Kevin’s Conversations: Ready For War?

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  1. Xenia says:

    Here is my naive take on North Korea:

    Would it kill us to talk to them? To Kim?

    They are terrified of us. Our military practice sessions with the South Koreans scare them to death. They remember how their capital city was destroyed in the Korean War. They are isolated and this feeds their paranoia. Again, would it hurt to talk to them? Couldn’t we just ratchet down the testosterone for a bit and actually listen to their concerns? Some of which are valid? Please?

  2. Josh the Baptist says:

    I am almost a pacifist. from the BF & M:
    “It is the duty of Christians to seek peace with all men on principles of righteousness. In accordance with the spirit and teachings of Christ they should do all in their power to put an end to war.

    The true remedy for the war spirit is the gospel of our Lord. The supreme need of the world is the acceptance of His teachings in all the affairs of men and nations, and the practical application of His law of love. Christian people throughout the world should pray for the reign of the Prince of Peace.”

    I think we may FAR too may excuses, as Christians, for just war.

  3. John 20:29 says:

    You know who didn’t want to go to war this past week? Our generals… and any person with an ounce of common sense… were we close to doing so? i don’t know, but i do that we were ready to go had NOKO launched their threatened 3 (or was it 4?) missiles at Guam… and this administration, hopefully, acknowledges that there’s only one way to fight a war and that is to win – it would have been a horror at the very least or a world-wide epic cataclysm… a thoroughly bad thing
    too much blood has been shed to no purpose, in places we never should have sent our military

    KevinH’s good post made me think of this past week in Charlottesville – the parallels between the white supremacists and the rest of this nation and then Kim Jong-un and his people and the U.S.
    if you think the counter demonstrators were all the innocent victims of aggression (most were) you didn’t see the young black male with his homemade flame thrower or the bats being swung from both sides… call it paranoia, call it hatred, call it evil, call it by any name and you’ll not change the result… someone is going to take the biggest weapon they can get their hands on and aim it at the other side and they kill people
    i pray that the evil Kim Jong-un is taken out, i pray that the people of North Korea are relieved of their oppression, delusion and fear and i pray also that we marginalize these supremacists until their followers let go of their delusions and fears

  4. Michael says:

    What I’m seeing is that the desire to keep any form of unity, whether political or ecclesiastical is disappearing.

    We want to defeat our ideological “enemies”, whether they be neighbors or brethren.

    Part of this stems from the fact that most today have never experienced war, nor have they studied what really happens in war.

    Ignorance and fear are ruling the day.

  5. John 20:29 says:

    “Ignorance and fear are ruling the day.” that is a very sobering observation…
    because beneath the surface there is much jockeying for wealth and power in this world and we are fools if we let “them” play us… whatever our group of “us” may be…

  6. covered says:

    I just want to know if that is a picture of Kevin?

  7. Kevin H says:

    Xenia,

    Establishing much of any diplomatic relations with North Korea has been a challenge for this country for many years. With our current president, it would seem our chances of being able to do that are zilch.

  8. Kevin H says:

    Josh,

    Although I believe in Just War, I do agree with you that Christians have made way too many excuses to fit something into “Just War”.

  9. Kevin H says:

    Covered,

    I only look like that when I play paintball. 🙂

    (Actually, I’ve only ever played paintball once and didn’t look anything at all like that. Although I’ve seen others who came close.) 🙂

  10. ( |o )====::: says:

    I am with Jesus, “Blessed are the peacemakers.”
    Any human can naturally & quickly kill his brother, it’s the first account of sin being acted out outside of the garden.

    When Jesus declared peacemakers “blessed” He gave us the ultimate rage suppressing assignment, along with a few others like turning the other cheek, when oppressed, subvert by kindness and go the extra mile, love your enemy.

    I will struggle to follow Jesus on this. He never said it would be easy, but He assured us He will never leave or forsake us.

  11. Jean says:

    Great article Kevin.

    The concepts of “peace” and “peace making” are becoming lost arts.

    We also send mixed signals when we let economic pragmatism cloud our values. Specifically with respect to N. Korea, I think we could obtain a positive outcome without war, if we as a nation were willing to make it an existential issue in our relationship with China.

  12. Michael says:

    As is my usual angst, I just wish people would read a book.
    A few books.

    I highly recommend James McPherson’s “Battle Cry of the Republic” if for nothing more than his descriptions of the Civil War battlefields…it should give us all pause.

  13. Duane Arnold says:

    #12 Michael

    Might I add Barbara Tuchman’s ‘Guns of August’… it relates how the great powers stumbled into WW1 through mistakes in diplomacy and bravado. The mistakes cost millions of lives…

    JFK used it for “lessons learned” in the Cuban Missile Crisis.

  14. Michael says:

    Duane,

    I always like book recommendations from you. 🙂

  15. Descended says:

    His last name is Kim.

  16. Descended says:

    I hate to be the one to bring it into the thread, but this was the diplomatic line taken by Britain toward Nazi Germany, toward N. Korea the first time, toward Iran, and Israel toward Hezbollah and Hamas. The comes a point at which the road meets the shore and you can kick the can no further. Are we there yet? I pray for my children’s sake no.
    In the cold war we could count on the fact that the Russians were not so steeped in Communist cult ideology that they would not sacrifice their children to endless war. These days we cannot say the same about the N. Korean leaders or the Radical Islamist theocracies.

