Linkathon 11/21, part 1
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BrianD
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November 20, 2012
- “A couple got married yesterday with their terminally ill son as best man.” (HT)
- “And I can yell it all I want, but God wonāt damn this seasonāheāll be in it.” (HT)
- “For one fleeting moment, it occurred to me: everyone around this table, myself included, would have argued passionately that our political agenda was shaped by our religious convictions. Yet those same convictions seemingly held no sway over the means we used to advance our agenda.” (HT)
- “But if you read his entire story, you’ll see it is one of hope: that even after you and your family have been hurt by arrogant and abusive clergy and their enabling lay leaders, you can find a new church where the leadership are transparent, loving, and seek to minister to you and your family.“
- “For all the talk of the Jewish vote in the recent U.S. elections, I canāt help but wonder how Canadian Jews are conceiving of their own political commitments towards Israel. “
- “We need kids who are unafraid to ask the sorts of tough and exciting theological, philosophical, and scientific questions you can only ask when you know that, however this world came to be, God did it.“
- “They aren’t interested in a 140 character-at-a-time conversation ā they simply want followers ā ones who will buy what they’re selling.“
- “Stunning pulpit vomit from…Creflo Dollarās āpreachingā as he warns his congregation that āa curseā will come on them if they say bad things about the appointed men of God who have fallen into sin. Where does this curse come from? Writing things on Facebook and Twitter.“
- “Another response, the one James K. Wellman, Jr. suggests in Rob Bell and a New American Christianity, is to see Bell as a faithful follower of Christ who is seeking to reject false American orthodoxies for a truer gospel…“
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I first was going to write one of my cynical blabber but thought, no. What a great list, there is hope for us God is good.
Please do not tell anyone I wrote something hopeful I have a rep to keep up.
Oh my Dollar and others sell God short, they appear to trade the grace and peace give to us when we serve without reward. I have experienced this beyond measure. It is holy and sweat. A buck is just a piece of paper, it is what you do with it that counts. I would not trade one memory for all their “success”.
Oh look two in a road, what is wrong with me? I must be off my meds. I refuse to let them take our joy. I will pray for him that God will awaken his soul to the real joy of pure service.
Sorry about all the positive “emotionalism” but it is thanksgiving. Pray for me that I may again find the joy I once have, and at times still see a glimpse.
Oh my I posted first.
Thanks for coming back online Michael, thanks London for your determined service, Thanks Brian D for your great links, following Christ, Thanks for Alex for his standing firm, thanks for all of you who have shown me so much kindness in my temper tantrums and unmediated passive aggressive episodes.
PS Rob Bell seems like a wonderful person but I get this desire to slam my head in the trunk of my car when I listen to him, I am sure this is me. Mr Bell no offense.
Nice , profain, linkathon! š
2.) This is great. I have definitely been where she is. She’s totally in the right place. She can’t ignore the pain or the doubt, but she keeps banking on God’s goodness. He will come through.
4.) Good to read a word of encouragement from the Watchdog. He’s right, too. There are congregations out there that are following God. But it never gets easy. Losing yourself will always require pain.
7.) Couldn’t get Kinnon’s article to work. Loved the quote though!
8.) Yeah. Creflo’s following the pattern. Scandal, don’t touch the annointed…blah.
9.) I actually agree with this idea, while disagreeing with Rob Bell’s direction. I’m glad that someone is thinking through the possibilities, and unearthing some valuable nuggets in the process.
Thanks for the Ben Irwin post
Fantastic piece… Of course I love Campolo and always have… even when he ticks you off it has an important effect.
You suspect there are groups that act the way Irwin describes… that have a culture that is contrary to the Gospel they are ‘defending’ …but it is powerful to see it play out in a story.
We Christians are pretty well muting our own voices
brian,
Love ya, man!
BrianD,
Love ya too, man! Great Linkathon again!
