great biblical insight and foresight. Same reason I like Johnny Mac.

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