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  1. Michael says:

    I shall only note that today is the 83rd birthday of Jerry Lee Lewis and I thank God he’s still here…

  2. Michael says:

    Thanks, Duane…I can’t believe I missed that one.
    Nick wrote the definitive rock and roll biography on Jerry…”Hellfire”…one of the best bios ever written whether you like Jerry Lee or not…

  3. CM says:

    83 years old….

    Goodness gracious great balls of fire….

  4. Candance McGee says:

    I’m sorry Michael, I really do hate to be a wet blanket. But I cannot help but be completely floored by what appears to be a completely hypocritical world view, here.
    On one blog, you are literally telling anyone who will listen that just the faintest whisper of a POSSIBLITY of child abuse should be met with nothing less than jail time, AFTER being tossed out of the church, and of course, removal from any leadership position.
    On the other hand, a rock star who the whole world knows married his 13 YEAD OLD COUSIN, while he was STILL MARRIED to his second wife (who he married while still married to his first wife), is your hero.
    Now I’m sure you’re going to say something like, “But he’s not a man of God!” But child molestation is the same beast regardless of who the molester is. And in this case, it’s NOT a case of rumors, and a single, unconfirmed account that was “un-reported”. It is verified by the victim (even though she does not consider herself a victim) and the Suspect, who has never understood why the world has condemned him for his actions.
    Well, not the whole world. Apparently you don’t think there is anything wrong with marrying your 13 year old cousin.

  5. Michael says:

    Candace, you are nothing if not persistent.
    First on the charge of hypocrisy…yes…and paradoxical and inconsistent and many other unsavory things we shall not speak of.
    I have so much more than a faint whisper in the the case you speak of…someday, when the truth is known, you will excoriate me for not exposing it all sooner and with greater force.
    The sins of Jerry Lee Lewis have been shouted at me since the time of my birth.
    I am more aware of them than you are…as I have spoken with most of the clan at one time or another and forgot more about them before coffee this morning than you have gleaned from popular sources.
    The main thing the young Lewis was guilty of was being raised in the Mississippi Delta in the 40’s and 50’s.
    His sister Frankie married at 12, His other sister, Linda Gail, married the first of 8 husbands at 14.
    Civilized standards had not yet reached Ferriday, Louisiana in 1956…
    Right and wrong are often cultural assertions…I do not endorse what he did, I simply understand why he did it.
    Trust me when I tell you that he’s done far worse things in his life.
    Far worse…yes and amen.
    He knows it too.
    Jerry Lee Lewis has always been caught between heaven and hell…a man with prodigious gifts and more prodigious appetites.
    He knows God and is on a first name basis with The Devil.
    He is in all things,both good and evil, a character of biblical proportions.
    He is a living caricature of what it means to be saint and sinner and there has not been a day when he has rested fully in either.
    Now, your wrath against him doesn’t bother me…it’s the comparison between a giant of a sinner like Lewis and and flaccid vermin like Coy.
    Lewis has never hid anything…his sins and failures were in your face, painted in neon, and set on fire for all to see.
    Coy snuck about hiding behind the skirts of the church, lifting them up occasionally to see what he could see.
    I have heard the thunder from the Lewis left hand since it first shook me in my mothers womb.
    Every day of 60 years, the thunder has rolled.
    It will usher me into heaven as well.
    Have a nice day…

  6. Em says:

    This morning my daughter was recalling the life story of one of her musician heroes, Stevie Ray Vaughan; she said that if there ever was a celebrity whose life story should be told… “but they never will as he ended up clean, sober and an outspoken advocate for God.”
    “God be merciful to me, a sinner.” seems to me there’s a lesson somewhere in the Gospels regarding that declaration as opposed to thanking God that you are holy ( when you’re not ) ?

  7. Dan from Georgia says:


    I like your comment, and I too am a fan of SRV. I do vaguely remember where I was when I heard about his death. From what I can tell, he was on a sober path when he died in the accident. What you said at the end of your comment is appropriate. Way too often we Christians cluck our tongues at unsaved celebrities and act all holier-than-thou. We should be more humble.

