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  1. JTK says:


    This black LA gang member talks about drugs, specifically meth, wrecking the black community there, with some stuff on cocaine and the Mexicans dealing it in the area. Thought you might find it educational. It wasn’t on my radar.

  2. JTK says:

    Does anyone know anything of/can anyone fill me in on Brad Jersak?

    Quite a few people I know are reading his stuff and I know nothing about him.

  3. Erunner says:

    Every Saturday lawn service for a neighbor shows up at 7:00a.m. waking up our household where Saturday is the only day to sleep in. So today I went outside and asked them to reconsider coming so early. My life is rough. 🙂

  4. Em says:

    Erunner, in our neck of the woods it’s illegal to make noise/run machinery before 8 a.m. – the lawn service may be breaking a city ordinance…

    took a quick peek at the Jersak link… not my kind of presentation of the character of God that He has revealed to us… too contrived, too cute – but then Jersak has the bona fides to get a hearing i guess – from somebody else … just sayin 🙂

  5. Babylon's Dread says:

    Brad Jersak is a friend and will be in my fellowship in a few weeks. Brad is a scholar and has converted to Orthodoxy after a long history with renewal type churches.

    He is a first rate thinker.

    More than that he is a beautiful human being.

  6. Babylon's Dread says:

    A matter that we might think about here is the impact of lying. My history in the ministry has been punctuated by a number, a significant number of incidents of dealing with friends and others who have been falsely accused. This especially involves sexual abuse and sexual offenses.

    Behind most of this is the rampant mental illness that fill culture. I am an avid advocate with Erunner of those who suffer mental illness but I am a virulent opponent of countenancing the lies that come out of people’s varied illnesses. Those who suffer mental illness are still required to be moral people. Illness does not excuse evil.

    The ravages done by these lies and liars is devastating. Once accused you can rarely overcome the stigma. Some of this comes from so-called repressed memory therapy which I believe has been largely discredited. Most of it simply comes from chronic liars who lie for gain, for glory, for protection, and for sport.

  7. Em says:

    BD, hope i didn’t offend you by saying what i did about the book’s author… i apologize
    i thought as i typed that i shouldn’t have said what i did… but then, i’m a second rate thinker, so maybe that explains my reaction
    i sense from your posts that you, too, are a beautiful human being, BTW …

  8. Em says:

    “The ravages done by these lies and liars is devastating. Once accused you can rarely overcome the stigma. Some of this comes from so-called repressed memory therapy which I believe has been largely discredited. Most of it simply comes from chronic liars who lie for gain, for glory, for protection, and for sport” add to that list malice and jealousy – sadly

    i’ve lived a long time now and i can attest to the truth of BD’s post… it is rare for a lie to ever be washed completely away and it takes courage and a very strong mind to be a person of character in a position of responsibility in the big world we live in today – particularly in “house of our friends.” i guess the other side of the coin today is, who do we trust? in a simpler world of villages where you knew the whole life of your neighbor, perhaps it was easier to answer that question… so very sad

  9. Michael says:


    That’s a lot to unpack.
    Over the years here we’ve had very few people actually lie to me to indict someone, but we’ve had a few.
    Morality is a function of the brain and a brain that doesn’t function properly or well can lead to “immoral” actions. It is the moral responsibility of those who are healthy to deal with these actions in wisdom and grace.

  10. Em says:

    speaking of character, my daughter and i think that Payton Manning reminds us of the late movie actor Jimmy Stewart… i hope that this man is what he seems… and if not, i don’t want to hear about it 🙂

  11. Em says:

    aaand i have to say that i really like Michael’s point @ #10 … this thread could turn out to be a good Saturday read

  12. Michael says:

    There are different levels and presentations of mental illness as well as different levels of accountability that need to be enforced.
    Those levels should not be retributive, but for the protection of those affected.

  13. Babylon's Dread says:


    He is a public figure and no offense taken.

    I do not endorse all of his thinking, but he is a friend. In theological circles agreement is not the basis of fellowship all the time. Some agreement is essential but massive agreement is very hard to manage.

  14. Em says:

    i think perhaps, we equate the brain, the organ, with the mind…
    IMV – in a nutshell: 🙂
    the brain i believe can have organic flaws, but it also can be programmed by an evil heart to “see” things wrongly or, conversely, reprogrammed to clearer thinking – ideally and most truthfully, by seeking the mind of God with enough diligence (and work of the Holy Spirit) to correct our delusions and disillusions

  15. Nightmares says:

    Dread is right … Sometimes the lies are rooted in the misunderstandings of actions. I knew a man who’s affectionate embrace of a girl to applaud her was read as an advance by a the pubescent girl the family then came to her defense the church lined up and took sides. The man had a lifetime of flawless character and was ruined and died in disgrace. That was more misunderstanding than lie but it was the collateral damage of adults needing to win rather than solve a problem that ruled.

    A neurotic mother who accused a man after he babysat at her husband’s request for a mere hour. The mother had all kinds of problems and the friend was damned by a woman who fished stories out of the air. She was later proved unstable the man was never exonerated.

    A case of a drug addicted person extorting money from a man with whom he had a grievance by using the legal system to accuse then force into a legal hell.

    A pastor accused by a counselee of misconduct and was ruined by an accusation with no foundation and no proof. Just the accusation ruined him.

    You haven’t been a pastor without knowing pathological liars and when you set boundaries you become the target of lies.

  16. Babylon's Dread says:

    The lesson is boundaries and lots of them.

  17. brian says:

    I hope everyone has a nice weekend.

  18. Scott says:

    Why are Dread & Nightmares using the same gravatar? Some big Homer fans I guess 😉

  19. Babylon's Dread says:

    Reading I Corinthians helps me understand the red letter crowd. They run from Paul because the only sin among them is intolerance of anything except their intolerance of intolerance.

  20. Surfer51 says:

    …intolerance of anything except their intolerance of intolerance.

    Actually not as funny as it sounds and all to descriptive in delineating that which actually is.

    Bab your a really deep thinker, I like it!

  21. London says:

    Never heard of Jersak before, but might give his book a go. Seems like he has a good pedigree and the sample pages I read on his website seemed well written.
    Reading “The Gospel of The Lord” by Michael F. Bird right now. Anyone else read it?

  22. Michael says:

    Bird is always worth reading…bit of a contrarian, but he’s clear and makes me think.
    Good book and good to see people reading things of substance.

  23. Goose says:

    I believe Jersak is a budding Christian Universalist as well.
    BD may be able to shed some light here.

  24. Surfer51 says:

    The knowledge of the holy for Em.

    No frills or poff just pure reality…

  25. Em says:

    thanks Surfer51 – Tozer is always worth a read – IMHO

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