“With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before God on high? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?” He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:6-8 ESV)
“Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love. He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea. You will show faithfulness to Jacob and steadfast love to Abraham, as you have sworn to our fathers from the days of old.” (Micah 7:18-20 ESV)
(1) The secular worldview, including management and leadership principles, is far more embedded in our lives than most of us would admit, myself not excluded.
(2) Since the rise and perceived success of Warren’s ministry, pastors have been all to willing to adopt the Peter Drucker principles of leadership and management. This feeds the theologian of glory in the old Adam in us.
Surfer, I remember being in a similar situation where I was fighting the impulse to eavesdrop on a conversation at a restaurant after picking up a few keywords… In my case it was a pretty young pastor to a very young pastor, giving some very worldly advice about potential ministry options.
It’s all yours today…
Impulse to Manipulate
http://dswoager.wordpress.com/2016/09/28/impulse-to-manipulate/
Chad Bird recorded a 6 minute video on the topic of prayer. Specifically: “Does Prayer Change Things? Even God’s Mind?” Give it a listen…
Another good message from Chad Bird.
A weekend meditation..
“With what shall I come before the Lord, and bow myself before God on high? Shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves a year old? Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with ten thousands of rivers of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?” He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:6-8 ESV)
“Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity and passing over transgression for the remnant of his inheritance? He does not retain his anger forever, because he delights in steadfast love. He will again have compassion on us; he will tread our iniquities underfoot. You will cast all our sins into the depths of the sea. You will show faithfulness to Jacob and steadfast love to Abraham, as you have sworn to our fathers from the days of old.” (Micah 7:18-20 ESV)
Jean…a very good word for today!
My wife and I went to breakfast at our locale restaurant this morning, next to the OC fair grounds.
Sitting at a table were two pastors, one young and one much older.
I caught sentences of their conversation that kind of stood out to me.
The young man mentioned the Harvest Crusades and Greg’s church along with TBN.
I think he was using these two things as an example of what my local county can support or spawn.
Another sentence I heard, “This area has the highest concentration of millionaires…”
I was left with the impression that the younger pastor had aspirations of starting something and becoming something.
The young pastor is missing it if his conversation is an indication of his heart and ministry.
He doesn’t understand the ministry at all.
Years ago John Wimber nailed it:
Surfer,
Two brief comments:
(1) The secular worldview, including management and leadership principles, is far more embedded in our lives than most of us would admit, myself not excluded.
(2) Since the rise and perceived success of Warren’s ministry, pastors have been all to willing to adopt the Peter Drucker principles of leadership and management. This feeds the theologian of glory in the old Adam in us.
Surfer, I remember being in a similar situation where I was fighting the impulse to eavesdrop on a conversation at a restaurant after picking up a few keywords… In my case it was a pretty young pastor to a very young pastor, giving some very worldly advice about potential ministry options.
Your post just sounded very familiar.
Also posted my weekend conversation thread… that is currently conversation free.
Christian Community
http://dswoager.wordpress.com/2016/10/01/christian-community/
Don’t eavesdrop. 🙂
They were being really loud right behind me.
I only say that to lighten your burdens. 🙂
Jesus eavesdropped on everyone – so many times the scripture says “and knowing what they said…” 😉
Jean,
“…and walk humbly with your God.”
How much would my personal life change if I could just keep this one little phrase in mind more often?
MLD, your #14..
Ha! I daresay that Jesus is the only person with divine permission to eavesdrop. 😉
MLD I think that you “naturalized” Jesus operating in Divine revelation.
I believe He didn’t overhear them.
After all Jesus is God in the flesh and we know that scripture indicates that God is omniscient.
But then again you did have a smiling emoji and I took the bait lol….