On Further Review…

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  1. Dan from Georgia says:

    The more this stuff happens, the more and more I begin to chuckle when I hear people say God is going to rain fire on us because of gay marriage and abortion and democrats…

  2. Duane Arnold says:


    Almost thirty years ago a book was published which I read and found enlightening – ‘Tribes With Flags: A Dangerous Passage Through the Chaos of the Middle East ‘. It opined, correctly in my view, that we were making the mistake of viewing all of the middle eastern countries as modern nation states.

    Reading your article makes me wonder if we have forgotten what it means to have a unified national identity. I wonder if we are quickly becoming “tribes with flags”… or hats, or news outlets… or…

  3. Michael says:


    Perhaps the real problem is what you just said…we have no national identity…

  4. Michael says:


    God is raining our own stupidity on us from clouds we created…maybe…

  5. Dan from Georgia says:

    yeah, I seem to recall something in Romans about God giving us over to our desires…in this case our desire to rage on other people.

  6. Cash says:

    We are becoming tribes with symbols, just as you said, Duane. I have long wondered if the Trump presidency itself is just the beginning of God’s judgment on our country. That may reveal where I lean politically, but I believe both extreme sides are responsible for this debacle we find ourselves in. All we are interested in is winning, at all costs. Humiliate the other side. Doesn’t matter if you have the facts on your side or not, and usually, both sides have some facts on their side which makes the discovery of truth extremely difficult. To me Isaiah 6: 9=10 perfectly describes the situation we find ourselves in today.

  7. Michael says:


    Well said…

  8. The outrage-inducing incidents happen so quickly I can barely keep up. And I really don’t want to.

    Yesterday I blogged a bit about navigating all these crazy, media fueled skirmishes:


  9. Kevin H says:

    I have pretty much stayed out of this one as one can only invest their time and interest in a finite amount of things. I have not read a single article in full on the story nor have I watched very little news coverage about it. With that said, while observing from the periphery, the same disturbing and increasingly familiar patterns are on full display. There are a few who are trying to think about and speak to the issue in a thoughtful, considerate manner. However, the large majority of the “loud” and “incessant” voices out there have combatively dug their heels in to protect those on “their side” of the issue and to destroy those on the “other side”.

    This continued and increasing pattern is very disconcerting. Both “sides” will often even speak to there needing to be less division, and then immediately proceed to throw more fuel on the fires of discord. People are either disingenuous about their desire for unity, or else they are painfully ignorant of how their own behavior regularly adds to the division. Or both.

  10. Richard says:

    I believe it may be worth stating that for many, perhaps most, the news of this type matters little.
    We are busy working, taking care of ours, eating, resting. Very little time for disgust, anger, or sadness.
    Ecclesiastes comes to mind.

  11. Em says:

    Our local bank is offering all the local furloughed gov’t workers interest free loans to tide them over (my understanding is that they will receive their full paychecks at the end of this)… a major credit union is doing the same and local utility companies are accomodating them… our local food banks are welcoming them up here… we aren’t always a terrible nation. ?

    Pray for Venezuela

  12. Cash says:

    Thanks, Michael…that means something coming from you.

  13. pstrmike says:

    “We all went along for the ride… on separate trains, of course.”

    Yep. Such nonsense. How did this country get so reactive? I think it started when everyone decided to be smarter than their neighbor. That’s a lot easier than loving them.

    The young men should go to the White House and invite the First Nations elder as well. Have a discussion. Just don’t let Trump be the moderator.

    On the bright side, it’s Happy Hour at Starbucks tomorrow.

  14. Technically, First Nations describes tribes in Canada, but it’s an apt description. Is this guy an actual Elder? Elderly isn’t an Elder.

    Given the death threats and that the school had to close… this has gone off the rails. This is why someone as deplorable as Trump won.

  15. London says:

    Why would the kids and Mr. Philips need to go to the White House to work anything out?
    If there’s peacemaking to be done, wouldn’t it be something the Church should step up and do?
    Also, shouldn’t the Church be stepping up to help the Federal workers who are not being paid? I often hear how the Church wants to be in charge of social programs instead of tax money going to the Government to do it. Now’s your chance Church…show us what ya got.

