I listened and tried to put a good spin on it. If the pull back to become stronger for the oncoming issues, that would be good. But you may be right – they / we would probably become comfortable in the isolation.
just because engaging with society is difficult doesn’t signal the Church should punt. Perhaps periods in the prayer closet instead of holing up in a cloister would be in order.
I agree. I think part of their thing is to chill on politics, which I also agree with. But it does come across wanting to hole up and wait for the rapture.
“But now, since God has put my salvation out of the way of my will, and has taken it under His own, and has promised to save me, not according to my working or manner of life, but according to His own grace and mercy, I rest fully assured and persuaded that He is faithful, and will not lie, and moreover great and powerful, so that no devils, no adversities can destroy Him, or pluck me out of His hand. “No one (saith He) shall pluck them out of My hand, because My Father which gave them Me is greater than all.” (John x. 27-28).”
Michael @11,
It is easier to deal with such figures when they are farther back in history. Then we can ignore the worst of their oddities and sins or even ignore them completely. Lonnie is too recent, with too many witnesses still living who can attest to both the sins and the great impact he had.
Lonnie is too messy a topic. Please ignore the lump in the carpet. Don’t look at what has been swept under it. As the Mormons say when denying reality, “all is well in Zion”.
The Break Point article does not make any sense. It is old hash like Surfer says, but why now? More than my wonder regarding the timing, is the intellectual short circuit on how Bill Bright is great and godly while Lonnie was hounded by demons. Who’s keeping score here?
Both Bright and Frisbee received messages, or visitations, mentioning “nations” in some variant. Both then acted on the other worldly message. So what’s the problem?
Maybe the issue is Lonnie was kind of cool, and Bright not so much. I like Lonnie’s encounter more.
It’s all yours today…
http://www.russellmoore.com/2017/03/10/signposts-conversation-rod-dreher/
Russell Moore Interviewing Rod Dreher about the Benedict Option.
I like Eggs Benedict – is that the same thing?
Pretty close from what I can tell.
I’ve never had eggs benedict. Does it taste something like evangelical isolationism?
I listened and tried to put a good spin on it. If the pull back to become stronger for the oncoming issues, that would be good. But you may be right – they / we would probably become comfortable in the isolation.
I remember hearing something about ‘go into all the world and make disciples’ or something to that effect. Is that what Dreher proposes? 😉
If by “all the world” you mean “Dreher’s secret bunker”, then yes.
I’m kidding around. It doesn’t sound THAT bad.
just because engaging with society is difficult doesn’t signal the Church should punt. Perhaps periods in the prayer closet instead of holing up in a cloister would be in order.
I agree. I think part of their thing is to chill on politics, which I also agree with. But it does come across wanting to hole up and wait for the rapture.
“But now, since God has put my salvation out of the way of my will, and has taken it under His own, and has promised to save me, not according to my working or manner of life, but according to His own grace and mercy, I rest fully assured and persuaded that He is faithful, and will not lie, and moreover great and powerful, so that no devils, no adversities can destroy Him, or pluck me out of His hand. “No one (saith He) shall pluck them out of My hand, because My Father which gave them Me is greater than all.” (John x. 27-28).”
Martin Luther, The Bondage of the Will
Someone else who doesn’t know what to do with Lonnie Frisbee…
http://www.breakpoint.org/2017/03/lonnie-frisbee-sad-story-hippie-preacher/
Michael @11,
It is easier to deal with such figures when they are farther back in history. Then we can ignore the worst of their oddities and sins or even ignore them completely. Lonnie is too recent, with too many witnesses still living who can attest to both the sins and the great impact he had.
Lonnie is too messy a topic. Please ignore the lump in the carpet. Don’t look at what has been swept under it. As the Mormons say when denying reality, “all is well in Zion”.
The article was just re-hash from stuff that one can find easily these days on the net about Frisbee.
No new revelation of how or why God used such a man to do what he accomplished in his short life time.
There are quite a few people on Facebook that grew up with Lonnie and witnessed his life.
They are the ones who have a better understanding about Frisbee.
It is a mystery of Grace that God chooses to move through less than perfect vessels.
The leaky cracked clay pot instead of the shiny smooth gold vessel.
God never seems to call the capable, He makes capable those whom He calls.
We are weak but He is strong…Yes Jesus loves me… (tune running through my head)
The Break Point article does not make any sense. It is old hash like Surfer says, but why now? More than my wonder regarding the timing, is the intellectual short circuit on how Bill Bright is great and godly while Lonnie was hounded by demons. Who’s keeping score here?
Both Bright and Frisbee received messages, or visitations, mentioning “nations” in some variant. Both then acted on the other worldly message. So what’s the problem?
Maybe the issue is Lonnie was kind of cool, and Bright not so much. I like Lonnie’s encounter more.
Beautifully said Surfer.
“Who’s keeping score here?”
Exactly Nathan