Jean’s Gospel: The Mercies of God

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  1. em... again says:

    “In our culture the phrase, “judge not,” has become a slogan. It is often misused by Christians and unbelievers alike to justify wrongdoing. It is often used as a weapon instead of a mercy.

    “Judge not” is not a universal rule, but has a very specific meaning in Scripture. To begin with, we need distinguish between offices and individuals. ”

    so glad you put this in the post… it does need thinking on… judging and holiness require us to develop the mind of Christ… humans can’t do it well on their own or so it seems to me

  2. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I have always said, when you think you have figured out what Jesus says in one of these talks, just figure it is the opposite of your thinking.
    The ‘judge not’ passage fits right into that category. First Jesus tells us “For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you.” — which makes sense.

    But then a couple of verses down he tells us to make judgments against or about people – in fact judgments that would define these people. ” “Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.”

    Don’t I first need to make a judgment about a person? Is this person worthy – or is this person a dog … or better yet, is this person a pig?

    What to do?

  3. Jean says:

    “What to do?”

    1) Begin with the relevant sermon.

    2) learn what holy things and pearls refer to.

    3) Learn to distinguish 2) from judging.

    4) Trust what Jesus says. He is not speaking in riddles.

  4. Em says:

    Well…
    Could it be that the instruction is concerning discerment?
    “You’re going to hell, but my nice granny isnt!” = judging
    Delivering a lecture to prove my Christian experience beats your humanism. .. That might be casting pearls before swine and might call for discernment… particularly in a college campus today…
    I cant think and tap out my thoughts on this tablet that I purchased for reading books…
    It could be better stated, but it’s a good topic to examine, isn’t it?

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “…just figure it is the opposite of your thinking.”

    You haven’t gotten here yet.

  6. Em says:

    Well, MLD , I suspect that what you call the opposite of my thinking I call the mind of Christ and I really doubt that we can shortcut by just concluding that doing the opposite of what I’m thinking will get me there, but then I’m not inclined to the Lutheran viewpoint, so dunno, do i? ?

  7. Duane Arnold says:

    Being merciful is to imitate God’s mercy in Christ…

    “This is the first work of God—that He is merciful to all who are ready to do without their own opinion, right, wisdom, and all spiritual goods, and willing to be poor in spirit.”
    Martin Luther

    Good advice…

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    em, you may be taking it too literally. Let’s just say, when you think you have the sayings of Jesus all figured out – think again. 😉

  9. Jean says:

    MLD is arguing against Scripture, which is to say, against the Word of God. His comments here in this thread reflect only his own opinion, and do not reflect the views of Michael, my view or the Lutheran tradition. I realize that loving our enemies by being merciful is contrary to the pattern of this world, but this is Christianity.

    I am very sad that MLD has fallen into this grave error, but I will not debate him on the truth of Scripture, however he might desire to twist it for purposes of his own agenda. Lord have mercy on us all.

  10. Duane Arnold says:

    “Therefore, is thy brother a sinner? Then cover his sin and pray for him. Dost thou publish his sins, then truly thou art not a child of your merciful Father; for otherwise thou wouldst be also as he, merciful. It is certainly true that we cannot show as great mercy to our neighbor, as God has to us; but it is the true work of the devil that we do the very opposite of mercy, which is a sure sign that there is not a grain of mercy in us.”

    Martin Luther

  11. Em says:

    MLD, I am pretty sure that what you are arguing against is confidence in a human teacher’s – or one’s own – interpretations of Scripture as infallible…? If this is your stand, I’ll stand right there with you … until you declare old Martin Luther as the closest to infallible of them all ?

    God keep all close – (praying still for the host of the PxP)

  12. Jean says:

    Thank you Duane.

  13. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Hmmm, what did I say that was even close to controversial? That the sayings of Jesus are difficult? That’s not news – even the disciples thought so many, many times..

    Jean is in grave error when he says that Jesus does not talk in riddles. His parable were spoken just that way and Jesus even tells the disciples he spoke that way to hide truth from people.

    That Jesus speaks of not judging but then another verse indicates you must? Even though the headings are not scripture, almost all versions of the bible include the dogs and pigs under the heading of You Shall Not Judge – or however they word it.

    Jean has this habit of not wanting to have conversation – he just wants to school others – but he is new to all of this and will one day mature.

    You still have not pointed to anything in my #2 that would reach any level of controversy.

  14. Jean says:

    This is only for MLD: Rom 1:22.

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    em, I read very little Luther – I think lutheran scholarship has advanced much further. I find Chemnitz and the book of concord especially the formula more advanced.
    Some modern day lutheran scholar have a pretty good take on it as they interpret Luther.

  16. Em says:

    I will declare one thing that my walk over the years has taught me… Scriptures (for me that is the Canon popular among evangelicals today… King James or a variation of same) all fit together and do not contradict – like a jigsaw puzzle, we can try to force a piece into the picture because at the moment it looks right to us, but all the pieces fit together smoothly forming just one beautiful picture
    If something doesn’t look right, then the interpretation or the placing of the teaching isn’t being rightly applied. It is a supernatural Book, of that I am fully convinced – the continuity is beyond human ability to have achieved … No other religious book has this component – milleniums of writing and just one teacber/author

  17. Duane Arnold says:

    All the confessions in the Book of Concord are binding on a Confessional Lutheran… sure you want to stick with that?

    I will agree with Chemnitz… although his is a Thomist in his thinking and structure…

  18. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Duane,
    If your question / comment / challenge was addressed to me, yes as a confessional lutheran I stand bound by the book of concord and specifically the unaltered augsburg confession.

    When you ask “sure you want to stick with that?” my answer is yes, although I know you have something roiling down the hill at me.

    Pretty much everyone around those parts were Thomists at one time or another.

  19. Duane Arnold says:

    MLD

    Only a question…

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