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  1. AA says:

    Quiet Saturday, first!

    Heaven above is softer blue, and earth around is sweeter green, and something lives in every hue that Christless eyes have never seen. Birds with gladder songs overflow, earth with deeper beauty shine. Since I know as now I know, I am His and He is mine.

  2. Babylon's Dread says:

    So I have been reading about the discernment ‘ministries’ what an odd phenomenon. Especially that they should come out of Calvary Chapel that got so much momentum from Lonnie Frisbee.

    But do these people think they are apostles? Doesn’t anyone who establishes doctrine or judges doctrinal veracity operate in apostolic manner? So does that mean we have a woman apostle? When you are teaching doctrine and judging doctrine you are functioning as an apostle who teaches and exercises authority over men. Does she even think that is OK?

    I mean when you tell people who to trust and who to blacklist and when you judge someone to be a heretic you are operating as one who has authority over the church. So apparently some of those who think women cannot do that are supporting women who are doing that. Of course I am an egalitarian so it amuses me even more.

    And Hanegraaff well he was an apostle until he went all preterist and then the people who empowered him had to dump him.

    I tell you the body of Christ is never boring.

  3. Anne Kohut says:

    BD – the way it was explained to me re: women “discerners”, as well as other gifts exercised by women in the church was that they had to operate under “the covering” of their pastor and/or husband. Not agreeing – just sharing what I was told when I asked the same questions.

  4. Babylon's Dread says:

    Thanks Anne. I am not surprised by that. It is bogus. But I always have fun with the fact that discernment ministries even exist. You have to have a rule of faith to have an orthodox doctrine. There has to be a standard if there is to be heresy. And anyone with a nickel of sense knows that claiming the Bible is your authority is bogus when doctrine is what you are seeking. Everyone claims that. .

  5. Xenia says:

    Today I’m fixing the first of three Thanksgiving dinners.

    Today’s is for my granddaughter, who usually spends Thanksgiving day with her other grandparents. Turkey’s in the oven, but the pies and rolls are store-bought since Leah doesn’t care.

    The Sunday before Thanksgiving our parish has a Thanksgiving dinner, American-style, even though most of the parish is European. As one of the church ladies, I will have my hands full. For us, it marks the beginning of the Nativity season.

    On real Thanksgiving, that’s when I make pies and rolls from scratch and go all out. We have a large family and this year, most of them are coming. Folding chairs, people eating at desks, high chairs, dogs and cats under the table… what a riot!

    The day after Thanksgiving begins the Nativity Fast (Advent) for those of us on the old calendar. So the leftover turkey goes to whatever guests are still around, sleeping on couch or on cots.

    Thank the Lord for all his goodness! Thank Him for friends, family, our parish and all good things! Glory to God for all things!

  6. Jean says:

    That’s a lot of bird Xenia.

    For those on the West and East Coasts, is there any preference between Turkey and/or Ham for Thanksgiving and Christmas?

  7. This shows up here every now and then.

    “This work, unless otherwise expressly stated, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NoDerivatives 4.0 International License.”

    Just curious, why?.

  8. Michael says:

    It’s a copywriter notice…some people have taken to preaching my writings as if they wrote them…

  9. Dude says:

    Xenia
    Have a nice Thanksgiving and Christmas season .My mothers side of the family is Ukrainian Orthodox ….So I usally get Christmas 2 times a year. Orthodox Christmas is much more enjoyable to spend time with cousins ….none of the buy buy buy stuff to deal with.

  10. London says:

    Had a great day today. First started out doing a homeless outreach with peeps from my old webchurch group.
    Me some interesting homeless folks and an even more interesting security guard. He told us stories if some if the people he runs into in the street. One guy he told us about has been getting young vulnerable girls, freshly out on the street addicted to hero on and then they basically “disappear”. Pretty harrowing stuff going on and was pretty interesting details he was talking to us about.
    I don’t think this guard was a Christian, so it was kind if odd to hear him tell us about how this guy “speaks in a demonic voice” and describe how he acted and sounded.
    I’m not a real believe in the whole demonic thing, so it interested me to hear him say it as if it were a fact.
    Had the opportunity to spend time with a woman I met at a class I took this year. Her story about struggle and redemption really made an impact on me. She was telling me how some financial struggles are effecting her and her kid and how hunger has been part of their journey lately. Haven’t figured it all out yet , but I think it was one of those life changing conversations.

