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  1. everstudy says:

    Please tell me that last link is satire… please?

  2. everstudy says:

    Oh, and FIRST! (my first first, I think)

  3. Michael says:

    That last link had been “liked” over 10,000 times when I copied it…

  4. Michael says:


    Congrats! 🙂

  5. Let me repeat here what I tweeted on Jonathan Merritt’s Driscoll apology: “Discernment = not confusing a PR piece with an apology.”

  6. Michael says:


    Exactly…especially when it appears that he’s apologizing for style, not content.

  7. Julie Anne says:

    An appropriate apology at this point from Driscoll would be to step down from ministry. Anything less at this point is all show.

    BTW, Michael, thanks for the article shout out here and also for your previous article on JD Hall. I’m working on one right now. I’m so disgusted by the behavior of JD Hall who defended himself in a podcast posted a few days after his Twitter conversation with Braxton Caner.

  8. Michael says:

    Julie Anne,

    I concur.
    When you have that article up please let me know…I’m going to write on it again as well.
    The more the better…

  9. brian says:

    “Please tell me that last link is satire… please” From what I can see it is not, but no this was the norm in my first church, there was a global conspiracy looking to have most of us die horrid deaths only to be resurrected so most of us could be sent to hell for ever in our eternal bodies.

  10. Rob Murphy says:

    The article on Ebola by Alvin Reid has its logic backwards. He cites that Christians in bygone days were the last to leave plague riddled areas. So Now, we’re going to be the first to bring in the plague?
    As Christians, we’re making a choice for a post Christian nation to be benevolent to “us” because we accepted the risk involved in going to a plague ridden nation and now we’ve made a choice to introduce the plague to our homeland?
    That is not well thought out.
    These Christian Docs who are infected are The Experts in dealing with this disease, following (presumably) the latest and best researched protocols . . . and they got it. So we bring what we think is a strain of Ebola we’ve correctly identified into our country, but this particular strain managed to jump cordons on the protocols and prophylactic methods the experts were using.
    We’ll decry the history of white dudes giving smallpox blankets to the indigenous populations in our past, but have no problem with us as Christians actually BEING the smallpox ridden blankets.
    What a fascinating dichotomy in the headlines. A nation should not purposefully bring death to humanity to protect borders, but religious people can purposefully bring death to humanity because it is intended as compassion.
    Intellectual whiplash. Alleviate mass suffering or introduce mass suffering. If we’re imitating Christ, shouldn’t we as individuals be willing to lay down our life rather than let our personal comfort put a nation at risk?

  11. Michael says:

    I believe our government stockpiles some of the deadliest agents known to man.
    There is undoubtedly some risk here…it seems that we believe we can control that risk.
    There is opportunity here as well…to save a life and possibly learn to save thousands more.
    Maybe God will honor that risk…

  12. Rob Murphy says:

    Our government does stockpile the deadliest agents known to man.
    And recent news stories tell us they ‘stockpile’ them on a high security supply closet shelf next to the Sweet N Low and coffee filters and accidentally ship these agents to random, wrong locales.
    Ever feel like we’re handing a grenade to a Rhesus monkey?

    There is an opportunity for terrorists to learn not to lob missiles into another nation… but we’re risk averse to That learning curve.

    Maybe God will suspend the rules of Gravity for the next guy who commits suicide, but I’m not comfortable prescribing jumping off anything over 4 feet tall.
    Asking God for a miracle and daring Him for a miracle are worlds apart, but in the name of “Compassion”, I have yet to hear a good Christian rationale for why collapsing an economy, shrugging off the rule of Law and casting aside the Science of Medical Quarantine are not daring God for a miracle.

    Roulette isn’t Roulette when all the chambers are loaded, Faith notwithstanding.

  13. Michael says:

    I’ve yet to see anyone advocate collapsing the economy,shrug off the rule of law, or cast aside medical science.

  14. If one wants to see how a Christian bravely dies, go and read Ignatius’ epistle to the Romans.
    We don’t believe any should die, but that letter shows a different view.

  15. Michael says:

    I should have noted that the last link was satirical. To be completely honest, it fooled me.

