CCSPC Day 2

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  1. paigemom says:

    First? Gosh, that’s a first.
    I’m encouraged by the reports so far on the CCSPC. The last one I went to was ten years ago….My goodness, how my life has changed. God is so good!

    Covetousness …. totally. I just read a novel about missionaries in Congo in 1959. Wow.
    Talk about learned to live with little. Wow…. good reminder for me.
    I’m not much of a consumer anyhow, but ‘stuff’ in general is a huge distraction
    from what is really important in life: loving God,loving people.

    Todays My Utmost is incredible (it usually is). http://utmost.org/ God bless you!

  2. KL says:

    No, Michael…you’re not the only one!! I saw that yesterday and I immediately wanted to sell my Nexus One. Ugh…why must Apple do this to us?? Why must they also decide to be on ATT and nobody else?? GRRR…

  3. Michael says:

    I have a desktop computer to die for…an incredible laptop…a Blackberry…an iPod touch…and I’m feeling deprived.

    How in the world did Calvin make it with a quill and paper? 🙂

  4. JimB says:

    Reading Mike Macon’s notes of the various sessions at the SPC ( http://mikescape.wordpress.com ) makes me realize that there is an effort in CC to get back to the basics and simply let the Spirit simply have His way in our lives. Lots of worship, and then afterglows at the conclusion of each evening, man I wish I could be there this year…

  5. that guy over there says:

    no, i too got home and started doing the math on how to pay for a phone i hadn’t budgeted for.

    then the Lord reminded me that the rapture may be tomorrow 🙂

  6. Michael says:

    TGOT,

    If the Rapture could be tomorrow, don’t worry about the budget! 🙂

  7. ryan couch says:

    Hey Everyone,

    Just wanted to say hi…this is the first CCSPC that I haven’t attended in 8 years. I will miss eating at Texas Roadhouse, watching a movie during at least one session every year,and the late runs to Inn-N-Out with my good friends Jeff and Jay. What a crazy year…with me moving to Colorado to start a new church with Acts 29, Jay passing in April, and Jeff losing his wife to cancer.

    Please pray for Jeff Stewart and his kids. Jeff’s wife Karen went home with Jesus after fighting cancer for almost 3 years. Jeff and the kids are doing well and are have lots of support but pain like this does not go away over night, if ever.

    Love you guys…ryan

  8. Michael says:

    JimB,

    We’ll see what happens…there sure seems to be more Rapture talk this year…though it’s hard to tell from here.

  9. Michael says:

    Ryan,

    Good to see you…Jeff and the kids are on a lot of hearts right now…it’s good to know they have a lot of support as they move through this grief.

  10. JimB says:

    Michael,

    Did you read this article a few weeks ago?

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-study-reveals-most-children-unrepentant-sociop,2870/

    Kids attitudes are shocking these days, I’m tellin’ ya’. Reading stuff like this makes me want the Lord to return soon…

  11. JimB says:

    This is what we are seeing today more and more:

    2 Timothy 3:1-9, “But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith. But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.”

  12. that guy over there says:

    michael.

    that got a belly laugh.

    James 4:13-17 comes to mind.

    So if God wills… then this time next week i will reserve my iphone… but i think even the most ardent post-triber out there would agree that it would be better for us all if the rapture did happen tomorrow 🙂

  13. JimB says:

    Ryan,

    Good to see you on here. I haven’t gotten an update from you on your minisry in quite some time. I hope things are going well bro! Sadly, people forget to pray if they don’t get updates bro…

  14. james tiberius kirk says:

    …then the Lord reminded me that the rapture may be tomorrow 

    by that guy over there on Jun 8, 2010 at 10:18 am

    I thought Jesus was coming back for His bride, the church, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing….sounds like quite awhile!

  15. Another Voice says:

    Michael…in all seriousness, the command against coveting is directed towards that which is your neighbor’s, right?

    Obviously, we can have a heart for mammon and violate the Lord’s direction about laying up treasure on earth vs. heaven…We should be good stewards, buy things we will use etc.

    But to see something new, for sale, and to say “I would like that” is not coveting.

  16. Michael says:

    AV,

    It is when it belongs to someone else and you can’t have it… 🙂

  17. centorian says:

    hey Ryan,
    Good to hear from you. My grandson graduated from kindergarden today, it was good to be with family.

  18. Michael says:


    You desire and do not have, so you murder. You covet and cannot obtain, so you fight and quarrel. You do not have, because you do not ask.”
    (Romans 13:9; James 4:2 ESV)

    ζηλόω
    a set one’s heart on: 25.76
    b have deep concern for: 25.46
    c covet: 25.21
    d be jealous: 88.163
    Louw, J. P., & Nida, E. A. (1996). Vol. 2: Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament : Based on semantic domains (electronic ed. of the 2nd edition.) (113). New York: United Bible societies.

  19. Another Voice says:

    Take out the 2 historical Acts references and that Greek word is used positively twice as much as negatively in the NT instruction. The word epithumeo is also used in positive contexts a lot. Of course, James is one of the negative uses for both these words.

