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  1. Nonnie says:

    Wright nails it and says what many of us have tried to say. He just says it much better!

  2. Bside says:

    “Partisan animosity has increased substantially over the same period. In each party, the share with a highly negative view of the opposing party has more than doubled since 1994. Most of these intense partisans believe the opposing party’s policies “are so misguided that they threaten the nation’s well-being.”

    As a progressive, I’m very happy to see the Tea Party taking over the Republican Party.

    “The movement is very good at organizing its own, but it is doing little to attract new voters the GOP’s way. If anything, the party’s rightward drift is pushing people out. In December 2010, 33% of Americans told Gallup’s pollsters they considered themselves Republicans. Last month, only 24% did.” Wash. Post

    Keep up the great work!

  3. Nonnie says:

    Just read Preston Sprinkles article . Grace, truth and love adorn each word. Excellent. !

  4. Paige says:

    I appreciated Preston Sprinkles article as well. My ideological ‘ideal’ is to behave that way. Unfortunately, my guts won’t allow it.

    I have been pushed into having to deal with this subject on an almost daily basis as my grand children’s mother is marrying her girlfriend. My grands this this is ok, are in fact, excited about it. Try as I have to acquiesce and be calm, I simply cannot, cannot accept this sort of thinking with any sort of honesty. it will cost me time with my only grand children.

    In the article by NTWright, one of the comments suggested perhaps that church folk should adopt the term ‘holy matrimony’ since the word ‘marriage’ has been hijacked.

  5. Steve Wright says:

    , but it is doing little to attract new voters the GOP’s way

    2008 Obama elected with a 257-178 House majority and a 59-41 Senate majority and a 29-21 lead in governor houses

    2009 Tea Party created

    2010 All 435 House members face reelection. Republicans gain 63 House seats, (They also gain 6 Senate seats and 6 governor mansions)

    2012 Obama easily reelected against the most non-Tea Party aligned candidate imaginable, Mitt Romney

    2009-2013 Republicans go from 29-21 governor minority to 29-21 governor majority

    2014 All predictions are that Republicans easily control House once more, control majority of governors and are about an even bet to take back control of the Senate (and it does take 3 elections for a full Senatorial cycle to take place – unlike the House)

    P.S. – Both I and a whole lot of people who think the same way politically as me no longer identify as Republicans when asked…so interpret those Gallup polls about party identity through the lens of actual election results.

  6. Ricky Bobby says:

    Steve, well put and agreed.

  7. Jean says:

    I agree that Wright’s interview was excellent, and I was enriched by his discussion around the idea and consequences of changing the meaning of words. Very good?

    I have been subscribing to Preston Sprinkle’s blog for a long time. Last year he did a long series of blogs on the topic of same-sex attraction. He addressed what he believed to be the best exegetical arguments for the bible permitting monogamous same sex relationships. He also subsequently wrote a series of blogs reviewing Matthew Vines book, God and the Gay Christian.

    In my opinion, Sprinkle does an excellent job in both tone and substance (the best I’ve seen) interacting with the opposing viewpoint in a polite, patient and respectful manner, using solid biblical exegesis. He has studied this issue thoroughly and effectively debunks the “pro-gay” position.

    If you’re interested in reading some of the most current exegesis (pro and con) on the relevant scriptural texts (OT & NT) touching on this topic, I recommend Sprinkle’s blogs which are archived.

    In my experience, whether it’s this issue, eschatology, the historicity of Genesis 1-3, or whatever, if you want to improve your understanding and ability to defend your position on any topic, the best thing you can do is read the best opposition you can lay your hands on with an objective mind. You might find in some cases that you were wrong, in other cases you will find that you were correct, but in every case you’ll learn something new.

  8. Bside says:

    Yet another nitwit religious conservative…

    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) on Tuesday repeatedly confronted a faith leader — who also happens to be a noted church-state separatist — about his Christian beliefs during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on religious freedom.

    “Do you believe in sharing the good news that will keep people from going to hell, consistent with the Christian beliefs?” Gohmert asked Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director for Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

    Lynn responded that he wouldn’t agree with Gohmert’s “construction of what hell is like or why one gets there.” When Gohmert pressed him to say whether he believed people “would go to hell if they do not believe Jesus is the way,” Lynn again answered that he thinks failing to ascribe to a certain set of Christian beliefs doesn’t necessarily doom a person to hell.

    “No, not a set of ideas,” Gohmert insisted. “Either you believe as a Christian that Jesus is the way, the truth, or life, or you don’t.”

    “Congressman, what I believe is not necessarily what I think ought to justify the creation of public policy for everybody,” Lynn countered. “For the 2,000 different religions that exist in this country, the 25 million non-believers. I’ve never been offended. I’ve never been ashamed to share my belief.”


  9. N T Wright has ensconced himself as the most eloquent and powerful advocate of things pertaining to Biblical Christianity that can be found. So he simply declares what marriage is and that it cannot be declared to be what it is not. Perfection…let’s stand there and let the stones fall where they are thrown.

  10. I continue to be amazed that gay people feel the government has a compelling interest in regulating their relationships. I suspect they will not like it as much as they think.

  11. Michael says:


    Sprinkle isn’t real popular with my readers, but i absolutely love the way he thinks through and exegetes an issue.
    His book on non violence is excellent.

  12. Michael says:


    When Wright is good he’s great…and this was great.

  13. Does anyone tell pollsters the truth? I don;t. I probably get a polling call each week and if I have the time, I play with them.