This from Wade Burlson blew me away:
http://www.wadeburleson.org/2012/11/thankful-for-giving-this-thanksgiving.html?m=1
And the Elephants Debt has a cool update from yesterday:
http://theelephantsdebt.com/2012/11/20/repentance-and-qualifications-of-an-elder/#more-1365
Josh, try this
http://kinnon.tv/2012/11/twitter-as-interstitialed-narcissism.html
Went back and read #3 after Dread’s response. Very well said by Irwin.
Papias, that post from Burleson is so crazy, it’s right. Wow. That’s the way to do it.
BrianD, thanks for the re-up. This one works!
Kinnon’s post is exactly why I haven’t found a real use for twitter. I pretty much blocked all the self-promoters of facebook, and now have actual interaction with people there. If I stopped following the self-promoters on twitter, I’d be staring at an empty page.
Twitter – I follow a few folks, but I’m not sure anyone would care what I say about myself in a sentence. š
I also applaud the Ben Irwin article at #3. It’s excellent.
That’s what I was trying to say about Twitter the other day, with far less success. š
#9 a very good article about Rob Bell. I’m planning to read Wellman’s book.
I read Love Wins and really liked it. I didn’t agree with every jot and tittle, but overall I thought it was good. His insistence that Christ’s redemption is enough for all is very close to Lutheranism. We’re not universalists and I don’t think Bell is, either. But we do believe that all can potentially be redeemed by Christ Jesus. Some of Bell’s other emphases familiar to me. But it will be a tough swallow for God-and-country Christians.
#2 – that unexpected peace thing … had to share the link with some people i know … thanks BrianD
It never ceases to amaze me the amount of voices out there talking about this and talking about that, all of it so “important”, so radical, so worthy of our ears. The voices weary me because they offer little. The intellectual bent that has become Christianity disturbs me on so many levels that it’s scary.
What ever happened to Jesus Christ, died on a cross, shed His blood for us? Deny yourself, take up the cross, and follow him. When did it ever become more complex than that? If we did that, if we truly denied our selves and laid down our lives and followed him, all this blather would cease and the world would be radically changed.
Apparently, that is too hard. Instead we pontificate, we analyze, we study, we read around it, we do everything but what He demanded and we end up with powerless, faithless Christianity where the captives are not set free, where Christians are not overcomers, where sickness reigns, where parishioners are shuffled from congregation to congregation looking for the newest and best thing.
What shallow brand of intellectualism are we living here? Where are the Ezekiels and the Ezras and the Nehemiahs? Where are the Peters and Pauls? We don’t have any because most men are too busy building their careers and their empires, replete with good salary, nice house, medical benefits, retirement, and the likes. It’s a career, not a calling.
I am not pointing the finger at anyone, but this is what I see in general. I look around me and I see, for example, people who can’t and don’t know how to overcome their struggles because they do not know and have never been taught how to stand on the promises of God. And these folks, these prisoners, are left to listen to what is called Christianity in this country, this powerless, weak, anemic thing we call faith.
This is my angst, I know. I have posted on this board for a few years and I am notoriously and always ignored. This will probably be my last post because I don’t know how much more analysis I can take and I’m really tired of being ignored because I don’t participate in the intellectual discussion. It’s not a discussion to me. It’s real life. It’s what we used to call, back in the seventies – Christianity. Not that it was perfect, but it wasn’t loaded with all this intellectual blather by people who should be ashamed that they have left their first love and married their opinions. Our religion of opinion is boring, useless, dead, and of no use to the world. It isn’t going to set the captives free or save them from Hell.
If Jesus had taken all his time to analyze what every one was saying, he would never had time to follow the Father. And people wonder why people leave churches. It’s not just because of spiritual abuse. It’s because it doesn’t offer anything more than a secular social club. It’s powerless, and mostly faithless. It’s a nice warm social club, for the most part.