  16. Dan from Georgia says:

    re last link…and remember that the Illuminati has total control of all the serum for Ebola….

  17. Babylon's Dread says:

    Are there no pictures or video of this group of protestors at Mars Hill? Seems there would be many.

  18. Michael says:


    There’s a bunch on Facebook…

  19. Michael says:

    This is how blogging can make you crazy…I thought this was strong line up today…crickets.

  20. A lot of effort and publicity produced very little. If I were MD I would consider it a victory.

    Today’s lineup may yet fire up … never know about this crew.

  21. Michael says:


    If we measure this by the 100 or so that protested, he can call it a victory.
    It will be short lived…

  22. Xenia says:

    Thanks for the link to the Theological Commons!

  23. Michael says:


    That was my weekly link that only you and I will appreciate. 🙂
    This looks good too…

  24. Babylon's Dread says:


    Press coverage, blogs, Facebook campaigns, publisher censures, former pastors repenting of abuse, reports of dropping revenues. All of that and he seems to be just hunkering down and weathering it all. The release of the PN vulgarity blog was incredible…still not much result.

    Let me just say also that the associate pastor Dave Bruskas from my city has by all that I know an impeccable reputation and I believe that he is genuinely a very good man. I do not know how MD captured his attention and allegiance but I quite liked Dave when I knew him better and cannot imagine he has changed much. He was a man with real conviction, a concern for the poor and a desire to make a difference.

    I do not know where all of this will go. I am surprised after all this time that you think public pressure will amount to enough to make a difference.

  25. papiaslogia says:

    – Jonathan Merritt accepts Driscoll’s apology and thinks you should too.. –

    “Others claim Mark must resign as pastor of Mars Hill Church. I agree this is probably best. Not because he needs to pay for past sins, but rather because his pattern of behavior indicates to me that he should spend time with some wise counselors who can help him sort through whatever he’s spent his life inappropriately processing.”

    I would agree with this statement. Accept MD’s apology, but also ask that he step down from being pastor of MHC.

    I do think that the title of his piece is a bit……condescending.

  26. Michael says:


    Public pressure is not enough.
    The Mars Hill protests have been done very well…there has been little rhetoric and lot of education happening.
    That is where it will work eventually…as the rank and file are confronted with facts…and more leaders resign.

  27. Babylon's Dread says:


    Can you summarize the Caner son controversy? Is it my understanding that there is a cyber record of adults bullying the lad before he committed suicide? I have not seen a simple post to say what is going on here?

  28. Michael says:


    I referenced this on Monday.
    Reformed Baptist pastor J.D. Hall engaged the young man in a rather creepy, sanctimonious, condemning fashion on Twitter about three weeks before the young man took his own life.
    The link I posted at #27 gives the details.

  29. Coming up for air from an emotional video editing project about nurses who sacrificially serve their patients and those patients’ families, nurses who are noble, who are strong and inspiring, I encounter this controversy and quote from a “Christian” pastor, J.D. Hall, trying to justify his cyberbullying of a teenage kid who weeks later commits suicide…

    “… Why is that not relevant, and why can’t I say it? Well, kids are off limits! Great! You got a verse that says that? “

    I’m reminded of a recent conference where I had the privilege of engineering live sound and creating a podcast for OCCSP, where the presenter, the world renown Jewish scholar David Solomon, aptly summed up God’s call for His people within the 10 Commandments. David is Australian, so please appreciate the flavour and accent of his astute scriptural commentary which follows…

    “Don’t be a dick!”

    …there’s yer verse right there, “brother” Hall

    Back to noble nurses…

  30. Babylon's Dread says:

    JD Hall needs a verse about causing children to stumble?

  31. Mark Driscoll? – JD Hall? (I have no idea who he is outside of this immediate conversation) – when you think about it, Joel Osteen is the man’s man when it comes to evangelical pastors. He does not hurt – he affirms.

  32. Neo says:

    G. Lol!

  33. Neo says:

    Dunno if that last comment was sincere or snark, MLD, but I think that’s true.

  34. The issue in the Middle East – 5 min, must see

  35. Ixtlan says:

    Didn’t Carter leave the SBC years ago?

