Kevin’s Conversations: The Greatest Gift

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17 Responses

  1. Jean says:

    Thanks Kevin!

  2. Kevin H says:


    The funny thing is I thought of that article when I made the greatest gift reference. Now I’m awaiting all the accolades. 🙂

    Meanwhile, you don’t know how to read music, do you. Otherwise, we may need to conduct a witch hunt down there in North Carolina.

  3. Kevin H says:


    You gave us some great thoughts during this Advent season.

  4. Jean says:

    If I were an evangelical (in the popular American usage of the word), I would wonder and be concerned about why the BB wrote the satire piece Josh referenced in comment #1. Why would that article be funny?

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I love the timeliness of this article. We need to keep talking about Christmas as it is not over, but just in the beginning stages.
    Merry 4th day of Christmas. 🙂

  6. Kevin H says:


    I think it’s meant to be funny because contrasting Jesus as the “greatest gift” with all the other gift giving and receiving that so engrosses Christmas in our culture has become a very commonplace cliché. So the humor is in acting like it’s a cutting edge idea that’s going to bring all kinds of notoriety to a pastor (with the satire being how sometimes evangelical pastors do gain all kinds of attention for their “cutting edge ideas”).

  7. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean, I poke at the evangelicals all the time and I am told that I am cruel. The BB does it and it is called satire.

    However, we make the same point.

  8. Jean says:

    Yes Kevin, I agree with you. “Cutting edge” goes right along with “visionary”, “anointed”, “innovative”, and another favorite – “authentic.”

  9. Josh the Baptist says:

    Kevin, To be careful, I only read music at home. When I go to church, I sometimes sit the music upside down to make sure not to stumble another brother. 🙂

  10. Xenia says:

    In Ortholandia, the Slavs are on the old Julian Calendar and the Greeks follow the Latin calendar. This is a scandal.

    However, for us as a family, it has some benefits. On December 25 we open presents, serve a nice* dinner, and entertain family members. All the “commercial” stuff gets done on December 25, which has no particular religious significance in our home.** So that’s all over with. It was a load of fun but I didn’t feel guilty for not concentrating on the Nativity. We did go to church because it was Sunday.

    Jan 7 is “real” Christmas for us. (Jan 7 is actually December 25, Julian-style.) On that day we will attend Christmas liturgy, receive the Greatest Gift of All, and then spend the day at our pastor’s home, breaking the Advent fast and basking in peace and good will.

    * Fish for the Orthodox- it’s still the Advent Fast.
    ** Well, it is the day we commemorate St. Herman of Alaska.

  11. mk says:

    Kevin – very well written, thank you.

  12. Kevin H says:


    But reading the music upside down, isn’t that like backmasking? Do you end up chanting “All Hail Satan”? 😉

  13. Josh the Baptist says:, no…Like I sit it upside down on the stand so people will think I have no clue what I’m looking at.

    Wow, I didn’t think about what message I might be giving off. I’ll scrap the music all-together.

  14. em ... again says:

    someone waaay back suggested that pastors could work around the problem of who they could, without compromising the Faith, unite in the bonds of Holy Matrimony by refusing to perform marriage ceremonies and thus avoid the required legal requirements of the State. Instead, send your folks to the local justice of the peace who can legally record for the State your intentions/vows… then… the Church would be free to have a lovely religious ceremony – recognized by God only.
    maybe we could do the same with Christmas… pretty much as Xenia described above… or for us evangelicals we could swap ends – have a “religious” December 25th with sacred carols and a manger scene etc. and then, taking advantage of the after Xmas sales have a gift exchange on New Years… dunno – seems like it’d work… 🙂

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Luther never wanted the church to do weddings. He wanted everyone to get a civil marriage and then he only wanted to do an annual marriage blessing from the church steps Kind of like we do for the annual blessing of the animals..

  16. John 20:29 says:

    weddings seem to have become secular at best… my oldest grandson missed the chance to have his wedding in an old Lutheran Church with his paternal grandmother playing their grand and historic organ… the bride, even tho she wore an expensive silk faille ball gown, wanted to have the ceremony on a grassy field with all the guests sitting in folding chairs… ugh… another grandson was married in a field next to a cattle pasture… one was married in a nice community hall in the middle of a grassy field… there is something beautiful – or should be – about standing at the altar and vowing before God and man: “in sickness and in health till death do us part” … marriage today seems to be an event, not a condition lol

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