yes, praying with here also
a deposition? this morning i was reading in the 5th chapter of Mat. and thinking, how can we do that? agree with one’s adversary? don’t resist evil? just a yea and a nay? God keep Your children thru these evil times
Speak the truth in love.
Ephesians 4:14-16 4Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Christ Himself, who is the head. 16From Him the whole body is fitted and held together by every supporting ligament. And as each individual part does its work, the body grows and builds itself up in love.ā¦
May an awareness of God’s nearness ,in view of eternity, help with blood pressure, anxiety, righteous anger and give Michael words illustrating Truth that will lead to healing, closure, peace for Alex and other victims…..
I’m curious about the Episcopal church. I’ve looked online but am not able to nail down what exactly they believe. Is each church free to believe as they choose as far as abortion, homosexuality, etc? I’d appreciate help in understanding this denomination. Thank you.
I don’t know much about it but I know it grew out of the Anglican Church. The Anglican Church recently disfellowshipped the American Episcopal church due to their support for anointing homosexual clergy and higher ecclesiastical authority. So the American Episcopals are basically pretty liberal on social issues, while The Anglicans are staunchly conservative.
Thanks Cash, I learned about their history via google but other than that there’s a lot to choose from. The church I’m looking at has zero information on their website outside of a calendar and photos. They do have a female pastor which really didn’t move me one way or the other.
Do you or anyone else know if there is more than the liberal American Episcopals; for example a more conservative and orthodox branch? Thanks again.
Like other mainline denoms, things can vary from one parish to another. Worship could be “low church” evangelical, or liturgy Lite, or Anglo-Catholic, also called “High Church” by some.
There are Anglican churches in the US and they are much more orthodox than the liberal Episcopal church. . We listen to podcasts of this Anglican church: http://www.redeemernashville.net/about-us/
I caught this by way of our old friend here Patrick Heavside – who quoted Donavon Riley
“We believe a snake talked, a donkey preached, and God’s word became a man. But Jesus says “this is my body… this is my blood? Inconceivable!!!
Patrick, you need to come back here and post. š
Looking forward to an update on your case, Alex. That’s awesome that you could be there for Michael and that he is so committed to being there for you. You both must be exhausted.
I’ve seen a few of his fb posts about forgiveness and respecting your parents and slander. So pathetic and transparent and hippocritical. Your comebacks were entertaining when you were (strangely) not blocked. I am glad the depositions are going well for your side. I hope if this settles prior to a trial that it will not involve any kind of gag order for you. I pray you win, and regardless, that he will get nailed by the IRS for using church funds for the lawsuit, now that that is out in the open. And it’s long overdue that some CC guys step forward and speak up for you.
Transubstantiation is the teaching that during the Mass, at the consecration in the Lord’s Supper (Communion), the elements of the Eucharist, bread and wine, are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus; and that they are no longer bread and wine but only retain their appearance of bread and wine.
The “Real Presence” is the term referring to Christ’s actual presence in the elements of the bread and the wine that have been transubstantiated.
Paragraph 1376 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) states,
The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring:
“Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood.
This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation (CCC, 1376).
Because they are the presence of Christ himself, Catholics worship and adore the elements.
Non denominational folks take another approach and choose to believe that Christ’s statements were figurative and not statement of fact.
While both Protestants and Catholics agree on who Jesus is, there are seven key issues which continue to distinguish their beliefs and practices.
The Eucharist
When it comes to the Eucharist, which most Protestants call āThe Lordās Supper,ā or āCommunion,ā the Roman Catholic Church holds to the doctrine of transubstantiationāthe idea that the edible ritual elements used during the mass literally become the body and blood of Christ.
At the moment that the priest says, āThis is my body,ā the invisible, unperceivable essence thatā¦you couldn’t see with an electron microscope, is there in a miracle.
It contains the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.
And that becomes the spiritual and physical nourishment.
As you partake of it, it becomes part of you, transforms you, and makes you more and more righteous.ā
In contrast, some Protestants, like Lutherans, hold to perspective called consubstantiation, where Jesusā body and blood are seen as coexisting with the bread and the wine.
Martin Luther likened this to the idea of a red-hot iron in a fireāunited, but not changed.
I like to call it āthe over, under, around and throughā view.
Jesus Christ surrounds the elements.
He’s spiritually present, but he’s not in the elements themselves; the elements donāt become the body and blood of Christ.
Still, other Protestants hold to the memorial viewāthe idea that you’re commemorating Jesusā death.
In this understanding, the elements are symbols which remain ontologically unaffected by the ritual.
We can’t see a substance or touch it or taste it.
Yet, it is real nevertheless.
And we believe Jesus meant what He said.
