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  1. filbertz says:

    I would concur that a chaplain’s toughest job is being the bearer of tragic news. This is true of our first responders chaplains too. An equally difficult role is the Casualty Officer assigned to work with the family for the next several months. When our son died, our CO was particularly helpful and compassionate and became a respected friend of our family. We have maintained communication despite the end of his official duties.

  2. Corby says:

    I really, really like the Mars Hill article. There is some important and significant processing there. I particularly like the documenting of who left churches when and why. It’s a fascinating observation about “celebritypastoritis.” Who is there for the pastor? Followed by who is there because their friends are there? Followed by who is there for Jesus and His body?

    It’s got me looking at my own departure from ministry a few years ago, then transition through mega / celebrity pastor church, then to trying to figure out what a church is even supposed to be do, and how to be a part of one. The article is also relevant to my getting back into ministry over the next few months to help an aging church grow a “next generation” as the current one is literally dying off.

    One more interesting dynamic is the preparedness of local smaller churches being ready to deal with the fallout when a mega/celebrity church implodes. I hadn’t seen that written about before in this way and found it very intriguing.

  3. Xenia says:

    Eastern Orthodoxy: Keeping Christianity Weird Since 33 AD

  4. WenatcheeTheHatchet says:

    any word on the Darrin Patrick situation? He was the guy that MD said in 2008 was his pastor. Removed in 2016, was it?

  5. EricL says:

    I liked and hated the Mars Hill article. I liked the insight into what happened to so many people after the church collapsed- the influx of folks swamping other churches. I hated that it downplayed Mark Driscoll fleeing from elder discipline. I also disliked this silly line near the end of the article:

    “Mark changed the face of Christianity in the United States for this generation. Mars Hill helped popularize the neo-Calvinistic movement and complementarianism. In the early stages, it was a vital component of a return to conservative biblical family ideals.”

    Driscoll was just a blip on the screen, not history-changing. And I feel his hang-ups on sex, his disrespect of women, and his example of bullying did nothing to drive a return to “conservative biblical family ideals.” But that is just my opinion.

  6. John 20:29 says:

    10 things the missionary won’t tell… raises many questions and ponders, too

  7. Wenatchee The Hatchet says:

    The TGC article is a somewhat mixed bag. Whoever Braga is, there’s no way to sustain the case that Mars Hill collapsed in just a couple of months. Given how few people may have rushed to speak on the record and given how thoroughly MH was purging online content in the volatile two final years it’s hard to dredge stuff up.

    That said, since somebody DID keep tabs on that kind of stuff it’s possible to demonstrate through the fiscal year reports of MH from the 2012-2013 FY periods and leaked information from The City that numeric decline had already begun in 2013; that though mid-tier donors and major donors escalated giving the base of the donor pyramid was starting to check out, between Fy12 and Fy13 the number of members who gave nothing at all went from about 23% to about 35%. Adding plagiarism and Result Source controversies to that situation and the misinformation on the part of MH leadership about the “Good for Bellevue” campaign and cataclysmic collapse of MH is not really that mysterious. Sad, certainly, but not that mysterious. There’s a bit over here if people want to read about that:

  8. Jim Jacobson says:

    Thanks as always for some great links. Being in the NW, the Mars Hill story caught my eye. It’s an interesting perspective and I appreciate the great lessons learned. I think that folks within other groups like CC should be paying attention. I found the following quote interesting…
    “not having “an 800-pound gorilla that overshadows every other small- to mid-size work” has been a good thing for networks, Fairchild said. Mars Hill “planted churches without working for a collective approach,” making it easy for smaller churches to feel hurt or passed over…”

  9. Jim Jacobson says:

    @5 yeah he was a blip. He did change a lot in the NW however, and I think it’s a mixed bag.

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