Jean’s Gospel: The Gospel Is For Christians Too

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  1. Steve Wright says:

    Jean, I 100% affirm your notice of the use of present tense as to salvation. I would just add that there are also verses that speak of salvation in the past tense, as well as in the future tense.

    It is all three. Thus, we need to analyze in what sense have we been saved, are we being saved, and will we be saved….

    We have been saved from the penalty of our sins.

    We are being saved from the power of our sins.

    We will be saved from the presence of our sins.

    In my opinion this is the threefold division of justification, sanctification, glorification. (In that order)

    Have to run today…but thought I would add this into the mix.

  2. Jean says:

    Hi Steve,
    Thanks for your input. I know what you’re getting at and we’ve had our disagreements in the past on some of these particulars, but my emphasis today is that the the Gospel is the word of God that has the power to accomplish justification, sanctification and glorification. If that is true, then it is imperative that Christians are nourished with the Gospel continually.

    The Law can show us what to do, and can reveal our failures to to what we’re supposed to do, but the Law does not give us the power or even the desire to obey. That power and desire is created by the Gospel.

  3. JoelG says:

    Thank you Jean.

    Gospel = Freedom = Honest self reflection = Confession = Compassion for sinners = Sharing Gospel.

    And repeat….

  4. JoelG says:

    Oops should’ve included repentance in there.

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The main difference with so many American churches is they fold justification inside of sanctification – whereas the proper order is to have sanctification within one’s justification.

  6. JoelG says:

    “they fold justification inside of sanctification”

    That’s not good news. That results in “us vs them” mentality. Like Christians are on another level than the rest of those “other” dirty nasty sinful people. Hence the “Christian Bubble.”

  7. JD says:

    I remember 30 years ago when I got saved. I smoked cigarettes at the time, one of the worst addictions ever. I asked the Lord to deliver me from the habit, and I distinctly recall Him saying to me: “You quit, and I’ll deliver you.” I did, and He did.

  8. Josh the Baptist says:

    I like it.

  9. Jean says:

    Josh,

    If #8 was regarding the article: Thank you. If if it wasn’t, thank you for reading! 🙂

  10. Josh the Baptist says:

    IT was to you.

    The comments have been garbage.

    (I’m kidding. I do like the article. Haven’t read much of the comments 🙂 )

  11. Steve Wright says:

    Amen to your #2 Jean!

  12. Duane Arnold says:

    “I have no idea when or why so many of our churches have abandoned the word of the cross as the primary focus of Christian worship.”

    Perhaps because the Cross is an offense and a scandal… and we want to be respectable, like the disciples trying to keep the blind man from “making a scene”…

    Jean, nice reflection.

  13. Jean says:

    Thank you Duane.

  14. Siggy the Terrible says:

    Completely off topic

    Anyone else feel totally blaaahhh…?

  15. JoelG says:

    Sometimes Siggy. My meds help. 🙂

    U ok?

  16. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I think the answer to “why so many of our churches have abandoned the word of the cross as the primary focus of Christian worship.” is that in those churches, for the believer, the cross is behind you – Jesus has done his saving work and that issue does not need to be revisited.

    So Jesus switches hats, no longer does the believer in the pew hear, you are a sinner, you deserve hell, but the good news is Jesus died for your sin to make your right with God – that message is for the last 90 seconds of a service just in case there is an unbelieving visitor in the ranks. Today, the message for the believer, the way Jesus gets preached is as the Christian’s life coach – the message switches to the believer’s sanctification – Jesus becomes the moralizer, Jesus becomes the marriage counselor, Jesus becomes your financial advisor.

  17. Siggy the Terrible says:

    JoelG

    Thanks, Just not impressed with my time management today, and it’s caught up to me :-/ and I’m off coffee… And on a diet…

  18. JoelG says:

    Yep, that will do it Siggy. I gave up lent for lent this year.

    Well said MLD. When we die, we won’t be itching to tell Jesus how much better we are than when we started. We will come as beggars, completely dependent on His work for us, His Grace, His Forgiveness. This is why we need the Gospel each day, each week.

  19. Xenia says:

    I gave up lent for lent this year.<<<<

    JoelG wins the prize for being the first one to mention this old chestnut this year!

  20. Surfer51 says:

    Siggy I can relate.

    I had to radically change my diet in my current battle with cancer.

    Vegetables, vegetable juice, fruit etc.

    I find my self thinking about Arbies Roast beef sandwich or spaghetti and meat balls and chocolate brownies and such.

    Discipline is key.

    Hang in there.

  21. Josh the Baptist says:

    Surfer – Heard about your cancer. Praying for you brother.

  22. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Joel, you are right – the goal in life is not self improvement – it is to follow the commands of Jesus.
    When Jesus commissions his disciples, he told them to make disciples by baptizing and teaching all that he commanded. What was Jesus’ message throughout the gospels?

    “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

    This is the message that every Christian needs to hear from the pulpit every week.

  23. Xenia says:

    God bless you, Surfer.

  24. JoelG says:

    Sorry guys. Not a very encouraging remark. I hope the Lord gives you guys strength to carry on with the diets.

  25. Steve says:

    MLD,
    What do you mean by this?

    “fold justification inside of sanctification – whereas the proper order is to have sanctification within one’s justification.”

    I actually like Steve Wrights #1. At least he explains the “order” somewhat by a time sequence of past, present and future but your comment seems to get more into some kind of 3-D topological folding. I’m not quite sure I get your abstraction but here is how I see it.

    Forgive me for my course analogy. But this sounds like some kind of peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Are you saying the Justification is like the “bread” and the “peanut butter and Jelly” is like the “sanctification”? Is the bread (justification) like the book ends of your Christian life where we will never see the other slice of bread until we die? Will we always be in a state of doubt, not ever really knowing we are saved unless we somehow have managed to live a sanctified life by somehow consuming the sacraments enough and using other means of grace on a regular basis?

  26. Surfer51 says:

    Thanks Josh and Xenia and Joel.

    🙂

  27. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Steve,
    I like peanut butter and jelly:-)
    I think the difference is between those who see justification as the main point and within their justification sits sanctification – but all the talk will be about Jesus’s justify work and sanctification will oooze out.
    Others, most evangelical – no creedal / non confessional churches see sanctification as the main thing in a Christians life and if you look hard enough withing, you will get a glimpse of the justified work.

    You ask “Will we always be in a state of doubt, not ever really knowing we are saved unless we somehow have managed to live a sanctified life by somehow consuming the sacraments enough and using other means of grace on a regular basis?”

    I think the answer is no, that we can be sure not because of my sanctified life or living but because of Jesus and solely by his justifying work.

    Again as I have said in the past – Jesus repents us, he justifies us, he sanctifies us and will glorify us… all by himself. 🙂

  28. dusty says:

    Still in my pryers surfer51

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