No matter how we view His statements about His Body and Blood, all Christians are effected by remembrance of Him when we partake of communion together.
Out here on the outer periphery of our Christian relationships much differs among us, but on the level of our relationship to our savior it is entirely a much more common experience than we realize.
Communion touch’s every Christian’s heart and emotions because of what takes place there for us all.
All of us submit to Christ and eat the Bread and drink the wine in communion.
How we view it is ours to own and respect while allowing others to do likewise.
Surfer, just as a small corection – Lutherans reject the term Consubstantiation. The Roman view of the trans suggests that the whole product transforms from bread & wine to body and blood – no bread and wine left.
Consubstantiation is a view that Lutherans have been falsely accused and we reject. It suggests that the bread and wine body and blood unite into a new substance. This is not the definition of the Real Presence. Nothing changes – there is no new product – it remains body, blood bread and wine.
Just wanted to say that I continue to pray for Alex and the lawsuit. Praying the truth continues to come out. And Alex, it has blessed me to read your posts declaring that you have placed this in the Lord’s hands and are seeking Him. You have gone through so much over the years, and we have all watched you go through so many changes. It is a joy to see you turning around and placing your faith and hope in Jesus. God bless you, my friend.
It’s all yours today…
He “Bent” the puck
with amazing skill
https://gfycat.com/NecessaryDapperFoxhound
https://kurtstaeuble.wordpress.com/2016/08/04/wheres-my-outrage-fix/
I posted this yesterday. Seemed to be in the spirit of the PP. A reflection on our 24/7 outrage, re…I mean “news” cycle.
Peace,
PH
Dealing with a little anticipatory grief, but it gave me some reason to think on what we really have to look forward to.
Anticipatory Joy
http://dswoager.wordpress.com/2016/08/04/anticipatory-joy/
Praying for Michael and Alex and the deposition… May truth be heard.
Thank you, Paige.
Pray that my blood pressure and wrath both stay manageable…
Want to echo Paige as far as the deposition goes.
ditto to the prayers on your behalf.
yes, praying with here also
a deposition? this morning i was reading in the 5th chapter of Mat. and thinking, how can we do that? agree with one’s adversary? don’t resist evil? just a yea and a nay? God keep Your children thru these evil times
A deposition? How?
Speak the truth in love.
Ephesians 4:14-16 4Then we will no longer be infants, tossed about by the waves and carried around by every wind of teaching and by the clever cunning of men in their deceitful scheming. 15Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into Christ Himself, who is the head. 16From Him the whole body is fitted and held together by every supporting ligament. And as each individual part does its work, the body grows and builds itself up in love.ā¦
May an awareness of God’s nearness ,in view of eternity, help with blood pressure, anxiety, righteous anger and give Michael words illustrating Truth that will lead to healing, closure, peace for Alex and other victims…..
Brett Favre got his Hall of Fame jacket last night.
I might or might not have shed a tear of joy during the festivities…. š
Sometimes you just have to pick your moments of joy.
Praying for you Michael.
I’m curious about the Episcopal church. I’ve looked online but am not able to nail down what exactly they believe. Is each church free to believe as they choose as far as abortion, homosexuality, etc? I’d appreciate help in understanding this denomination. Thank you.
Paige’s number 4. My sentiments, exactly. Praying for the truth to come out.
ERunner,
I don’t know much about it but I know it grew out of the Anglican Church. The Anglican Church recently disfellowshipped the American Episcopal church due to their support for anointing homosexual clergy and higher ecclesiastical authority. So the American Episcopals are basically pretty liberal on social issues, while The Anglicans are staunchly conservative.
Thanks Cash, I learned about their history via google but other than that there’s a lot to choose from. The church I’m looking at has zero information on their website outside of a calendar and photos. They do have a female pastor which really didn’t move me one way or the other.
Do you or anyone else know if there is more than the liberal American Episcopals; for example a more conservative and orthodox branch? Thanks again.
The name of the worldwide denomination is The Anglican Communion. 85 million members. Third largest denom. in the world.
The American church is called The Episcopal Church. I think most countries use “Anglican.”
There’s also a small, more conservative Anglican Church in North America.
http://anglicanchurch.net/
Like other mainline denoms, things can vary from one parish to another. Worship could be “low church” evangelical, or liturgy Lite, or Anglo-Catholic, also called “High Church” by some.
Thanks Lutheran. As the church I’m inquiring about offers nothing on their website I may have to call or drop by and ask. Thanks again.
There are Anglican churches in the US and they are much more orthodox than the liberal Episcopal church. . We listen to podcasts of this Anglican church: http://www.redeemernashville.net/about-us/
I caught this by way of our old friend here Patrick Heavside – who quoted Donavon Riley
“We believe a snake talked, a donkey preached, and God’s word became a man. But Jesus says “this is my body… this is my blood? Inconceivable!!!