  14. MLD they have you statistically factored in 😉

  15. JonnyB says:

    Having painted the home of a retired senator who lived in Newport Beach CA, I can clearly state, that after talking with him, there is no two party system. Only one part with an agenda behind the scenes and seemingly two up front for the sake of the people…

    He was a “lobbyist” and told me that it was such a great income producer, more then when he was a senator. Politicos is good business if you want to make bank.

  16. Steve Wright says:

    The most amazing thing about that survey to me is to look at the responses on government provided healthcare the past 15 years. Consistently getting high 50s to mid 60s approval that the gov should provide universal coverage before it actually happened, now that Obamacare is getting put into practice in the last two polls of 2012 it ran 54-44 against and in 2013 it is now 56-42 against. And that is even with the unilateral delays in the mandates, taxes and other problematic issues of the law that Obama himself changed.

    It did not take a prophet to predict the results, but it does require a slight clue on economics and how business works, basic supply/demand realities, what employers think before they hire new workers and so forth. Not to mention human behavior being what it is (what? You mean healthy people in their 20s are not going to run and purchase coverage for hundreds of dollars to avoid a small fine because Obama asks them to and they see some cartoonish internet ads?)

    And it serves as an example of how hard it is to stand against popular opinion when something sounds good in theory and not be called hard-hearted or an ideologue. My opposition was that Obamacare would HURT far more people than it helps, and it has – and it isn’t even fully implemented

    And my love for my neighbor did not want to see him/her get hurt by unrealistic intentions.

    And so now the polls are showing this truth born out. There is no other reason to explain why we would see such a dramatic shift in opinion between the theory of what gov OUGHT to do when they weren’t doing it, and the reality after the law gets up and running and the people have been given what they said they wanted. The other poll questions make a lot of sense either in their consistency on some issues or the change on others (i.e. greater homosexual acceptance over the last decade plus)

    And as an aside, the poll shows that those who think no on the gov require still massively support the safety net for the poor and elderly in Medicaid and Medicare, despite the false charges often tossed their way.

  17. Steve Wright says:

    As an aside to that last point. I am informed by some people in the health industry that are active in our church that in our region it is now almost impossible to find a physician willing to take Medicaid patients – it was difficult before, but Obamacare has just about killed the availability for the poor, and so they are back to resorting to the ERs – at least around here.

    As too could be predicted easily.

  18. Billy says:

    Ya Steve…but there is a viable opt out option for Christians.


    Way lower cost.

    Check it out.

  19. Ricky Bobby says:

    Populism is on the rise. As a Libertarian Populist I Iike seeing the trend.

  20. Jean says:

    RB, I think a case can be made that Libertarianism is both unbiblical and unchristian.

  21. Jean,
    I am no libertarian, but I would like to hear your case there. Libertarian is a label, but it in no way says what I do in my private life – just what I think my role is in government.

    I could want a total “hands off” government, but do much charity work on my own.

    I guess what I am saying is that you miss the whole ‘God reigns in 2 Kingdoms’ thing.

  22. Jean says:

    So, MLD, do you want to hear my case, or have you already made up your mind that I miss the whole…? There’s no point in presenting any case if you’ve already made up your mind that I’m wrong.

  23. yes, I want to hear your case, because my understanding is at odds with bringing government action into the biblical readings.- perhaps you have a slant I don’t understand.

  24. Jean says:

    OK, I am out this afternoon, but will present my proposal this evening.

  25. Steve Wright says:

    I appreciate the idea behind the Christian medi-share plan. However, I would personally not put my family into such a program. It is NOT insurance and the fine print is very disconcerting. I am not saying it is a scam in any way. But, (much like the idea behind universal healthcare) it works well when people are rarely sick and at most have rather minimal needs. So I guess it is better than nothing for the uninsured, but it is hardly a solution to one’s health insurance risks.

    For example, there is a lifetime 6-month max for prescriptions for any one disease/condition. Yikes. Plus, I question the voluntary aspects to the program as a whole. But I won’t get into all that….

    The bottom line is NONE of these payment mechanism alternatives address the fundamental issue of the cost of healthCARE – (not insurance but care) I continue to believe that true reform will only be achieved when we exclude all the minimal, routine expenses from insurance coverage – just as we do with every other form of insurance in the world…and then encourage the growth of health savings accounts where consumers can negotiate on those routine needs (plus cutting out the cost of all the middlemen in the system that just push paperwork around).

    Couple that with a high deductible insurance policy to cover surgeries and major problems and even the tax field and we would be on the road to reform that would matter. Of course, we desperately need some sort of tort reform in the system which was noticeably not even remotely discussed in Obamacare by the Dems (and shot down immediately when the Repubs brought it up)

    As long as doctors feel like they have to cover their rear-ends by ordering every possible test imaginable, have to continue to pay out massive premiums for their malpractice insurance etc ALL of those costs will simply be passed on to us through the system – whether by premium increases, tax increases or whatever.

  26. Ricky Bobby says:

    Jean said, “RB, I think a case can be made that Libertarianism is both unbiblical and unchristian.”

    Jean, I could make a case for just about anything by appealing to “the bible”.

    I don’t know what your definition of “Libertarianism” is…but I would be shocked if my definition (and the consensus definition) of Libertarianism was somehow unbiblical or unchristian according to a majority opinion of bible folks.

    …but as with all things…there will always be someone or some group that disagrees…and claims “the bible says so!”

  27. “Libertarianism is both unbiblical and unchristian.”

    I will look forward to Jean’s views on this as I am a libertarian (small “L”)

  28. As I lean libertarian, I can’t wait to see this.

  29. Quick someone find Jim.

  30. Jean says:

    MLD, Derek and RB, I posted my response on Libertarianism on the Compassionate Conservatives thread by accident. Sorry.

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