I do not say this to attack anyone here. I’ve just had it. Jesus asked if when he returned if he’d find faith. My answer is probably not. Faith is now substituted by intellectual blather and opinions, useless, worthless, powerless ideas that do little other than to add to the confusion of weak Christians who don’t know the truth.
I am leaving. I have enjoyed much of what I have seen here, but I’ve reached a point in my life where I cannot listen to the intellectual arguments anymore. If following Christ, if deny ourselves, if living the real Christian life is not enough anymore, then all IS lost and it’s going to take a mighty move of God to change things. I’m going to spend my time praying for that rather than reading the chest beating dialogue of the many men who call themselves lovers of Christ.
Michael: I appreciate and applaud your love for God and for other people. This is not directed at you. This is my thesis and I apparently have no where else to nail it. It is also not directed personally at anyone here. It is directed at the lie that has become Christianity in this country, with which I am done.
Bravo Judy!!
You said much of what I’ve been thinking but an not nearly as articulate about being able to state.
Judy, this is a site where many of us exchange ideas. This is not the extent of our faith, it’s just something we do during the day. Talk to other people about aspects of the faith. I hope that most of us are trying to follow Christ everyday, but if we are limited to that one sentence, then it doesn’t make for much of a discussion.
judy,
“Deny yourself, take up the cross, and follow him.”
This is why we have these discussions – and sometimes loudly. What does this mean? I am at work today, not denying myself but trying to earn a living – should I be out doing what Arthur Blessitt used to do, go get a real cross and walk around the world with it?
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You ask “Where are the Peters and Pauls?” – they were arguing with each other during their day – read Galatians to see some strife.
Not that we don’t get petty here sometimes, even led by me – but I think we have had some very good discussions here.
And it’s not like we blog to the exclusion of everything else – the rest of the “take up your cross.”
You guys are missing the heart of what Judy said and wander presenting arguments about why you argue.
SMH
London,
Judy has her opinion of what she can do with her freedom in Christ and I have mine. But I have never tried to restrict her freedom as she has done here with us.
Millions of Christians do not read or participate in this blog or any blog – and they are free in Christ to abstain.
I know you will not agree… call it 6 yrs of experience. š
On the flip side, I am not offended when she calls our conversations “intellectual blather and opinions, useless, worthless, powerless ideas that do little other than to add to the confusion of weak Christians who donāt know the truth.”
Judy, i hear you … and you’ve just posted so much truth and wisdom – yet, strangely, this is the only Christian blog site that i visit because i love to “hear” real people talk about Christ
if there are arguments or pontifications (my specialty) they just may come from a love of God’s Truth and from being tried in the fire – if you hear their words, you can tell that many here have been through a great deal and, just maybe, they don’t expose their wounds for all to examine simply because, as you’ve pointed out today, “it is all about Christ”
without meaning to do so, i think that you have just described what i call “performance based Christianity” … which isn’t quite the same as bearing fruit … to be honest it is in discussing the Faith that i grow in it and “do not get weary of well doing”
this is a strange season, so many people seem sick and tired of so much and yet there’s nowhere, really, to chuck it, to be rid of it
MLD,
You just proved my point exactly.
No one was trying to restrict your freedom.
You’re just being ridiculous for the sake of being ridiculous.
I like some of what Rob Bell says, and I think some of his methods are innovative – so on those points I give him a thumbs up.
But I have watched some of his videos and I think he gives some of the people who ask questions a little too much latitude when they say something really offbeat and he just leaves it open ended, as if being correct doesn’t matter. That drives me a little nutty.
let me add to my last pontification that it is goads like Judy’s that make it hard not to share my life’s experiences … maybe i will someday, but you’ll have to pay to read it š
even tho there is some religious pap that creeps in on occasion, i revel in such conversations as take place on the PhxP
London,
I have read your comments for years and I find them to be “intellectual blather and opinions, useless, worthless, powerless ideas that do little other than to add to the confusion of weak Christians who donāt know the truth.”