  16. Anonymouse says:

    In the meantime, I’m pouring into the Bible (audio Bible this time) like never before and it’s really helping me cope with some crazy times.

    I’m trying to divorce myself emotionally from politics, with some fruit.

    May God have mercy on our nation because of how we all can react in the flesh…

  17. Jtk says:

    Churches ARE stepping up.

    Seen it in local and national media.

    And I know for a fact it’s happening.

  18. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    It seems to me that too many sit around all day scouring social media looking for “made for social media” daily problems. These games of MAGA Hats vs Indians mean absolutely nothing in the lives of the American public other than to distract (or be a distraction) from their day to day issues.
    A friend posted the question on FB – “Have we ever lived in a more wicked time?” – so I answered.

    ** This isn’t a hard question for me – yes. Coming out of WW2, the 50s were wrought with lynchings (actual, not symbolic) and a generation living through Jim Crow laws.
    The 60s were still torn apart during civil rights protests, cities burning (LA, Detroit, and Newark for example) twice in both in 1965 & 68. through all of this was a generation (mine) growing up during the cold war – building bomb shelters in our backyards, air raid siren tests and schools teaching us to ‘duck and cover’ under our school desks in preparation for a nuclear war.
    We had 3 times of major political upheaval with the assassinations of JFK 1963, MLK & RFK both 1968.
    Add to this the Vietnam war (50,000 Americans dead), the anti war protests that included protest bombings at various military research facilities and the closing down of almost the entire national university system after the Kent State shootings in 1971. A later add on – the universal legalization of abortion in 1973 – it was a pretty dark period.
    I could go one, but today’s stuff is almost laughable.

  19. Matthew says:

    I’m dreading the 2020 election already….

  20. richard says:

    I agree with MLD – today’s not so bad.
    Perhaps today’s rage of the day mentality can sometimes be attributed to cell phone cameras. ?

  21. Michael says:

    Civil unrest doesn’t just happen…it’s preceded by events that create the historical foundation for them to happen.
    Much of what we deal with is a tempest in a teapot…this ridiculous story for example.
    However, it’s laying a foundation for what could come.

  22. Kevin H says:

    “However, it’s laying a foundation for what could come.”

    That has been my concern as I have talked about troubling patterns that are becoming increasingly more commonplace. Surely we can identify times in our nation’s history that were worse than what we are currently experiencing. However, those worse times did not just happen spontaneously; there were events and circumstances and attitudes that escalated to these troubling times. Our current troubling patterns do not guarantee that we will end up in times just as difficult as some in the past, but if we don’t recognize these patterns and take real action to change them, we very well could end up there.

    I’ll repeat part of my comment from above: “This continued and increasing pattern is very disconcerting. Both “sides” will often even speak to there needing to be less division, and then immediately proceed to throw more fuel on the fires of discord. People are either disingenuous about their desire for unity, or else they are painfully ignorant of how their own behavior regularly adds to the division. Or both.”

  23. Em says:

    From where i sit ? today, this nation is transitioning from what it was built on – both the good and the bad – to a new national mindset… Again … good and bad
    Do i see hints of prophesied events looming? I do, but then we are told to always be on watch, are we not? It seems to me that we move cyclic with each cycle more intense and complete, so? Like the astronomers say, “keep looking up.”. ☺ ?

  24. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    If the country is going down the toilet (which is not my view) it is because folks think it more important to view, comment, rail or blame on things they have no control or input, instead of raising and influencing their families and local communities.
    If the MAGA hats vs Indians was not caught on cell phones it would not be an issue – so why is it an issue just because it was on video – treat it with no more concern than a cat video and move on.
    Venezuel? Can’t do a thing so I don’t let it in my world. Sent my grandkids text messages today – my contribution to a better world — and much more effective then any social media comment I can make on world events.

  25. ( |o )====::: says:

    Treating a video of blatant racism as if it is a benign as a cat video is the height of white privilege.

  26. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    G, I guess I was just going to let the native elder’s racism slide. But you can get your panties in a wad if you want to remain the angry white man.

