“Now, But Not Yet” Apocalyptic Times: The Rev Dr. Bob Swope
I’m so excited to share that we’ve made a new friend who I hope will write for us often.
Bob is a retired Anglican priest …bi-vocational with an RN degree and 28 years practice in geriatrics, hospice/palliative care leadership beyond 20 years in the parish.
Hopefully, he will continue to share from that deep well of experiences…he will help us be about better things…
“Now, But Not Yet” Apocalyptic Times
The Advent season is once again upon us: four Sundays before the feast of the Incarnation, or Christmas joy at the birth of Jesus. The theme of the first Sunday in Advent is always a strange, somewhat foreboding message of the End Times: what Creation (heaven and earth), and human life in particular, can expect when the Messiah-King Jesus returns personally in glory to transform the physical heavens and earth into an eternal, heaven-infused “new heavens and earth” (Rev 21-22). It’s an invitation to live fully in the “now, but not yet.” We have plenty of images, metaphors and hints of what is to come. It’s always a mystery, yet to unfold fully.
From the imagery we find in both Scripture and historical Christian Tradition, this will be a time of reckoning, or “setting things right again.” Terrifying for those who spent their lives grabbing power over others, building up material wealth at the expense of others, and ignoring or mocking God. Too late do they realize their wasted, selfish lives and greed leave them wandering in a waterless desert where their souls devolve into something less than human.
Two famous Oxford professors, Clive Staples (C.S.) Lewis and John Ronald Ruel (JRR) Tolkien, knew each other in the mid-20th century. Both used Christian truths woven with Nordic myths and legends to write about allegories/glories of the End Times. Lewis’s last book in the Narnia series, “The Final Battle” and Tolkien’s third book of his majestic Lord of the Rings, “The Return of the King” both echo the struggles, triumph and victory of Light over darkness, Love over hatred, and Christ-figures conquering demonic evil once and for all. You can read them in all of their detail, or watch adapted films on television and YouTube. Like much of the Bible itself, it is better when you are able to read them with child-like imagination and wonder. Using right-brain exegesis, rather than stilted left-brain analysis of what is beyond our reasoning!
For those who have humbly realized their need for rescuing/saving/forgiveness by the Lord Jesus–through his sacrificial death and bodily resurrection– or others who never met Jesus by faith but put their hope in a God they trusted to be merciful and accepting, it will be a time of great rejoicing and comfort. Full of wonder, surprise and laughter at God’s amazing loving-kindness over the millennia. Abundant Life beyond this limited one. Life beyond dying and “going to heaven” (did you think that body-less heaven is the final resting place “up there” or the goal of life?) Think again. Heaven– always a part of Creation, just beyond the veil; full of holy women and men, angels before the earth was formed — is only a stopping place. To rest, to be immersed in love. Healed and become the perfected image-bearers of God– at a time only known to the Father. The Eschaton is about an Eternity lived out in Life after life after death.1 In a heaven-infused new creation more vast and wonder-filled than we ever dreamed possible.
What’s to come at The End is beyond this Cosmos. A reality much more glorious and fulfilling beyond all of our evolving life and awareness. We get an inkling: the kingdom of God begins now, in this life, as Jesus promised to those who would believe and follow him. This really is euangelion: Good News! Now– in our brief, but busy space-time moment in history– Jesus already reigns from heaven to earth; a time between the Old and the eternally True. It’s time to believe anew and trust what our merciful LORD has been planning for us all along.
1Wright, N.T. 2008. Surprised by Hope, Rethinking Heaven Resurrection, and the Mission of the Church. New York: Harper-Collins, 151-152.

What a surprise! Well written Dr. Bob. Welcome to the Tribe.
Thank you, Dr Bob!!!
We owe one to pstrmike for introducing Bob and I…such a good article.
So now maybe Michael will read Tolkien.
Probably not…I love Lewis, but I haven’t waded through his fiction either.
I should probably try…it’s been at least twenty years since my last attempt.
Well at least watch the Jackson movies!
I dislike watching movies more than reading fiction…yes, I’m weird.