    I have said from the outset that Trump was stumping on already broken promises, and IMV he is using Christendom to further his civil agenda. He is who God has placed in the Mira Lago White House, and we ought to pray for him otherwise he will be influenced by much worse. I think many of the Remnant feel this way.

  17. Descended says:

    Sorry should say Britain toward Nazi Germany, the US toward… etc

  18. Outside T. Fold says:

    #12 Michael

    I highly recommend James McPherson’s “Battle Cry of the Republic” if for nothing more than his descriptions of the Civil War battlefields…it should give us all pause.

    +1 Thank you. I started the book, and [insert distraction here] happened. Just dug it out, dusted it off. Will take it on my center of totality road trip.

    Highly recommend Richard Rhodes’s The Making of the Atomic Bomb, which begins with war tech in WW1 and then into WW2, ending, roughly, with Japan’s surrender to the US. His 2nd book, Dark Sun takes up with post WW2, and the arms race w USSR. Reads like a spy thriller. Have thought about it on more than one occasion as current events reveal how Russia is working to destabilize NATO and… are they helping to arm North Korea?

  19. Eric says:

    I’m guessing Kevin’s friends are not the ones who will be going into battle, but sitting at the TV cheering.

    But it’s common even for potential combatants to get excited.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNwZmW5qs_I

    Applies also to the violence in the streets in recent days.

  20. Descended says:

    Outside

    Re: Russia
    I think so, how else do they get the wherewithal to build missile components in-house underneath the weight of all those sanctions? They did finance a few nuclear facilities in Iran as well, so, there’s that.

    Sorry about my comment on the other thread, somethings sound not-so-bad in my head and then when I submit it I wish there was a delete button. I think it actually helps the conversation though if we can’t delete. Now I can apologise and possibly make an acquaintance.

    🙂

    Maybe that actually speaks to the issue on that other thread…

  21. ( |o )====::: says:

    Hacksaw Ridge is a 2016 biographical war drama film directed by Mel Gibson and written by Andrew Knight and Robert Schenkkan, based on the 2004 documentary The Conscientious Objector. The film focuses on the World War II experiences of Desmond Doss, an American pacifist combat medic who was a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, refusing to carry or use a firearm or weapons of any kind. Doss became the first conscientious objector to be awarded the Medal of Honor, for service above and beyond the call of duty during the Battle of Okinawa.

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2119532/

  22. John 20:29 says:

    glad to see that no one on the PhxP thinks that war is a good solution… there is a reason that men who have seen combat won’t talk about it…
    i believe that China is the one supplying the NOKOs with technology (stolen from the West in large part, but they’re not dumb) … China, Russia, Iran and North Korea whew… the first two know that they’re playing with fire, the latter two are their clients used to keep the rest of the world off balance and distracted at best… let’s hope they don’t burn the world to cinders as they play their chess game… we who believe the Bible know that they won’t do so, of course, but they could sure make it not a nice place to live…

  23. Outside T. Fold says:

    #20 Descended. I hear you re: sounded better in my head than it did on the page. BTDT myself. Appreciate the acknowledgement.

    Also am used to an edit button. (Well, except for Twitter. But then again, I can delete a tweet. Not so a comment). Edit: Not for words, but I’d’ve liked to have closed the the </strong> (bold) tag in one of the comments. I didn’t, and a whole bunch of stuff was made unintentionally bold.

    RUS propping up NK nukes. I think there’s a NYT story that delves into that. Saw only the headline, so I posed it above as a question, not a definitive statement

    Oh, on studying war, one last book recommendation: Eric Schlosser’s Command and Control. Book examines one nuclear weapon accident, a whole bunch of near misses, and the challenge that armed forces have to ensure we don’t detonate nukes by accident. Mistakes never happen, right? Right?!? The chance that the next nuclear explosion is going to be a lethal oops! is extremely high. Anyway, Schlosser goes there. The loss of sleep you’ll get from the book is well-earned from his well-researched, well-told story.

  24. Descended says:

    Anne

    page on “dank”, I’m still lol
    https://www.google.com/amp/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3fterm=Dank&amp=true

    At any rate, your friend’s fb post is frightening in that it pastes the social mores of our era over those of the past. I think freedom of expression applies to the living as well as the dead.

    Those statues represent the ugliness and horror of a nation divided. It should always be before us, and our children should be reminded of how people subjugated others to the point of slavery. Striving to cleanse or purge our nation of horrible ideals by mob mentality is/was the method of communists (even though Antifa may be able to dodge that one particular political label). There are many such groups in existence in the US who have been tolerated for the sake of political correctness. I think they are at a critical mass now and will succeed by sheer momentum at destroying some idealized “oppression”. Only what will be left will be useless when they are finished. It is like handing a priceless heirloom from a grandparent to a four year old to cherish and maintain. When they finish compartmentalizing it, it is broken and worthless, and Mom and Dad don’t possess the wherewithal to fix it.

  25. Descended says:

    OTF

    God bless you, brother.

  26. bob1 says:

    Anyone know or can speculate on how the neo-Calvinist movement within the SBC
    intersects with this? My uneducated hunch would be that they’re leading the parade
    of the breakaway group…

  27. bob1 says:

    sorry, wrong thread!

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