Forget the blood moon thing. I just bought Johnny Cash’s lost-new-album? “Out Among the Stars.”
Listening to it right now.
Pretty good so far.
But then again, it is Johnny Cash.
And people get mad at me when I say that the rapture theology folks are crazy. Earlier today on the Links thread I said that when people say Hagee is crazy about this stuff, especially a separate plan for Israel – they all bellow and deny it but believe it all the same.
They just have learned to fluff and fold because they know that the other 80 % of christians would run them out of the church.
MLD,
I really haven’t met anyone who think s that there is a separate salvation plan for Israel.
Maybe Hagee does, but then again I have never listened to him beyond a few minutes on TV and definitely never met him.
Sorry, but where the boots meet the ground out where real people live I have never heard this thing whereof you speak.
E, I just tried to clear X’s joke from my mind casue when I scrolled back up to look at the objects they were definitely strange looking.
Anymore examination of them and the adage “What is seen cannot be unseen” would be in effect.
Derek,
The fact that they say the Church must be raptured out first is saying that God is dealing with Israel in a different way. Why isn’t God dealing with the salvation of israel like he does all peoples and countries today? If it’s good enough for Peru, it should be good enough for Israel … but no, God has something different for them.
Just like Hagee says, the Jews have their own eternal covenant. God will deal with them according to that covenant – and the Church was dealt with in another manner.
At best I give this example. The Church is a train on track A and Israel is a train on Track B. Now they both go down life and God’s prophetic scale on different tracks carrying differnt loads. Now both tracks at one point go through the Jesus tunnel, but not together and not at the same time. Different directions, different purposes.
When I came to Christ in the 70’s everything was about the rapture. As a new believer it excited me to be a part of the 1948 generation of believers so my evangelizing was based on bible prophecy. I saw myself as the watchman in Ezekiel 33 for many years trying to get the word out so people would come to Christ.
I was sharing what I was taught and my heart was in the right place. I recall listening to CS’s cassette where he talked about having his bags packed because he was leaving before 1981. I listened to it a lot afterwards trying to reconcile things and in those days the only information I got was through CC. There was no internet or other presence to present other alternatives. I concluded the post trib folks were just as sincere as me so I backed off my negativity towards them.
I see this video and it takes my mind back to TBN when the prophecy folks were guests, especially the CC guys. I was so excited that the truth was getting out and would call others.
I imagine that’s what it’s like for people today who are caught up in the rapture craze. I get contacted when the latest prophecy movie has been made so in a sense I still experience my past a bit.
I don’t know how things will play out and I don’t have a position any more. I do know there are sound and serious people who hold to the rapture and the signs that are unfolding and I will never begrudge them that.
I also will not come against those who hold to other positions that aren’t shared throughout the body. At times I see the CC/Evangelical folks treated almost like unbelievers which I think is unfortunate. We are all part of the same body when we hold to the same essentials. I’ll plant my flag there.
I agree with erunner. We may disagree with each other, but no need to make fun of them.
Someone mentioned J Vernon McGee on another thread. He was Presbyterian until he became Pastor at Church of the Open Door. His Masters and Doctors degrees were from Dallas Theological Seminary. I remember hearing him in person at a banquet and the sermon was about the next great happening in God’s plan -the rapture. That was probably 1972 or 1973. He felt that there were no other prophecies that had to be fulfilled. He set no dates and didn’t speculate. I lean towards pre, but also think it could be pre-wrath. Time will tell.
All these eschatology peacemakers warm the cockles of my heart…
But Looney Moons takes this thing to another level. I do have to take my hat off to pstmike and the gold dust comment seeing as I hang out with those people all the time. Could be that the dust is actually moon dust.
Anyway, I do not mind being a lunatic in such fine company.
There are tens of millions of dollars to be made, maybe even more. That alone justifies it and even makes it sacred. All the guesses book deals, dvd’s etc every single one of them have been totally wrong in every single way. Yet this is the only industry that can bat zero and increase their market share. Amazing.