    And yes, I would counsel you not to murder anyone over anything made by Apple. 🙂

    P.S. Maybe you don’t have one because you haven’t asked…

    NAME IT AND CLAIM IT BROTHER!! 😉

    P.P.S. My comment was on the 10 commandments instruction on coveting. As stated, the NT has much to say on the desires (covets) of our heart..

  20. Another Voice says:

    Now, I covet some lunch… 😉 Later.

  21. Michael says:

    AV,

    You need to know how very blessed many of us are to have you here.

    It’s been in my emails a lot (and I’m two weeks behind). 🙂

  22. Isaiah56:1 says:

    I think we’ll take that as pastoral counsel in our home AV….”NAME IT AND CLAIM IT BROTHER!! ” (except I’m not a brother)

    I want one. 🙂

  23. filbertz says:

    Michael,
    maybe Calvin obsessed over a new pen or better paper… 😉

  24. Michael says:

    fil,

    You suppose? 🙂

  25. Kevin H says:

    Or maybe Calvin’s neighbor had a furrier bathrobe. 🙂

  26. Michael says:

    KevinH,

    That seriously cracked me up… 😉
    Still looking for one of those…as well as the natty hat.

  27. Mike Vincent says:

    We finished up the morning at the CC SPC and it was excellent. Dave Rolph did mention the ODM’s pretty strongly. (Michael would have been proud)

    Free ESV Study Bible for all of us CC Senior Pastor’s tonight at dinner!

  28. Michael says:

    Mike,

    Wow!

    I saw Dave’s joke about the iPad acquisition…that was worth the whole sermon. 🙂

  29. Another Voice says:

    Free ESV Study Bible for all of us CC Senior Pastor’s tonight at dinner!
    —————————————————————————–
    wait..WHAT?

    Last year we got Chuck’s biography (almost all of which I already knew thanks to the 5000 series and the Venture in Faith video)

    I picked the wrong year to skip I guess…

  30. james tiberius kirk says:

    imB says:
    June 8, 2010 at 10:31 am
    Michael,

    Did you read this article a few weeks ago?

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/new-study-reveals-most-children-unrepentant-sociop,2870/

    Kids attitudes are shocking these days, I’m tellin’ ya’. Reading stuff like this makes me want the Lord to return soon…

    —————————————————-

    Jim B

    The Onion is a completely satirical news website, that often mocks end-times minded Christians.

    So you were who they were aiming for.

    Please read the article again, with that in mind.

  31. james tiberius kirk says:

    maybe the link to the right of the story could help you see that, in context:

    “Chess Supercomputer Beaten Up By More Popular Computer”

  32. Bob Middleton says:

    Michael, I think you would have stood up and applauded what Dave Rolph had to say (Probably Tom Stipe as well) Dave emphasized that CC let anyone in, and told several stories that echoed Tom’s message yesterday that they even let Rick Warren in years ago 🙂
    Eschatology is an important part of CC understanding, but there hasn’t been an emphasis, only a couple of minutes at the beginning, and a repeat that CC leadership believes that the time is truly short.

  33. Michael says:

    Bob,

    Of course I would applaud ! 😉

    How are the messages being received?

  34. ( | o )====::: says:

    …even when battling consumerism,
    “The art of being wise is knowing what to overlook.”
    ~ William James

    Michael & peeps,
    May God supply all your needs while you rediscover the simple joy of a notepad, pencil and NOT being connected 24/7

  35. Another Voice says:

    Michael..thanks for your 12:00 brother.

    As an aside, my guess is that Calvin might have desired the lightbulb more than most anything else the future would bring. The “candlelight” factor of the ancient scholars is one I marvel at. Between the squinting of the eyes (candles) or the smell of the burning (with torches), it is a wonder any serious study could be done apart from the daylight hours. Calvin didn’t even have lanterns yet.

  36. Babylon's Dread says:

    Alas … Verizon user…

  37. Michael says:

    I’m leaving Verizon…I waited and waited…but I wait no more. 🙂

  38. deadmanwalking says:

    When you are Married you learn how to work the long process from “I want” to “I need” to “I can’t work without it.”

    Michael you can go right to the I need can’t you… now I want, and will have to start working on my wife for about a 6 months before I can go to the i need stage and yes apple causes me a problem with the 10th commandment.

  39. deadmanwalking says:

    This sounds like the first conference in years I would have like to attend, but I am un-invited now

  40. Babylon's Dread says:

    No I will not succumb to AT&T …I will wait and break the impasse one day… I will look into the Droid which I believe has a bigger market share than iphone and must be pretty good.

    But I think the days of Blackberry are numbered for me

  41. Michael says:

    BD,

    iPhone has three times the market share of Android…and the apps I use for Bible study are iPhone only with more in the pipeline.

    I’ve been hands on with the Droid…you can have mine too. 🙂

  42. Michael says:

    DMW,

    I’m married with children pragmatically if not in reality…trust me on that. 🙂

  43. filbertz says:

    all those devices don’t have allure for me…but my neighbor’s weedless yard, that’s another story.

  44. Another Voice says:

    filbertz has got to be the funniest person I have ever “met” in my life.

    I don’t know that there has ever been a time since I have been reading the PP that one of filbertz jokes didn’t deliver for me.