My 26 was a joke – I should have included a š or perhaps a š
I like the idea of Rob Bell. I don’t like Rob Bell himself. Seems like a bit of a poser to me. Like he wants to be the intellectual, deep-thinker, but his books are very surface-level, run of the mill, juvenile, doubt. He includes things as arguments, against particular parts of Christianity, that are historically false, and never takes the time to correct them.
I’ve read Judy’s post three times now, trying to think what my response would be if the exact thing was said to my face by someone in the church after service. Someone I knew, that had sat in the church as long as Judy has ‘sat’ here at PP.
And what I keep coming back to is this.
While I certainly do not assume to be the Holy Spirit in anyone else’s life – my suggestion, Judy, is that you pray about whether the Lord is moving you to the mission field in another country.
I say this will all seriousness. I’ve had the privilege to watch a few people over the years move on to a foreign land, and they all sounded a lot like Judy.
I hope you pray about it.
Judy,
Um, you posted…
” I have posted on this board for a few years and I am notoriously and always ignored. This will probably be my last post because I donāt know how much more analysis I can take and Iām really tired of being ignored because I donāt participate in the intellectual discussion.”
So, here’s the thing, no one has a “right” to interaction, it has to be earned by engagement, conversation, addressing individuals.
Your post is akin to a suicide bomber strapping it on in desperation and demanding to never be ignored. Let’s do this. I promise to read your post and reply and treat you as an individual, but let’s understand something here, this is an “intellectual” medium because it is about ideas in the form of words. What else are you expecting from a blog that cannot easily support the posting of images? I’m an artist and photographer and would love that richer media but were going to be hobbled by the limitations and you’re just going to have to be understanding, ok?
“It never ceases to amaze me the amount of voices out there talking about this and talking about that, all of it so āimportantā, so radical, so worthy of our ears. The voices weary me because they offer little. The intellectual bent that has become Christianity disturbs me on so many levels that itās scary.”
On this quote, I agree with Judy 100%. Kind of what Kinnon was saying about twitter. A million little quotes a day from 1 million people trying to style themselves as some sort of authority. We definitely need more servants and less gurus. My only opposing point was that I have to sit here for 8 hours a day, and I enjoy passing that time talking to you guys about faith.
Judy, good rant š
I liked a lot of it, but some minor push-back with this part:
“If Jesus had taken all his time to analyze what every one was saying, he would never had time to follow the Father. And people wonder why people leave churches. Itās not just because of spiritual abuse. Itās because it doesnāt offer anything more than a secular social club. Itās powerless, and mostly faithless. Itās a nice warm social club, for the most part.”
I agree with the “social club” part in many places in the “church”…especially Calvary Chapel (from my experiences and so many testimonies from others).
However, I think “spiritual abuse” is equally a big reason why folks get disillusioned and leave as well. I spend a lot of time in Atheist communities and other communities that are not (or no longer) churchy churched-up folks. Many of those who are now disillusioned were once in church and were spiritually abused. It’s just a sad fact that is growing and growing and we can ignore it or discount it, but it’s still there and getting larger.
See Judy, you get interaction when you speak your mind, take a risk and say something compelling and provocative š
#6 – we won’t really **know** there is a God until He shows His face (either at the end of this life or the end of time) … BUT there is a good reason why the Bible says that the fool has said there is no God – simply because of the same argument … what we can do is pray for good teachers, to teach our children to think and reason things out, hone their instincts for eternal truths, there is logical reasoning behind mankind’s sense that he is a created being … after one works through that then one can go off in search of God … it is IMHO the honest heart that finds Him, that responds to HIs voice … the atheist is, i think, a deluded whistler … the agnostic? well, IMO, he is the waffler; coward may not be too strong a word, though – dunno
Judy, I’ve posted here for about six years and my posting has diminished a lot the last few years. Many times I drop by and comment, not really looking to converse but to express what happens to be on my mind. So when posts are overlooked I don’t mind as I stated my piece.
