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  1. Xenia says:

    Everyday Saints is a gently humorous book that everyone in my world read last year.


  2. EricL says:

    I was too busy writing to do much extra reading (two novels and a business book released in 2013, yeah!), but one of my favorite reads this year has been this website. I’m so glad that I discovered this site, Michael. Thanks for many thought-provoking posts, sir. You put your heart into the Phoenix Preacher and it shows. God bless.

  3. Michael,

    What can you tell me about Erskin and what he might add to the Lonnie Frisbee discussion?

  4. Michael says:


    Thank you, sir!

  5. Michael says:


    It’s a good historical overview of the movement.
    It’s weakness in my opinion is certain figures are more prominently featured than others I think were more important.
    It’s not real helpful in understanding more about Frisbee…DiSabitino still has the best work on him.

  6. Bob says:


    I don’t know you but if this is true: “two novels and a business book released in 2013, yeah!”

    I congratulate you and wish you the best in your writing pursuits. I find writing, especially well, is one of the special gifts of God.


  7. EricL says:

    Thanks Bob.
    Yup, its true. Published two fantasy novels this year under my own name and one business book under the company name of Genuine HR. None of them are great tomes like the one above that Michael declared his “book of the year”. Menn’s work isn’t something you can churn out like a genre novel. My writing is meant to entertain (and hopefully make people think a little too), while a comprehensive study of eschatology is another matter. Kind of like the difference between your favorite snack food and a formal seven-course meal. You might like both, but they don’t compare.

  8. EricL says:

    Oh yeah, on Michael’s music question:
    I never have been a fan of declaring anything “best” or “favorite” but I do listen to my share of contemporary Christian music online while working at home. (Sometimes have to drown out my two fun-loving kids so that I can concentrate). Thankfully, we have a good station here locally in SoCal. If you are in an area that is without of a decent station, you might want to try KSGN online.

  9. stu says:

    My favorite snack food is Key Life when I can get it. My music is old too. My fave Christmas album is We Wish You a Merry Christmas by Ray Conniff. The Nutcracker is great as well.

  10. Already shared my fav books of the year.

    Music has changed for me over the years.
    Always loved classical and still do.
    Not so much into Rock and Roll as I used to be, I think listening to too much has made it stale. Rock and roll has stagnated since the 90’s.
    Pop has never been good to me.

    Last few years been getting into jazz and older country.

  11. drunken bum says:

    Pink Floyd

  12. #3

    Stan Frisbee (he lives around the corner from me) gave me a book to read about his brother that was written by Roger Sachs, a close friend of Lonnie Frisbee. I read it, and since Lonnie was one of my close personal friends I believe my opinion on it matters. I can say that everything in the book rings true. David Di Sabbatino is a younger man from Canada who did not personally know Lonnie, and did an awesome job in his own research of the man. But Roger on the other hand does a magnificent job.

    Here is Roger’s website:

    Here is a video that Roger uploaded to youtube where we get to see Lonnie in his home speaking about Christian stuff in general. Most people, after watching Lonnie in this particular video, remark that they can see Lonnie’s chraisma come across from the video to them.

    Here is a post about Lonnie on my blog:

    Meri Crouley is currently working on a movie version about Lonnie’s life. I was told by Stan that she has embellished his life a bit in the script. But that is what one does in movie scripts to hold the viewers interest…

    BD I can put you in touch with Stan if you would like? You can get my email from Michael. Stan is the person you need to talk with if you want to know anything about Lonnie. I might also mention that Stan is a lot like his brother when it comes to ministry. He is very prophetic and a great teacher.

  13. stu says:

    I read the Shekinah blog about Lonnie. Lonnie was an influential part of the Jesus people movement but he did not start the Jesus people movement and he did not start Calvary Chapel. I enjoyed Lonnie’s afterglows for a season but I wasn’t a follower of him (or Chuck). Lonnie was charming, easygoing, and funny. He was very likeable. But one has to move on; to grow up.

    I have David D’s video on Lonnie. It seems to be missing something. I don’t know what. I don’t mean something negative, but something at Lonnie’s core, something a reporter couldn’t discover.

  14. Thanks David… contact me at babylonthegreatfallen@yahoo.com

  15. David sloane says:

    You would be correct, technically neither Chuck Smith or Lonnie started Calvary Chapel. I was 11 when I lived on Church Street in Costa Mesa, directly across from the little Calvary Chapel church of Costa Mesa when Chuck became it’s pastor. Some of Costa Mesa’s “John Birtchers” were the ones who actually started that small church. I have had the honor of drinking coffee with some of the original men who were in that church before Chuck arrived.

    That church grew only after Chuck Smith And Lonnie teamed up.

    You are also correct in that Lonnie did not start the Jesus People Movement. It started over two thousand years ago.

    Might I suggest you get a copy of Rogers book on Lonnie, it has that something of the core of Lonnie that David by design left out of his documentary. David avoided the supernatural side of Lonnie for some good reasons when it came to marketing his documentary.

    He wanted to reach a wider audience and sell it for profit. David’s own words to me (I appear in his documentary) were, “today I am sitting on a mountain of cash because of the Lonnie Frisbee documentary.”