    I can only imagine how enjoyable school or work alongside filbertz would be – and the jokes are all clean so I need not repent afterwards!

  45. London says:

    You can webstream with a Droid BD 🙂

  46. jlo says:

    My husband loves his Droid.

  47. Mike Vincent says:

    I am sitting in the sermon preparation workshop. On the panel are Bob Coy, Skip Heitzig, Levi Lusko, and Robert Furrow. Very good… good thoughts and lots of joking around. Levi mentioned the word “visualize” and Bob Coy immediately commented jokingly that Levi is going emergent and that info must go online!

  48. Reuben says:

    I have been reading Chad’s notes on the conference thus far, and I think this could really be a serious turning point for CC on a lot of things. I am encouraged by Tom’s presentation. I too am hugely encouraged by the lack of ODM heads there.

    I had to drop AT&T because of the plan cost. I am on an unlimited plan now that is$60 a month. Can’t beat that, except it is attached to a Crackberry, and it is possibly the worst phone I have ever owned. I still use my iPhone as an iPod and of course for the zillions of apps. My wife’s iPad has me losing sleep at night. I want one of my own bad.

  49. that guy over there says:

    my brother is very happy with his droid but he keeps hoping for the day when iPhone crosses over…

    that being said. if you are an iPhone user: folders is enough reason to upgrade

  50. Babylon's Dread says:

    Michael

    Thanks for the corrective 411 I was looking for that info online and what I saw seemed to say otherwise.

    I really want the istuff but I detest AT&T …

    And Blackberry seems determined to just stand pat and not compete …

  51. Believe says:

    Can some of the pastors please read (eventually) and comment on some of the questions on Weekend Word (the most recent ones)…

    I am starving for Truth…and would like your input if possible.

  52. Jeff Stewart says:

    home for the day from the SPC……it was great to hear Rolph and relating to the ipad….Dave empowered me to get one and the mantis bible program!

  53. Michael says:

    Jeff,

    Who did you have to can to afford it? 🙂

  54. JimB says:

    JTK,

    >>The Onion is a completely satirical news website, that often mocks end-times minded Christians.

    >>So you were who they were aiming for.

    >>Please read the article again, with that in mind.

    Ok, so I got spoofed on that one. But, you know what I see those attitudes in so many kids today. I drive a school bus throughout the year and it is amazing how brazenly sociopathic most of the kids are on my route. It is like they don’t believe I have feelings or even a soul…and that I am just the bus driver. It is often shocking to me how many will say or do anything to get their own way. And, the way they treat me and each other is deplorable.

  55. Bob Middleton says:

    MIchael.
    Been away from the computer most of the day obviously but I would say it’s been received well, but that of course is from my vantage point. There is still a variety of opinion out there but there seems to be a significant change. To illustrate they handed out a booklet that had the “Top 5 books that every Pastor should read” from 50 different CC Pastors. There were many that listed “Knowing God” in their list, as well as several other well known authors from the “Reformed” camp, including RC Sproul and of Course C.H. Spurgeon. In fact the top 2 books overall were J. Oswald Sanders book on leadership and Spurgeon’s “Lectures to my students”.

  56. Captain Kevin says:

    JimB,
    I see it in the classroom too.

  57. Captain Kevin says:

    Comments from both Ryan and Jeff on this thread. The original Mr. Potato Head returns!

  58. deadmanwalking says:

    Well Michael you’ve got a long haul — my problem is I am house bound and have no possibly way the selling my wife the ideal that I need it let along can’t work without it. But I WANT ONE

  59. Dave Rolph says:

    This has really been a great conference so far- probably the best we’ve ever had, and I’ve been to them all. There hasn’t been anything profound, but the presence of the Spirit is obvious, at least to me. I think in some ways we’ve turned a corner and found ourselves back at home.

    People have been very kind about my study. I didn’t think I did the topic justice, to be honest. I tried to say too much, and rushed toward the end, in order to finish on time, which at least I was able to do. I’m sure I was more offensive in places than I should have been, and I had to fight back tears a couple times, which I’m sure looked self-indulgent and pathetic. Oh well. It’s not about me anyway.

  60. Dave Rolph says:

    Thanks Holly. I hope you are right. Yesterday was an emotional day for me, and rather draining. I feel better after a good night’s sleep.

  61. Believe says:

    Holly…yep…Pastor Dave is the Big Easy…one of the very few who rarely (if ever) comes off as a “clanging cymbal”…trying (personally) to learn from his example…often with not nearly enough success…but still trying.

    The PP family was praying for you Pastor Dave…as well as many many others from your local church family and family family. Sounds like the Holy Spirit directed your words and empowered you to deliver the message that was to be heard…many praying that the message was received and will be applied.

  62. Captain Kevin says:

    “…self-indulgent and pathetic.”

    Dave, very doubtful.

  63. Bob Sweat says:

    Dave

    I the short time that I have known you, I have found you to be anything but self-indulgent. You are real, and churches need more pastors who are real, that is not hiding behind something they are not. I respect a man, who is so passionate about what they believe, sheds tears.

    Missed you at Efest.

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