Patrick, you need to come back here and post. š
Looking forward to an update on your case, Alex. That’s awesome that you could be there for Michael and that he is so committed to being there for you. You both must be exhausted.
I’ve seen a few of his fb posts about forgiveness and respecting your parents and slander. So pathetic and transparent and hippocritical. Your comebacks were entertaining when you were (strangely) not blocked. I am glad the depositions are going well for your side. I hope if this settles prior to a trial that it will not involve any kind of gag order for you. I pray you win, and regardless, that he will get nailed by the IRS for using church funds for the lawsuit, now that that is out in the open. And it’s long overdue that some CC guys step forward and speak up for you.
Suspension of disbelief š
MLD sparked up a great topic in my thoughts.
Just to review stuff all of us here already know…
Transubstantiation is the teaching that during the Mass, at the consecration in the Lord’s Supper (Communion), the elements of the Eucharist, bread and wine, are transformed into the actual body and blood of Jesus; and that they are no longer bread and wine but only retain their appearance of bread and wine.
The “Real Presence” is the term referring to Christ’s actual presence in the elements of the bread and the wine that have been transubstantiated.
Paragraph 1376 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) states,
The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring:
“Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood.
This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation (CCC, 1376).
Because they are the presence of Christ himself, Catholics worship and adore the elements.
Non denominational folks take another approach and choose to believe that Christ’s statements were figurative and not statement of fact.
While both Protestants and Catholics agree on who Jesus is, there are seven key issues which continue to distinguish their beliefs and practices.
The Eucharist
When it comes to the Eucharist, which most Protestants call āThe Lordās Supper,ā or āCommunion,ā the Roman Catholic Church holds to the doctrine of transubstantiationāthe idea that the edible ritual elements used during the mass literally become the body and blood of Christ.
At the moment that the priest says, āThis is my body,ā the invisible, unperceivable essence thatā¦you couldn’t see with an electron microscope, is there in a miracle.
It contains the body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ.
And that becomes the spiritual and physical nourishment.
As you partake of it, it becomes part of you, transforms you, and makes you more and more righteous.ā
In contrast, some Protestants, like Lutherans, hold to perspective called consubstantiation, where Jesusā body and blood are seen as coexisting with the bread and the wine.
Martin Luther likened this to the idea of a red-hot iron in a fireāunited, but not changed.
I like to call it āthe over, under, around and throughā view.
Jesus Christ surrounds the elements.
He’s spiritually present, but he’s not in the elements themselves; the elements donāt become the body and blood of Christ.
Still, other Protestants hold to the memorial viewāthe idea that you’re commemorating Jesusā death.
In this understanding, the elements are symbols which remain ontologically unaffected by the ritual.
We can’t see a substance or touch it or taste it.
Yet, it is real nevertheless.
And we believe Jesus meant what He said.
No matter how we view His statements about His Body and Blood, all Christians are effected by remembrance of Him when we partake of communion together.
Out here on the outer periphery of our Christian relationships much differs among us, but on the level of our relationship to our savior it is entirely a much more common experience than we realize.
Communion touch’s every Christian’s heart and emotions because of what takes place there for us all.
All of us submit to Christ and eat the Bread and drink the wine in communion.
How we view it is ours to own and respect while allowing others to do likewise.
Surfer, just as a small corection – Lutherans reject the term Consubstantiation. The Roman view of the trans suggests that the whole product transforms from bread & wine to body and blood – no bread and wine left.
Consubstantiation is a view that Lutherans have been falsely accused and we reject. It suggests that the bread and wine body and blood unite into a new substance. This is not the definition of the Real Presence. Nothing changes – there is no new product – it remains body, blood bread and wine.
Thanks M.
Never knew that.
Just wanted to say that I continue to pray for Alex and the lawsuit. Praying the truth continues to come out. And Alex, it has blessed me to read your posts declaring that you have placed this in the Lord’s hands and are seeking Him. You have gone through so much over the years, and we have all watched you go through so many changes. It is a joy to see you turning around and placing your faith and hope in Jesus. God bless you, my friend.
though we may not receive justice this side of heaven, I do ask that God would look down from heaven and see all that you have been impacted by.
How you have been treated and deal with these people according to their deeds towards you Alex.
May God do what is right in His eyes on your behalf.
you have been through the fire and been through the bitterness and then on to brokenness and submission to the will of God.
May you be blessed and satisfied in your soul forever more in Jesus name.
He is the lover of your soul.
And the healer of your wounds.
Blessed be the name of the Lord