  36. Babylon's Dread says:

    Now I want MLD’s commentary on Prager

  37. Prager is pro Israel and what he said is true.

    However, as I stated yesterday, the only solution is to abandon the Israel project as a failed human attempt to make our conscience feel better, Send the Israelis back home to New York City, Miami Beach and the Fairfax district in LA.

    What was done to the area in 1948 was no different that what was done in the Balkans when enemies were force to live together. That wrong was righted – let’s do the same in the Middle East and if we play our cards right, we can get gas down to a buck a gallon.

  38. brian says:

    “we can get gas down to a buck a gallon.” Now this is the sacrament and it is holy on its face and we should pray for this amen, ….. NOT.

  39. “Send the Israelis back home to New York City, Miami Beach and the Fairfax district in LA.”

    So, you mean only those over 69 years old?

    JD Hall seems like a real jerk. To implicate him in the death of Braxton Caner is sinful.

  40. Babylon's Dread says:

    Hall has to live with himself
    Caner has to live with himself and without his son
    All who are blaming have to live with themselves
    Let’s be thankful we have nothing to do with it and stay out so we can live with ourselves
    This is a good time to avoid Calvinist discussions of sovereignty
    I can live without that

  41. Babylon's Dread says:


    All I know about Israel is that I am glad I do not live there but your solutions sound untenable. The blood is not going to stop. Hatred is a bad brew keeps aging.

  42. In the Balkans, they live together still. I know, I helped bring them back to their homes.

  43. x says:

    May the Lord have mercy on the young man’s soul.

    Does anyone know *why* he killed himself? Is it known for a fact that it was because of the conflict with this Montana pastor? If it is not known for a fact, probably people should step back.

    Lots of reasons young people kill themselves.

  44. Michael says:

    This is a brilliant piece on the Israeli/ Gaza situation.

    “At its very core, this is a tribal religious conflict that will never be resolved unless people stop choosing sides. So you really don’t have to choose between being “pro-Israel” or “pro-Palestine.” If you support secularism, democracy, and a two-state solution — and you oppose Hamas, settlement expansion, and the occupation — you can be both.”

  45. Nonnie says:

    I’m with Bab’s 43 and X’s 46. What Hall did was disgusting, but none of us know what was going on in the mind and heart of that poor kid.

  46. Love how “simplistic” is thrown around in all the articles now to say that no one but article writers and people that agree with their articles have the requisite knowledge to have an opinion on the conflict. I see that usually their opinions are actually that we should not have an opinion.
    “If you support secularism”…lot of people here are all for that aren’t they? I am sure that will go over well with all the parties involved in the conflict.

  47. Michael says:


    Why are so opposed to recognizing how complex all the issues that beset our society are?
    Did you read the article?
    It presented all sides…and if after reading all sides you still think this is a simple matter, i have no idea what to say to you.

    Some people support secularism…I doubt that many here do, but those who do are involved in this matter as well and any solution has to include them.

  48. I am sorry, did I actually say they weren’t complex issues?
    I object to people thinking the solutions are so complex that they want to freeze up and do nothing and claim because they are complex we need to basically present no solutions.
    Simplistic now equals “shut up” while the criers of complexity fret and wring their hands.

  49. I can solve the rubik’s cube or take it apart and put it back together correctly.
    Both create the same end result, but one is simplistic.
    Sometimes, simple works.

  50. Daniel says:

    @ Babylon (post # 24), I have no doubt that when he was in Albq, Dave B was in fact a good man. However, power, a large income, and a good dose of kool-aide tend to change a man in short time.

  51. All this cry of “simplistic” is just to belittle ideas while presenting none.

  52. Michael says:

    “All this cry of “simplistic” is just to belittle ideas while presenting none.”

    Actually it’s trying to see problems fully so solutions can be made that address them fully.

  53. I just thought of a simplistic solution to this crisis.
    I will work it out on paper and present it at Open Blogging.
    I know people on here won’t like it, but it shortcuts a lot of your complexities that seem to hamper any other solutions.
    It involves some amount of warfare, but should short circuit a lot in the future as the warfare does not have to include Israel to any degree.

  54. Looks like Driscoll is having another bad day. Acts 29 cut him.

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