    And for the record, I have a list of favorite “secular” musicians whom I love to listen too, and a few names on that list would get me tarred and feathered in some circles.

  8. Em says:

    Dan from GA, yes, the man, by God’s miracle IMV , began drinking at age six and lived on cocaine and whiskey until he hit bottom, fell on his knees and asked God for deliverance, no miracle happened then, but he enrolled in the twelve step program and lived clean and sober for about four years until he bummed a ride in a helicopter in bad weather and flew into the side of something, killing all on board… as my daughter told the story, his playing actually improved as he played sober… I guess Eric Clapton said the man could play a whole concert with a skill that Clapton felt good if he could match it for two minutes… I’ll have to see if i can find him on internet and listen to what he could do ….
    Now i don’t know if the man accepted Christ, but it seems logical
    Yes, we Christians can forget why we are “not like other men”

  9. Erunner says:

    At different churches I’ve seen on page sermon notes that you fill in during the message. Today’s was titled “Tools to build a great marriage. ” They all look pretty much the same and I’m wondering if these are made available for pastors or they put these together themselves. Thanks.

  10. Jean says:

    There are services, such as this one from Rick Warren, which sell sermon helps, transcripts, etc., to pastors for a fee.

  11. McGarrett says:


    Your replies, IMO, are way off. I know of a band, Cecilio and Kapono, who were considered to have created some of the greatest soft rock in Hawaii, during the 70’s and early 80’s (prior to Jack Johnson). One of them fell into legal issues, doing something very wrong, and paid Societies debt. This individual never professed to be a Christian. Does that mean that I do not enjoy listening to their music, or appreciate their music to this day, because of one of them sinning? I do not expect good secular music to reflect Christ, yet it can still calm my soul in certain moments, just as Heart Felt Gospel Music can. My church at that time, during the 2005’s, showed a series of videos on the family (I believe it was for 12 weeks or so), by who else, but Pastor Coy. Then the truth hits the fan, and we see what a Charlatan/Fraud, this man was. It disgusts me, to see anyone lending any sort of credence of grace to what one of “God’s Anointed” was found to be caught up in, way above and beyond the initial sin.

  12. Duane Arnold says:


    Please save your return comment on Jerry Lee… It is a great piece of writing.

  13. Erunner says:

    Thank you Jean, these seem quite popular. So a pastor is not doing his own studies in preparation for Sunday but simply adding jokes, personal stories , etc. while presenting another man’s work? I have no issue with any pastor using commentaries, dictionaries, etc. but this seems very different. It appears it is a great tool for growing a church, not so much for making disciples.

  14. Erunner says:

    McGarrett, I’m a huge music collector. I grew up on Cat Stevens, Simon and Garfunkle, and other artist of the era who addressed real life issues in their songs. Artists with questions in their songs while others addressed real life issues. Those songs stuck with me and I believe helped prepare me for hearing and believing the Gospel message. To this day many of those songs still stir my soul although the artists are not believers to this day.

  15. McGarrett says:


    A ginormous amen to you. Could not agree more with your reflections. Mahalo!

  16. Em says:

    Ahem…. Pastors have had access to books of prepared sermons for decades…. Dr. Martin Luther King got caught once and my Baptist mother in law changed churches when she realised that her pastor used them…. ?

  17. Erunner says:

    Thanks McGarrett.

    Em, I was honestly embarrassed sitting through the service yesterday. Most of it seemed like stand up comedy with people laughing out loud. I’m really limited in churches I can get to and now I seem to be in another dilemma. I’ve had a tough time finding a church. Just keep running into odd situations.

  18. Em says:

    Erunner, the world’s “oddness” is taking over… things that used to be on the fringe of our lives and avoidable now seem to run the show…. or so it seems to me…

    my daughter just played this Stevie Ray Vaughan for me, so thot i’d link it here for Dan from GA., not my cup of tea, but i am impressed nevertheless 🙂
    IF my link links:

  19. Em says:

    well, gee whiz… i had no idea how this utube thing works obviously… feel free to take the above down, if it is a bit invasive (and it is)

  20. Erunner says:

    Awesome music Em!!