  27. ( |o )====::: says:

    my underwear is of no consequence, but do please expand on how equivalent are the cat video and racism video


  28. Em says:

    Who and what was the racism? The boy’s hat? The N.A. with the drum who marched across the street and got in the kid’s face to do his drumming and chanting? The kid standing patiently with a nervous smile thru the drumming? The small group of black men railing on the kids? Time to condemn ALL the race baiting… Time to recognize that the whole human race has bad actors. And their manifestations ARE color blind
    Or so it seems to me

  29. Xenia says:

    folks think it more important to view, comment, rail or blame on things they have no control or input, instead of raising and influencing their families and local communities.<<<

    I agree with this.

    I follow Twitter because a lot of my classmates post interesting stuff related to our studies, so I did catch a bit of the red-hat-kid/ drumming Native American episode. All three groups behaved like idiots, IMO. There's no reason I even need to know about it. If you are looking to get wound up or find ammo to make the other side look as bad as possible or your side look good, and thereby console yourself that you are truly and totally on the side of the angels, then you know where you can go to get your fix. Myself, I've had my fill of the media circus. Not my circus, not my monkeys.

    The more I involve myself with local matters, the less the national news bothers me.

    Localism: Church, Family, Community.

  30. Xenia says:

    I used to tell people to follow the president on Twitter so they could see for themselves, without a CNN or Fox filter, what he says. However, his tweets have become so absurd that I don’t know whether to laugh or cry and it’s just entirely too upsetting.

  31. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    G, I sure get tired of white liberals mouthing on about white privilege. As a white man what have you done to rid yourself of your white privilege. Have you given up your job to person of color who has no job – so that you and your wife do not have 2 jobs while those lacking such privilege have none? Or do you just comment on FB videos to ease your guilt?

  32. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Just because of video or an article appears in my feed doesn’t mean that I have to pay attention to it or comment positively or negatively on it. It just rolls off my back like a cat video.

  33. ( |o )====::: says:

    Follower of Martin Luther,

    Jesus told me to do my alms privately, which my wife and children do.
    My reward remains with Him, and I’m stunned at the influence he continues to have because of it.

  34. Duane Arnold says:

    Just as a caveat – Yes, we might not of known of the incident had it not been for cell phone videos. The same could be said of police shootings. Without film, would we have known and seen body bags returning from Vietnam? If it had not been televised, would we have known of dogs and firehoses in Birmingham in the 60s? Had we not had photography, would lynchings in the south (and the north) have been documented?

    We’re having to adjust to a new reality and we’re not doing very well at present. Nonetheless, it is not the recording of incidents that is at fault, it the manipulation that takes place afterwards; and that’s not the fault of the Native American elder or the kids… That’s about us in our various tribes.

  35. pstrmike says:

    such smug arrogance…

    The fact that on can point to “white privilege” in the actions of the other guy, is in fact the exercising of privilege. The causes that we advocate for is a further extension of such privilege. It is everywhere and in everyone, and it comes in many colors.

  36. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I feel Duane is helping to make my point when he says “it the manipulation that takes place afterwards; ”
    I agree – and I think we all do. The events and the reporting are all manipulated – in fact some of the events themselves are staged to look random and unplanned. I would think that the native elder knew what he was doing when he crossed over to the MAGA hatters.

    But that is neither here nor there – the point is that it is all manipulated… so why even pay attention. I pass over a hundred FB articles a day. I went back and looked at this – if there are 10 articles, 5 are slanted to the Hatters and 5 to the chief. So, as I am not bright enough to cipher through the BS, I pass on by (btw, I do not watch cat videos neither).

    Life with practically no news is the way life was meant to be — but I am retired and find I do not even need to know what day it is or even how the weather will be.

    But hey, others may be built differently and NEED TO KNOW.

  37. Jean says:

    “I pass over a hundred FB articles a day.”

    MLD, do you pass over mine?

  38. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean, I read everything you, Nathan Rinne and the band Queen post. 🙂
    Vintage baseball is good. I skip the news and I don’t answer the questions to see what kind of rock I am.

  39. Jean says:

    That’s the nicest backhanded compliment anyone has ever given me. I am now complete.

  40. Jerod says:

    All the American-Privileged 1% of the world at each others throats over race, hats, and dead babies. Our Idiocracy is almost complete! 🙂

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