    I am not opposed to “moving on and growing up” but once you get a touch of the Holy Spirit you will never forget it. In fact you will spend the rest of your life seeking after it again…

  16. stu says:

    I never experienced anything out of the ordinary at the afterglows. I was seeking all God had for me. I loved the testimonies of those who had been touched or healed. (Even the lady who Lonnie said was healed of very close veins.) What I remember from those days wasn’t the touch of the Holy Spirit but all the talk about it. I remember the wonderful peace I had when I repented and confessed my sin. God was right there in the room. Jesus was right there in me. I was no longer at odds against God. Perhaps that was enough for me. Maybe that’s what God had for me. I look back and I wonder what else God could’ve or would’ve done in me if I had let Him, or if it was even up to me at all. I don’t think it was.

    The Jesus movement was not a Calvary Chapel phenomenon. It was worldwide. People were getting saved across the board in many denominations. I suppose Chuck and Calvary became a focal point due to the great numbers of druggies and other assorted losers in the area (like me). Also due to the affluence that afforded Maranatha! Music and the proximity to Hollywood. Lots of losers there.

    It was probably Lonnie more than Chuck who drew more people to Calvary. My favorite Teacher was Chuck. I liked Tom Stipe too.

    When I say I moved on and grew up I mean I my theology started to take shape and a ministry started to gel. My family was getting saved and God led me away from CCCM. Do you still do the things you did the first year or 2 after you became a follower of Jesus? Do you attend meetings where the leader walks down the aisle touching people and they fall over?

    There is no doubt that God used Lonnie. No question. Chuck’s words at his funeral were not appropriate. I do disagree with what I came to realize Lonnie’s theology was though. Now I have to watch the video and look for you. I respect your views. I like your attitude.

  17. ” I was seeking all God had for me.”

    Probably the worst teaching in Christianity. Any church that does not assure you upon salvation that you have at that moment “all God has for you”

    A pox on them.

  18. stu says:

    Way to go MLD! You score another slur. Another in your endless list of shallow backhanded insults. Of course the greatest thing God “had for me” was forgiveness of my sin. That’s a no brainer. You surf in the bathtub.

  19. victorious says:

    I am just starting to read my favorite book of 2013 which will also place it as a top candidate for 2014 as well.
    Gary Black’s book on the theology of Dallas Willard and the accompanying articles from the
    Missio Aliance blog that engage this book are accomplishing exactly what I was looking to do privately on my own.

    Michael, thanks that I found out about both off them through you!

  20. Nonnie says:

    Hi, Vic!!!

  21. stu,
    I will excuse your lack of reading comprehension, and I will let you explain in your own words what it is that you were still looking after salvation that you think God had not given you yet. Your words ” I was seeking all God had for me.”

    You’re not one of those guys who believes in the ‘2nd blessing’ – like the first is not enough?

  22. Xenia says:

    ” I was seeking all God had for me.”<<<

    Far from being the worst teaching, it is the one of the best teachings. It is about living our lives in Christ to the fullest extent possible, not wasting time on trivialities and worldly vanities.

  23. victorious says:

    Hi Nonnie! 🙂

  24. stu says:

    I’m watching the Frisbee video. One clip featured Steve Zarit who I worked for as a paste-up artist. I lettered his car. I still have a pic of it. If I knew how to upload it you could see a blast from the past.

  25. Rick Gonzalez says:

    “Start” by Jon Acuff may be a book that I need to read. I did not think I would have to start again and again but that may be the case unfortunately.

  26. Michael says:


    I never though I would recommend a “self help” book, but it really is a valuable read.

  27. stu says:

    When I confessed my sin to God I got more then I was expecting. I wasn’t looking for anything specific. I just wanted God’s help. I didn’t know what that would be. I didn’t know I would actually feel God’s forgiveness. I didn’t know He would actually come and live inside me. I had no idea that He would turn me around and start a work in me. I was surprised at the sense of peace God gave me. When I say sense I mean a literal spiritual sense like one of the 5 senses.

    As the days and weeks unfolded I kept discovering more aspects of my new life. It was like strolling through a mansion; discovering and experiencing each room with it’s custom woodworking and adornments. It was exciting finding out about the complete ministry of the Holy Spirit in me. I read about who I became in Christ and what I was becoming. I wanted to know more. I wanted to know all about this Christ who willingly died to redeem me.

    Ephesians 1 became my adoption papers. John was my model. I wanted all God had for me.

    MLD- I don’t give a rip what you excuse or don’t excuse. My life isn’t up for you to scrutinize. Xenia is right (as usual). Thank you! This is eternal life- to know God. That’s what I want.

  28. #17 MLD,

    You quote,

    ” I was seeking all God had for me.”

    And said,

    “Probably the worst teaching in Christianity. Any church that does not assure you upon salvation that you have at that moment “all God has for you”

    A pox on them.”

    I say, a pox on who?

    I wonder what you would say to apostle Paul for telling us this:

    1 Corinthians 12:31
    But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

    Paul is speaking to already saved’ Christians.

    After all you say we have all at the moment of salvation…

    And I wonder what you would say to Jesus Christ for saying,

    Matthew 7:7
    Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

    Some times I think that you are always wanting to be an antagonist here.

    The fruit of the Holy Spirit is what?

    Be nice…

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