I will say when things get heated around here it’s easy to get lost in the fray as so many different conversations are taking place. I understand if this type of blog isn’t for you as bottom line it’s not my business.
If there is still a part of you that would like to interact it takes a bit of effort but it’s very doable. You have so much to say and I think you’d fit in here if you gave it another go. Either way have a wonderful Thanksgiving.
I disagree with Em’s take regarding Atheists and Agnostics (respectfully, Em is a gem).
Though there are some who fit that description out there (I’m sure)…many just have a World View that relies heavily on Empiricism and logic/reason and they just don’t see a compelling argument or a compelling example in the “church” or from Christians that gives them enough reason to believe or casts enough doubt in their “no God” or “I dunno” positions.
I think it really does take God’s intervention (via the Holy Spirit) to “save” someone…even to the point of being initially convinced to even consider it as Truth. Whether that is Monergism or Synergism (splitting fine hairs), dunno for sure.
I do think that God’s action is highly part of the process of belief. Some are born into belief Sociologically/Culturally/Familial-ly …while others take some real intervention by God (often through means like circumstance, other people etc).
I think many Atheists and Agnostics want more proof and want God to interact like He did in the Bible. Where are the real verifiable supernatural miracles?
We see a lot of Benny Hinn miracles, a lot of TBN miracles…where are the real ones? Show me one documented supernatural miracle today?
I’d personally like to see it, though I don’t need it to believe, just so I can help others who are deeply skeptical.
In fact, what would be real interesting…since the TBN’s, Benny Hinn’s etc are so into money…
Some Group should post a $100 million reward for anyone who can document a medically verifiable real supernatural miracle. If these miracles are happening all the time, as many claim, then that would be some incentive to the constantly-begging-for-money “miracle” workers out there.
I’d love to see God manifest Himself today, like He did throughout the Old and New Testament. I think it would really change a lot of minds. I don’t know why He doesn’t, but for some reason it just appears very different today than in the Bible with regards to the Supernatural.
I have seen many documented supernatural miracles. Sinners, who hate God – are enemies of God, turned into the children of God by having water poured on them and the spoken word preached to them.
Gimme my money!
I think that the Bible speaks very specifically about miracles. The rich man was told that even if someone (Lazarus) came back from the dead they wouldn’t believe. Jesus himself performed miracles and the people gave all the credit to Satan.
Talking miracles to atheists is a dead end
If Jesus appeared and interacted today, as he did in the first century, I am pretty confident that the out come would be the same. Well, in fact with today’s technology, I am sure that the populace would string him up before 3 years … perhaps in the first 6 months.
Soft miracle or what they call a weak miracle. I agree they are miracles none-the-less…but why no Strong miracles today? Early Church seemed to have them.
It appears the miracles were to validate Jesus as Jesus and the Apostles as the Apostles etc etc…why no Strong Miracles today to validate?
Strong Miracle = a lame man walking, a blind man seeing, a severed ear healed by simply placing it back in it’s previous position, water turned into wine etc etc.
Just one would silence a lot of those critics.
Dunno why we can’t find those types of miracles today. What changed from the Early Church until now? Is it that we lack the power of the Holy Spirit? Do we lack real faith? Is it a Cessationist thing like Johnny Mac seems to claim?
Judy,
You said what has been on my mind for a long time. If God is leading you in a certain direction then follow and let no Man stop you. Institutional Christianity will suck the life out of you many times with it’s over analyzing and many times lack of real relationships. Much of the evangelical Church has become obsessed with the latest fad be it conferences, books, programs of 40 day purpose, new insight, the latest cool speaker, everything but what you said-Dying to self and dying to this World. As my Collgee teacher said; “Keep It Simple Stupid”
Dread does say he’s seen Strong Miracles. It would be great to get one documented by the medical community so as to have it to present to Atheists / Agnostics as the one documented medically verifiable example they always ask me for.
Why can’t we do that?