Read Tolkien, but start with the Hobbit. It’s a solid primer to the rest. I could never do Lewis’ fantasy series, but I do enjoy Madeleine L’Engle…
fil,
Maybe someday…
This post captures my eschatology perfectly…very helpful to remember that it ends well…
Listen to fil.
I don’t care for Lewis’ fiction either, especially his space trilogy.
Michael,
I’ll loan you my teacher’s copy of the Hobbit–lots of notes in the margin, well-worn, underlined thoroughly to coach you on quoting pithy sayings… 🙂
someday…
Fil, did you take your copy down to Office Depot to have it spiral-bound? Like I did?
The NT Wright passage is so so good. Especially, for the purposes of this discussion:
“Heaven– always a part of Creation, just beyond the veil; full of holy women and men, angels before the earth was formed — is only a stopping place. “
X,
no, I’ve not tried that trick. I found my copy in a book depository at my school and it had wide margins and a great font that allowed easy reading and compact print. It’s paperback, but heavy stock and well bound. I don’t recall how many times I’ve read it, but it hasn’t gotten old. I re-read the Rings trilogy again this past summer. L’Engle remains one of the Christian writer treasures…
How do you guys not like the Space Trilogy?!? Its easy reading, and just brilliant hints at allegory. The Narnia stuff also has a great depth that surprises, considering it was written for children.
I always get bogged down by the language of Tolkien. I’ve never even tried to read The Hobbitt, always started with LOTR.
And thanks to Dr. Bob for the post! Made me want to read The Final Battle again. I first read it probably 20 ago and was mesmerized by the imaginative telling of the end times. So much drama, but filled with hope.
Josh, I think I just don’t enjoy Lewis’ writing style. Tolkien didn’t much like the Narnia series because he thought the world-building was not very good. For instance, he had Santa Claus (Father Christmas) in Narnia. Tolkien was all about consistency, most of the time, with the exception of a few anachronisms like pipeweed and potatoes. He once said if you were going to write a story on a planet with a green sun, everything in the story had to be consistent with the effects of a green sun.
I did like That Hideous Strength pretty well but not enough to read it again. I like his philosophical/religious books better. Who couldn’t love Screwtape Letters? I liked Till We Have Faces but it’s been a long time since I read it. I keep trying to read The Abolition of Man but just can’t get into it. I was very happy for my kids to read Narnia, though.
I’m not much interested in debating the merits of Lewis and Tolkien…I am obsessed with the understanding of “end Times” presented in this article…such a contrast to dispensational drivel.
Disclaimer – I no longer have “an eschatology”, and don’t have much hope for the hereafter.
As one who was well-versed in the Pre-Mil system, and who considers The Final Battle (specifically referenced in the article) an almost prophetic reimagining of the end times…
What’s the huge contrast between what is printed here and “Dispensational drivel”?
That would take a book to answer…the one Bob cited will work.
The biggest difference is the emphasis on the kingdom…God is presently working through His body and that work will culminate in all things being set right at the eschaton.
We pray that His kingdom come, His will be done…now as well as in the future.
We have a kingdom role to play…now.
Or…you can play pin the tail on the anti-Christ and go to the latest ‘prophecy update’…
Hmm. Yeah. I guess I just don’t see a hug difference. I think most of the pre-mil stuff I was reading would agree with all you said there. All seems speculative at best.
That would depend on what you consider speculative.
I think that the biblical witness is clear and consistent on this matter…as is much of the tradition.
Ehh. The “biblical witness is clear”…is never an accurate statement.
But anyhoo, I did appreciate the article and the reminders about Lewis and Tolkien. Looking forward to re-reading.
I mean, the biblical witness is clear that a beast rises from the sea…but anyway you try to interpret that is going to be speculation.
I feel that I will be annoying in this conversation, and will leave it alone. Just wanted to explain what I meant about speculative.
Josh,
I would highly recommend the N.T. Wright book cited above…at some point it will be a great asset in reconstructing faith in a different paradigm…
I have no desire to go to ‘Christian’ heaven.
Streets of gold and jewel encrusted vistas just ain’t my thing.
The Jewish version of an afterlife (Olam-Ha-Ba) is much more appealing to me.