Not all CC pastors agree with the blood-moon stuff. I’m one who thinks it’s a big to-do about nothing. As a pre-trib, pre-mill, mostly dispensationalist, I see great danger in how folks are looking at the lunar eclipses (which is almost *always* a reddish color, or “blood moon,” by the way) in that it invariably leads to date-setting.
Do I believe the rapture *could* happen on these dates? Sure. But I believe the rapture could happen at any moment. The lunar eclipses are just lunar eclipses.
The worst aspect about this (IMNSHO) is that of all the things Christians *could* be talking about during Passion week, so many people are stuck looking at the moon. I’d much rather talk about Jesus, the cross, and the resurrection.
When I was growing up in SoCal a “blood” moon was a regular occurrence. It happened every time the moon was just above the horizon. The smog gave it a red glow. It was very common
This topic Bently devoted (arguably wasted) his time on researching, has as much intrigue as Indiana Jones trekking down the lost ark, or Misslers’ speculations on the Great Pyramids….and has almost nothing to do with the Gospel, weāre called to announce/embody.
The big “to do” about all this is decades of false prophecy and the effect it had on peoples decision making. Like erunner I was in deep. There were hundreds of young people hurrying to get married and have children because of the rapture. We called it the “rapture rush.” Many of those marriages ended in divorce when it became apparent that CS, Hal and Dallas Seminary where wrong.
Teaching has consequences. If you teach a person a bad golf swing they will struggle with a bad golf swing their whole life. False teachers are an abomination. That is why the scripture says “be not many teachers because they will incur the greater judgement.” Now you can sit in front of a television camera and calmly confuse thousands into ruining a year of life looking for mystery disasters. Nonsense!
I am a CC pastor and I think this is nothing but absolute crap. It IS embarrassing to even be remotely associated with a nut case like Bently. Since last year I have had people ask me about the blood moon stuff and I have asked them where they heard about it. Certainly NOT from simply reading or studying their Bible. Those most vocal about it are the ones who are selling a book or DVD series about it all. Create fear, sell a product on how to face the coming danger or whatever and you’ll stay in business. And, of course, after it’s all said and done, none of these idiots will admit they are wrong.
It’s like the SDA founder, Miller, who predicted that Christ would return in 1844. When it didn’t happen, rather than say “Oops. I was wrong”, he said, “Right date, wrong event. Jesus moved from one area of heaven to another to begin the investigative judgment of the saints.” The morons touting the blood moon crap will probably come up with some spin on it that will be impossible to quantify.
Idiots
Nothing gripes my hindquarters more than pretribbers claiming to make a “biblical” statement from the newspaper.
This whole blood moon thing is getting tiresome. One down, three to go. š
Thank God for that commercial break.
Well, now that I have watched this it is irrefutable… Lunacy is apparently Biblical.
Laura,
Didn’t you want to know the biblical significance of 1492? š
“Well, now that I have watched this it is irrefutableā¦ Lunacy is apparently Biblical.”
That pun made me howl!
What are those moldy-looking round objects in the bowl on the table? Are they of any prophetic significance? Or just….. bad fruit.
Other than the shooting at that Jewish Center recently, is there any other bad news that can be attributed to these blood moons yet?
If I was a “Calvary Chapel Associate/Affiliate” I’d be embarrassed. Makes guys like Steve and others look like fools to not be taken seriously.
Stay classy Calvary Chapel, stay classy. The best refutation of taking you seriously…is, well, you! LOL
What a bunch of idiotic nonsense…and you wonder why evangelicalism is in steep decline.
Unfortunately, this thing has a whole year to play itself out…
Not all is lost. He sold some books, elevated the Talmud, and made a television appearance.
Oh, and he sold some books. š
blood(y) mo(r)ons
“Lunacy is apparently Biblical.” Yep. gold dust, any one?
Forget the blood moon thing. I just bought Johnny Cash’s lost-new-album? “Out Among the Stars.”
Listening to it right now.
Pretty good so far.
But then again, it is Johnny Cash.
pstrmike,
Touche!
