The Phoenix Preacher Podcast # 3

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14 Responses

  1. Duane Arnold says:


    Nicely done Podcast…
    With regard to the SBC, it is not about merely changing out people and leadership, it’s about changing a culture. That may be a multi-generational task.

  2. Michael says:

    Duane, thanks… I was exhausted, but couldn’t wait to experiment with this mic. 🙂

  3. Michael says:

    Changing these structures is a multi generational task…if it’s even possible.
    I have my doubts…

  4. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    So now that Patterson is unemployed, homeless and poor – is it now the church’s responsibility to take care of him in Christian charity????

  5. Michael says:

    If he was any of the above and repentant…yes.

  6. WHy is Paige poor?

  7. Michael says:

    My guess is that Paige Patterson is just fine financially…

  8. Yeah, if he has managed his money at all, he’s made a lot of money over the last three decades. Plus, I’m guessing he will still have to get severance.

    I’m not sure that I agree with the idea that Paige’s DNA is through the whole SBC. He has certainly been a large, influential figure in the SBC. Maybe the biggest of the last 50 years. His actual influence has been waning for the last 20 years. SWBTS enrollment is down 50% since he came, and that is before these scandals surfaced. I don’t mean to say that his mindset doesn’t exist in sectors of the SBC, It absolutely does, only that there have been several other powerful voices that have been gaining traction as his sway has deteriorated.

  9. Michael says:


    You may be right…but when I see the online comments about Russell Moore, I wonder how deep the infection is…

  10. It is deep, but probably only partially related to the stuff with Moore. That’s a different infection all-together 🙂

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Josh, I was joking about Patterson being poor but, he did lose his job / income, his home, and his retirement. At his age, I think he is older than me so that is old to get a new job.

    But say he was a regular working Joe at the school who was fired for cause and was stripped of income and benefits – does the church then have the responsibility to support him or do they shun him and leave it up to government welfare rolls?

  12. Michael says:

    Most churches simply can no longer afford such responsibilities even if they should have them.

    I think that’s more than a little obvious…

  13. bob1 says:

    I think it comes down to money.

    It also has something to do with what happens when you transgress the rules of
    an institution. It all depends on the original contract. Doesn’t matter what sphere
    it’s in.

  14. Jerod says:

    Can’t believe noone picked on the name of the Calvary Chapel putting Jesus bullets in kitty-cats. How appropriate. That’s like one of those typological names God gives to someone.

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