    My wife and I are so anxious to find a church. Do we attend so we can be among other believers or do we move on? I am very isolated and being among other believers is something I crave. Still not sure what to do.

  21. Em says:

    I’ll tell my daughter what you said and i Will be praying, E…
    it used to discourage me to find a good pastor and a congregation that was uncomfortable talking about the things of the Faith. ?

  22. Dan from Georgia says:

    Thanks Em! I love watching guitarists who make it look so effortless!

  23. Candance McGee says:

    Actually Michael, I know a lot more about Jerry than you give me credit for. My father was a dyed in the wool fan. I’m also well aware of the unique nature of sexual relationships in that culture, in that day.
    I was not referring to Bob Coy the preacher who was cheating on his wife, abusing drugs, and using pornography while wearing the disguise of a preacher. I’m referring to the humbled human being who has been accused of a despicable crime of which there is no evidence, no witnesses, no corroboration, and now, no victim. And I won’t go into your comments about Chuck Mitzler.
    My point, good sir, is that while it IS appropriate to hold a man of God to the higher standard, it is NOT an excuse to automatically place undo faith in the claims of a teenager who suddenly decides to accuse him of a crime. And then un-accuse him.
    You have no issue whatsoever with a man closer to 30 than 20 marrying his child relative. That’s ok, because that’s “their culture”. You do realize that is the same reason Muslims give when they beat, disfigure, or even murder their female children here in the USA? It’s their culture, totally acceptable, where they come from. If the men feel they have been dishonored. Like if their daughter has been raped, and she has not had the grace to kill herself.
    My point is still the same. Bob Coy is still innocent of the charges of child abuse/molestation. In fact, he has never even BEEN charged with any of those crimes, so it is inappropriate for you to lead the lynching party.
    That’s all. I may disagree with you on some points, Michael. Like this, and the whole Calvary Chapel thing, but I can’t help but love you anyway. God bless, sir

  24. McGarrett says:


    “I’m referring to the humbled human being who has been accused of a despicable crime of which there is no evidence, no witnesses, no corroboration, and now, no victim”. Can you please inform us where you came up with the “humble” spin?

  25. Kevin H says:


    You sure have a thing for protecting Bob Coy as it seems as if that is the main thrust every time you have commented here. Makes one wonder.

    No evidence? – There is a police report documented with the words of the alleged victim along with her mother’s corroboration.

    No witnesses? – Sadly, the only witnesses to these types of horrible crimes are often only the victim and the perpetrator as the perp is obviously careful to commit the horrible acts only when no one else is around. As someone who supposedly worked in law enforcement, you should clearly realize this.

    No corroboration? – Her mother clearly corroborated in the reporting of the alleged crimes and Michael has the word of many others who worked or were involved at CCFL who corroborated circumstances and/or suspicions. Sadly, the no-talk culture in Calvary Chapel scares them from going on the record so it is left for Michael to take the brunt of the attacks on his own. However, Michael’s record of reporting the behind the scenes ongoings of Calvary Chapel over many many years has proven to be pristine. His record of accuracy and veracity leaves us no reason to doubt his reporting.

    No victim? – Just because the alleged victim chose to not want to go through with the case does not mean in any terms whatsoever that she still may not have been a victim. Again, for someone who claims to have worked in law enforcement, you should know much better than that. What we have reported is not that the victim took the accusations back (as you claim), only that she didn’t want to go through with it because she wanted to focus on forgiveness instead. If there was nothing done wrong in the first place, what in the world would she have to forgive?

  26. Michael says:

    “I’m referring to the humbled human being who has been accused of a despicable crime of which there is no evidence, no witnesses, no corroboration, and now, no victim. ”

    I have all of the above…

    “You have no issue whatsoever with a man closer to 30 than 20 marrying his child relative. ”

    I have never said that.


    I have said the same things I say when I used to get the “Calvin murdered Servetus” line…lets look at the culture historically.

