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  1. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    OK, I must always be on the backside of the wave of culture driven Christianity. Who the heck is Julie McMahon – who is her unnamed husband and why should the blogosphere care?

    I said this with the Bruce Jenner thing – are we nothing but voyeurs and gossips? And her publishing “her story” what is that all about?

    I need a bullet in the head.

  2. Michael says:

    Julie is the ex wife of emergent star Tony Jones.
    Her story is a textbook case of how celebrity pastors shred women and are supported in doing so by their peers.
    It needs to be publicized, damned, and stopped.

  3. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Oh, for a moment there I thought we were speaking about Christians – but I see it’s just emergents. 😉

    So it’s the continuation of a messy divorce?

  4. mike says:

    I’m with mld.

    I hear Joan Rivers from the grave “can we talk here?”

  5. Bob Sweat says:

    Come on MLD! She’s the wife of Vince of WWA fame. 🙂

  6. Michael says:

    I’m going run stories like Julie’s early and often when I believe they have substance and I don’t give a tinkers damn what anybody thinks of me doing so.
    The Don Stewarts, Tony Jones, and Mike Kestlers of the world count on people being quiet and covering their evil.
    I will not be quiet.

  7. Em says:

    the thing i never seem to hear these days is the responsibility of “the other woman” in the scenario of the broken home (could be “other man”)… do we assume that, in the context of personality Christian leaders-so-called, the man is sooo irresistible and the woman so needy or flaky – the new object of his ardor/affection just couldn’t help herself?

    i wonder how many women there are – in and out of the Christian community – unsung heroines – who saw a business or social relationship start to heat up and chose to remove themselves from the situation (sometimes at personal expense, i’m guessing)
    man or woman, there have to be those who’ve denied the passion/attraction and got out of there before something did develop?

    just rabbit trailing a bit…

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Julie seemed to have been very happy he was gone.

    “When he was gone I noticed how much happier I was. I knew then that I was in a toxic relationship with a man who did not care for me or about my feelings. I felt he wanted to hit it big as an author, speaker, theologian, and become a celebrity of Emergent. I certainly was not going to be holding him back.”

    Then it seems like it was all quiet on the western front and then … she opened up again after 7 yrs on the naked pastor.

    But I did like this one quote because I do believe it describes not only the emergents but all those who put a different spin on Jesus.
    “I was my husband’s biggest fan and so proud of him until I realized the movement and theology he was creating had everything to do with ego and man and nothing do with God.”

    Hey, messy marriages make messy divorces – toxic marriages make toxic divorces. No matter what either party says – neither gives a hoot about the kids.

    (I read the article twice and I found the previous blog posting and comments on the naked pastor from several months ago). Reminders of the movie War of the Roses

  9. The Dude says:

    Being retired military I can speak with some knowledge about Christianity in the military. Believers have always been a minority. Hostility is nothing new or unique.I saw a few chaplains loose their carriers because they refused to compromise the Gospel.This was in the 1980’s and 90’s.Most senior officers tolerated or ignored the chaplaincy. Laymen like myself lived under a constant state of ostracization from my chain of command and peers.

  10. Papias says:

    Julie’s story is so hard to read, not because she uses difficult words, but because you can tell that she has lived it.

    “I have learned now that while those who speak about one’s miseries usually hurt, those who keep silence hurt more.”
    ― C.S. Lewis

  11. Em says:

    read Julie’s well thought out defense – how sad it is that “my wife is difficult” is all it takes to justify looking elsewhere – nothing used to make a man less attractive, less manly in my eyes, than when he complained to others about his difficult wife

  12. Em says:

    and a post script to my #11 … complaining about difficult children? that’s altogether different; it shows a caring Dad (or Mom) IMNSHO 😆

  13. ? says:

    Julies story is a sad story. It brings to mind all the abuses many have experienced.
    But why would her husband sue her 3 times a year?
    Is it for custody of the kids? (she already mentioned she got them in the divorce-so what could it be he is sueing her for?)
    And how could she lost $500,00.00?
    I’m not doubting her-I guess the information given seems incomplete in that regard.

  14. OK, so I have all 5 grand kids coming over this weekend for a sleep over – I told their parents to not show up. I ponied up the $100 for the pay per view of the Mayweather vs. Pacquiao fight.
    Kids from 4 to 12 will learn the manly sport of boxing! 😉

    They watch regular boxing and wrestling with me – so I figure why not the fight of the century?

  15. Michael says:

    I wouldn’t put a nickel in the pocket of that serial abuser of women.

    I’d pay to see the bastard turned loose in the woods up here and try to fight his way home…

  16. Michael – look at it this way – it’s like I am hiring a hitman to give him the ass whupping you want to give him.

  17. Babylon's Dread says:

    Rachel is great at pushing back and putting Bird on his heels without actually answering his questions. I thought she was whip cracking strong at turning the tables while not actually engaging him. Rachel’s faith is basic cultural progressivism with religious language. The reason breathed text of modernity trumps the inspired text of historical Christianity. Bird picked the fight and she rose to the occasion. I would like to hear more about why you labelled it as “takes out” …

  18. Michael says:


    She had not responded when I originally posted the link.

    I concur in your assessment of the responses… although I don’t think she rose to the occasion of anything but assuring us that gay rights are the center of her apologetic.

  19. Papias says:

    For the Preston Sprinkle debate, I appreciate the tone of the discussion.

    But the content and resolution, not so much.

    Is the tactic to obfuscate the entire discussion and place the subject into relativity?

  20. Michael says:


    I couldn’t disagree more.
    I thought Sprinkle thoroughly dismantled the gay apologetic and defended the traditional position very well.
    He’s just so darn nice about it…

  21. Ixtlan says:

    I’m surprised that there was no response on Michael Bird’s letter to Rachel Held Evans. It was a very well written article that expressed the problem with The Episcopal church and their relationship with the Anglican communion. While the Anglican church is rather broad theologically and inclusive, The Episcopal Church departed from traditional biblical interpretation in favor of a cultural friendly hermeneutic, and in doing so, have rendered themselves outside many circles of orthodox thought and practice, of particular importance, within their own Anglican communion. In short, any one can recite the Apostle’s Creed, but do you believe it in the sense that was articulated by the church councils and how it has been traditionally held for centuries? Revisionism, particularly in acquiescence to perceived cultural relevancy and political correctness, is a dangerous game.

  22. Michael says:


    ” In short, any one can recite the Apostle’s Creed, but do you believe it in the sense that was articulated by the church councils and how it has been traditionally held for centuries?”

    Nailed it…

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