The producer was like, “OMG he’s a nut, get him off quick, commercial! Commmmerrrccciaaall!” LOL
And people get mad at me when I say that the rapture theology folks are crazy. Earlier today on the Links thread I said that when people say Hagee is crazy about this stuff, especially a separate plan for Israel – they all bellow and deny it but believe it all the same.
They just have learned to fluff and fold because they know that the other 80 % of christians would run them out of the church.
Come on people!!! Xenia made a joke!!!
MLD,
I really haven’t met anyone who think s that there is a separate salvation plan for Israel.
Maybe Hagee does, but then again I have never listened to him beyond a few minutes on TV and definitely never met him.
Sorry, but where the boots meet the ground out where real people live I have never heard this thing whereof you speak.
E, I just tried to clear X’s joke from my mind casue when I scrolled back up to look at the objects they were definitely strange looking.
Anymore examination of them and the adage “What is seen cannot be unseen” would be in effect.
Derek,
The fact that they say the Church must be raptured out first is saying that God is dealing with Israel in a different way. Why isn’t God dealing with the salvation of israel like he does all peoples and countries today? If it’s good enough for Peru, it should be good enough for Israel … but no, God has something different for them.
Just like Hagee says, the Jews have their own eternal covenant. God will deal with them according to that covenant – and the Church was dealt with in another manner.
At best I give this example. The Church is a train on track A and Israel is a train on Track B. Now they both go down life and God’s prophetic scale on different tracks carrying differnt loads. Now both tracks at one point go through the Jesus tunnel, but not together and not at the same time. Different directions, different purposes.
Choo Choo! š
Okay Derek, Now I’ll have to watch the video. People I know think Hagee is a brilliant teacher….
When I came to Christ in the 70’s everything was about the rapture. As a new believer it excited me to be a part of the 1948 generation of believers so my evangelizing was based on bible prophecy. I saw myself as the watchman in Ezekiel 33 for many years trying to get the word out so people would come to Christ.
I was sharing what I was taught and my heart was in the right place. I recall listening to CS’s cassette where he talked about having his bags packed because he was leaving before 1981. I listened to it a lot afterwards trying to reconcile things and in those days the only information I got was through CC. There was no internet or other presence to present other alternatives. I concluded the post trib folks were just as sincere as me so I backed off my negativity towards them.
I see this video and it takes my mind back to TBN when the prophecy folks were guests, especially the CC guys. I was so excited that the truth was getting out and would call others.
I imagine that’s what it’s like for people today who are caught up in the rapture craze. I get contacted when the latest prophecy movie has been made so in a sense I still experience my past a bit.
I don’t know how things will play out and I don’t have a position any more. I do know there are sound and serious people who hold to the rapture and the signs that are unfolding and I will never begrudge them that.
I also will not come against those who hold to other positions that aren’t shared throughout the body. At times I see the CC/Evangelical folks treated almost like unbelievers which I think is unfortunate. We are all part of the same body when we hold to the same essentials. I’ll plant my flag there.
I agree with erunner. We may disagree with each other, but no need to make fun of them.
Someone mentioned J Vernon McGee on another thread. He was Presbyterian until he became Pastor at Church of the Open Door. His Masters and Doctors degrees were from Dallas Theological Seminary. I remember hearing him in person at a banquet and the sermon was about the next great happening in God’s plan -the rapture. That was probably 1972 or 1973. He felt that there were no other prophecies that had to be fulfilled. He set no dates and didn’t speculate. I lean towards pre, but also think it could be pre-wrath. Time will tell.
All these eschatology peacemakers warm the cockles of my heart…
But Looney Moons takes this thing to another level. I do have to take my hat off to pstmike and the gold dust comment seeing as I hang out with those people all the time. Could be that the dust is actually moon dust.
Anyway, I do not mind being a lunatic in such fine company.
There are tens of millions of dollars to be made, maybe even more. That alone justifies it and even makes it sacred. All the guesses book deals, dvd’s etc every single one of them have been totally wrong in every single way. Yet this is the only industry that can bat zero and increase their market share. Amazing.
Hey! Is anyone up?