Judy said:
‘What shallow brand of intellectualism are we living here? Where are the Ezekiels and the Ezras and the Nehemiahs? Where are the Peters and Pauls? We donāt have any because most men are too busy building their careers and their empires, replete with good salary, nice house, medical benefits, retirement, and the likes. Itās a career, not a calling.”
These Men are around Judy but theyare not accepted by the Mainstream nor do they care if they are. These Men serve in anoynimity and don’t need or care for the accolades.
i repeat myself, but IMO ” it is the honest heart that finds Him, that responds to HIs voice” … it is the height of arrogance to say (as many of us will confess to having said) that the onus is on God to meet my terms – prove Himself – and then i’ll return the favor – if i like what i see
Two points –
1.) count all the miracles in the book of Acts, especially after chapter 2 – not that many considering Acts covers about a 30 yr period. I think we would be seeing less than one miracle per yr.
2.) I don’t remember for sure, but I think after chapter 9, you don’t see anymore miracles in Jerusalem.
The miracles were for a time and a purpose. Plenty of people still get saved without the need to see a miracle.
“so as to have it to present to Atheists / Agnostics as the one documented medically verifiable example they always ask me for.”
I already addressed this – they wouldn’t believe it. They would say, “sheesh, I’ve seen Chris Angel do better stunts than this!
Think about this – why is an unbeliever called an unbeliever?
I’m waiting for amputees to be restored, ’til then I believe miracles are wrought in the soul of the grieving to find divine comfort, the fearful courage, and the greedy to become generous
Alex,
I think you look at your atheist friends as dissatisfied consumers, and if God were a good merchant, he would do whatever it takes to make things right with the dissatisfied consumers
as to needing signs … they will get their signs eventually Rev 13:1&14
“And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
….. And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.”
pray for those who are holding out for miracles
‘If Jesus appeared and interacted today, as he did in the first century……………………….”
I think some evangelicals would nail Him to the cross again.
Loved Ben Irwin’s article! I know that I have said this a dozen times, my daughter worked for Tony while she attended Eastern Baptist. She speaks highly of his faith and commitment to Christ. She has talked with him at length about his faith which is something most of his critics have not done.
Judy said a lot of good stuff back up there … but none of us here think the shoe fits? is she right? Rueben walked away because he was offended by the way he perceived his guest to be treated here on the PhxP by folk like myself? this site should be for folk like Judy and Rueben and i’ve been doing some soul searching about posting – others here usually get around to saying what i’m thinking anyway .. most of the time š
most of the time, i think like erunner said that he does, i speak what i’m thinking and move on to see what the next guy says … but, unlike erunner, i’m not too concerned when my words offend – i’m always surprised when someone responds, in any way, to my words
MLD, you make some valid points above.
MLD said, “Alex,
I think you look at your atheist friends as dissatisfied consumers, and if God were a good merchant, he would do whatever it takes to make things right with the dissatisfied consumers”
I just have a heart for Atheists / Agnostics and wish they’d believe, that’s all. If hell is real, I don’t want anyone to go there, even BG.
MLD said, “if God were a good merchant, he would do whatever it takes to make things right with the dissatisfied consumersā
I do think God is “good” and don’t understand sometimes why He wouldn’t give folks what they need to believe these days.
It appears that in Jesus’s time, He did real miracles that validated Jesus as Messiah. The Pharisees saw the miracles and hardened their hearts and didn’t care.
I really think that some Atheists / Agnostics who saw real miracles today wouldn’t harden, I think they’d reconsider their position.
Em, I have considered those verses from Revelation as well. Maybe that’s how the anti-christ (if it’s a real singular person) deceives so many and is supposedly embraced by so many…maybe he does some real Strong Miracles and even Atheists / Agnostics believe at that point. Dunno.
Sad that so many don’t believe and that so many base that non-belief on a lack of evidence of the supernatural.