    Then tonight had the honor if attending an.engagement ceremony between an Indian young man and Pakistani young lady. The priest doing one part of the service remarked how politically in their culture it would never really happen but in Jesus there were not those Boundries in love…there were Indians, Pakistani, Africans, Hmong, and Americans – a true multi-cultural event. A mix of Bollywood and worship music…good fun.

  11. jlo says:

    Gave my dog his first shot of insulin this morning, I was more nervous that he was.

    I can do this.

  12. filbertz says:

    I enjoyed a beautiful Rogue Valley day Saturday, including warmth and sun, a pair of Applegate Valley wineries, an enjoyable German dinner in Jacksonville, and a late college football game in which Oregon State upset Arizona State. Today I got a bracingly cold hike in with Trigger who wore himself out fetching sticks thrown all over the hillsides. Facing a mountain of papers to grade this afternoon is a small task after all that fun.

  13. #11
    Just remember that you are totally improving your dogs life with each treatment.

    What you do is an act of love in reality.

    And yes, you can do it!

  14. Michael,

    You have to admit that your allegory’s and metaphors are well worth repeating; especially if they are revelatory by the Holy Spirit.

    Good thing you put up that notice so no one but you will share your revelations with others…

  15. Michael says:

    davidsurfer51 ,

    I’ve never denied anyone permission to use anything I’ve written.

  16. London says:

    We used to have a horse named Trigger.

  17. brian darby says:

    “It’s a copywriter notice…some people have taken to preaching my writings as if they wrote them…”

    Its still ok to copy them a paste them into my text to speech reader I assume?

  18. brian darby says:

    Nevermind Michael I should have read it first. Thanks

    A question to who ever, can someone tell me the first complete list of the 27 canonical “books” of the new testament?

  19. Steve Wright says:

    Brian, I believe if you want the complete 27, you would need to look to Athanasius of Alexandria around 373. However, far earlier than that was the Codex Barococcio (appx 206) which had all the OT books except Esther and all the NT except Revelation. However, Revelation was cited as canonical by several early fathers and another list (the Muratorian Canon about 30 years prior to Barococcio) – The Muratorian list left out Hebrews, James, and 1&2 Peter, but did include Revelation.

    20 years after Athanasius, the Council of Hippo and then a few years later, the Council of Carthage both listed all 27 NT books – and there has never been debate in any branch of Christianity since as to NT canon (of course there has been concering the OT and the apocrypha

  20. brian darby says:

    Thanks Pastor Steve, my view is that the epistles were written with in 10-20 years of the resurrection of Jesus, the Gospels were very early as well say Matthew Mark Luke and Acts finished before say 65 AD. Revelation in the early 90,s . I have always leaned towards early age of books of the NT. I also think it is quite easy to determine the different gandre of the canonical scripture and extra canonical scripture that has a Gnostic influence such as the Gospel of Tomas. I do think some of the early Christian communions considered the Shepherd of Hermas and the works of Polycarp as held in high esteem if not inspired. I also think the text has been faithfully translated to us today for the most part.

    I will admit I find great inspiration in the art of the early church and in the actions of the martyrs and even in the legends if you will. I really get excited at new discoveries of early churches and communities in the NT. Sad the wars over there have really messed that up. Of course that is a small thing compared to what those people have suffered, but seeing Christian communities being run out of places where they have existed for almost 2000 years is a tragedy, historically and far more importantly to those fine Christians and others in those areas.

    The Canon was reached slowly and through grace, just like God reaches out to most of us. If that makes any sense. Thanks for the info. I am trying to get permission to get access to the Jesuit library at the University near where I live. I know its Jesuits 🙂 but man they got some cool resources. Thanks again.

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