I feel my blood pressure rising
I see error on the way
I see earthquakes in the church now
I see bad times today
Don’t believe your eyes
and don’t believe the lies
There’s a bad man on the rise
I see a blood moon rising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see quakes and oceans rising.
I see end times today.
Donāt you doubt itās nigh
Well, itās out for wolves to cry
Thereās a blood moon on the rise.
I hear Hageeās voice ablowin’
I know the end is coming soon.
I donāt know where CC is goin’
I see red filters on the moon.
Sure, he’s mapped the moon
but itās apt to change real soon
Thereās a blood moon on the rise.
All right!
Hope you got your life together.
Hope you are quite prepared to die.
Looks like weāll need to find out whether
Credence is given for a lie.
You know the end is near
but that will change next year
Thereās a blood moon on the rise.
Donāt you pay no mind
for God is not the kind
to give a blood moon for a sign.
Not all CC pastors agree with the blood-moon stuff. I’m one who thinks it’s a big to-do about nothing. As a pre-trib, pre-mill, mostly dispensationalist, I see great danger in how folks are looking at the lunar eclipses (which is almost *always* a reddish color, or “blood moon,” by the way) in that it invariably leads to date-setting.
Do I believe the rapture *could* happen on these dates? Sure. But I believe the rapture could happen at any moment. The lunar eclipses are just lunar eclipses.
The worst aspect about this (IMNSHO) is that of all the things Christians *could* be talking about during Passion week, so many people are stuck looking at the moon. I’d much rather talk about Jesus, the cross, and the resurrection.
Gary–nice lyrics to our friends from CCR; clever.
Tim–I completely agree.
When I was growing up in SoCal a “blood” moon was a regular occurrence. It happened every time the moon was just above the horizon. The smog gave it a red glow. It was very common
Thanks fil
“fil?”
“Ned?”
From one of my fave movies, nyuk nyuk
Tim, I’m right there with you.
Gary, I’m reliving your # 33 and I can’t get out!!
#14 = LOL
This topic Bently devoted (arguably wasted) his time on researching, has as much intrigue as Indiana Jones trekking down the lost ark, or Misslers’ speculations on the Great Pyramids….and has almost nothing to do with the Gospel, weāre called to announce/embody.
#interestingtrivialities
Thank you, Pastors Bryan and Tim.
The big “to do” about all this is decades of false prophecy and the effect it had on peoples decision making. Like erunner I was in deep. There were hundreds of young people hurrying to get married and have children because of the rapture. We called it the “rapture rush.” Many of those marriages ended in divorce when it became apparent that CS, Hal and Dallas Seminary where wrong.
Teaching has consequences. If you teach a person a bad golf swing they will struggle with a bad golf swing their whole life. False teachers are an abomination. That is why the scripture says “be not many teachers because they will incur the greater judgement.” Now you can sit in front of a television camera and calmly confuse thousands into ruining a year of life looking for mystery disasters. Nonsense!
I am a CC pastor and I think this is nothing but absolute crap. It IS embarrassing to even be remotely associated with a nut case like Bently. Since last year I have had people ask me about the blood moon stuff and I have asked them where they heard about it. Certainly NOT from simply reading or studying their Bible. Those most vocal about it are the ones who are selling a book or DVD series about it all. Create fear, sell a product on how to face the coming danger or whatever and you’ll stay in business. And, of course, after it’s all said and done, none of these idiots will admit they are wrong.
It’s like the SDA founder, Miller, who predicted that Christ would return in 1844. When it didn’t happen, rather than say “Oops. I was wrong”, he said, “Right date, wrong event. Jesus moved from one area of heaven to another to begin the investigative judgment of the saints.” The morons touting the blood moon crap will probably come up with some spin on it that will be impossible to quantify.
DavidM – I had a few people ask me too. I like your idea of asking them where they heard about it. I’m going to steal that one from you. š
I find myself often warning against “newspaper prophecy”
Steve Wright, OK, but if you write a book about it, I want royalties!!
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Blood moon is a local event. Maybe on the far side of the moon.
and the nonsense spreads some more…