Alex,
God has given us everything to believe – that’s why you, me a a billions of others over the years believe. The atheist is not lacking anything from God. Some, it will come later in time, others has rejected what has been given to them.
Unbelievers are like the guys who say, I will play on your baseball team if you change it to football.
Alex, i don’t think it is the fact of the miracles, themselves that is the point – remember when Herod asked Jesus … Luk 23:8-11 “When Herod saw Jesus, he was very glad, for he had long desired to see him, because he had heard about him, and he was hoping to see some sign done by him. So he questioned him at some length, but he [Jesus] made no answer. … And Herod with his soldiers treated him with contempt and mocked him.” …? …
It’s funny what people know and what they choose to believe or act on. When the wise men came to Herod to ask where the child was to be born, he had his special guys look it up and they said Bethlehem… do you think one of them said, “hmmm, maybe I will check this out.” – they all had the info and were not interested enough to seek.
So, Judy, I’m back from work and have only a small handful of suggestions and a few words for you.
Spend time volunteering with London.
Want to see miracles? Spend the next year at a recovery ministry, here are 2…
http://www.theeffect.org
http://www.capobeachcalvary.com/bridge/default.aspx
Stop looking for some wistful pipe dream from the ’70’s. I was a hippie Jesus People kinda Christian, lived it, had to grow up from my idealism. The culture has evolved, and it’s time to engage. God is radically busy in 2012 and has plenty for you to do into 2013.
Where is healing? Go spend some time with critical care nurses and you’ll see the very power of the living God touching families and patients.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.”
Mahatma Gandhi
Peter to Jesus, “Lord, what about him?”
Jesus to Peter, “…what is that to you? You must follow me.ā
Now, if you actually care to have a relationship and conversation, then stop reading my response and start a dialog, I’m all too happy to engage
The writer of the Gospel of John ended the document with these following words…
“Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.”
Tell me, what did Jesus write in :: your :: book today?
Blogs are …
1. No place to have your feelings on your sleeve
2. Not particularly safe for people who need approval
3. Not generally nice as they are chances for everyone to go 95 Thesis on anyone
4. Not well suited for pretentious entrances or grand exits.
5. Not that suited for prophets … so many voices no one is heard.
6. Not worth getting your knickers in a knot
7. Not really much different from dying… you get forgotten pretty quick and replaced soon.
I appreciate all the people who left the room before they stunk it up.
Thanksgiving Dread
Dread,
Love your “Homer Scream”
I expect millions to get saved when missing limbs start appearing miraculously.
I also accept the principle about not hearing Moses, oddly enough.
I don’t think Jesus caused any missing limbs to appear… did he? Maybe that is one of the ‘greater things’ he spoke of.
Em,
The whole point of keeping the blog up is that it’s not for any particular section of the Body of Christ…it’s for all who choose to participate.
For me to function in the Body I need all of you…and I think that’s true for the Body, period.
Bill’s post was good. The Irwin post was fascinating.
Dread, maybe raising the dead would be considered slightly more impressive than restoring missing limbs? š
Virgins can have a baby with today’s technology. The “dead are” often brought back in instances where they drowned in cold waters, etc. To some this must seem like godhood on some level. Things we do with modern technology may seem godlike for many. Yet these same people reject the notion God has done so much more. In some sense I imagine the tower of Babel is here today. Some have gone so far they have had their hearts hardened by God and will never believe. One day they will bow before the King.
Raising the dead happens a great deal … It happens often in some ministries… but I don’t want to be the one to have to prove that here…
The biggest miracle would be unity among believers…
E said, “Some have gone so far they have had their hearts hardened by God and will never believe.”
Very Calvinist of you š
Dread said, “The biggest miracle would be unity among believersā¦”
That’s about 3rd or 4th biggest IMO.
Biggest miracle would be a CC leader actually admitting they were wrong, confessing, repenting and seeking reconciliation.
I hope everyone has a wonderful thanks giving. God be with you all.