    By the way, Jerry was 22 when he married Myra…

  27. Candance McGee says:

    Yes, Kevin, I am a retired police officer. And as such I am very aware of the circumstances of sexual assault, the lack of “witnesses” of the actual crime is often a problem when it comes to prosecution. However, there are other ways witnesses come into play. In this case the reporting party’s mother is not a witness, because she was never told of any of the alleged crimes, nor did she ever suspect anything was going on.
    The “victim” wanted her report “destroyed”. You clearly do not understand what the psychology of that says. She didn’t just want the papers destroyed, she wants to “take it back”. Undo it, take back the words, make it go away, like she did. She left the country on a missionary trip, perhaps to seek forgiveness for herself for even for making the accusation. Perhaps she just wants to be out of public view, afraid to be found out. When one feels guilty, they feel like everyone can see through them, and can see their guilt.
    Having “suspicions” is not evidence. There is always evidence of sexual assault. She did not have any to turn over.
    I do not know Bob Coy. I do know about people who have suffered from being falsely accused in the media. Anybody paying attention to what’s happening to Judge Kavanaugh? Dr. Ford has about the same amount of evidence that she was assaulted by Brett Kavanaugh as this girl does that Bob Coy ever assaulted her.
    As a LEO (once a cop, always a cop), I cannot stand by silently while an innocent person (remember, innocent until proven guilty) is virtually lynched by all these loving, forgiving, people of God, who would rather believe a gossip rag than look at solid evidence…or the lack of it, as we have here.
    You might ask yourself, why are you so willing, so gleeful, in fact, to accept this claim? This claim with NO foundation? Better yet, understand this can happen to ANYONE. Even you. Now put yourself in his shoes, and ask yourself how important actual evidence is.

  28. Michael says:


    I’m too sick to say much…but I have evidence and corroboration.

    Kevin has seen some of the evidence…either you haven’t or you’re working for Coy.

    Your time is short here…

  29. Michael says:

    One more thing.
    There are other situations Coy was involved in that I don’t have the resources to investigate.
    Those allegations haven’t been made here.
    I have to be sure… and I am.

  30. Jean says:

    “Your time is short here…”

    A rapture of sorts.

  31. Reuben says:

    Kevin H, totally off topic, but hear yourself on Coy, and transpose it to Kavanaugh. Things sure do change, even convictions, when it is an issue of politics…

  32. Kevin H says:


    I hear what you’re saying, but I also don’t think the cases are apples to apples. As Michael said, I have personally seen some of the evidence of the accusations against Coy and it is quite supposable and incriminating. Again, not being able to say much more to protect the identity of the alleged victim. In the cases against Kavanaugh, there seemingly is not the same level of documented evidence, nor would I have the opportunity to personally see whatever may exist. I also fully trust Michael, as he has proven to be trustworthy, that he has spoken to quite a few other pastors associated with Coy who corroborated information on the case. Unfortunately, for Christine Blasey Ford, there is not as much corroborating evidence, particularly in respect to all the other people she named as being at the party have not corroborated anything helpful on her behalf, only the opposite. The other accusers appear to have even less corroborating evidence, at least of what we have been made aware of.

    Taking these things all into account, my personal opinion is that it is highly likely that Coy is guilty, and while I lean towards the likelihood of Kavanaugh’s guilt, the direct evidence against him is simply just much more scant. Therefore, my opinion is much stronger in one case then the other.

    I am one who earnestly tries not to allow my political/church affiliations to color my judgment as to the rightness and wrongness of situations. Do I do this perfectly? Of course not. We all have biases no matter how hard we may sometimes try to moderate them. But in comparison to many others, I believe I am significantly less politically partisan in my understandings. I believe my writings here, when I have waded into political issues, attest to that.

  33. Em says:

    My granddaughter just lost her charming, loving kitty… in the city
    Someone came in late and didn’t realise that Hazel had darted out… the coyotes were waiting….
    Taking a page from Michael – Hazel ended up a perfect illustration of the disastrous results of combining unchecked willfulness and ignorance…
    My granddaughter has a gruelling college schedule, if you think of her in your prayer time, a remembrance before the Throne would be very appreciated… ?

  34. Michael says:


    Please send my condolences to your granddaughter…praying for her not only for the loss,but for the ability to forgive whoever let out the kitty…

  35. Em says:

    thank you, Michael – will tell her … hope there.s lots of folk there to give you the hugs that the rest of us cannot 🙂

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