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  1. Now that is long, and most probably aren’t interested. Good for Mohler, bas for Phil Johnson, and Macaurthur just sounds like a woefully out of touch old man.

  2. Michael says:

    That incident is causing big ripples among Calvinists of many stripes…Mohler was mad…

  3. Yes, he was a little irritated.

    Dever is speaking truth right now. This is good stuff.

  4. Mac is just …old white guy. Unfortunate.

  5. Outside T. Fold says:

    “Power, properly understood, is the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength required to bring about social, political or economic changes. In this sense power is not only desirable but necessary in order to implement the demands of love and justice. One of the greatest problems of history is that the concepts of love and power are usually contrasted as polar opposites. love is identified with a resignation of power and power with a denial of love. It was this misinterpretation that caused Nietzsche, this philosopher of the ‘will to power,’ to reject the Christian concept of love. It was this same misinterpretation which induced Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche’s philosophy of the ‘will to power’ in the name of the Christian idea of love. What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive and that love without power is sentimental and anemic. Power at its bests is love implementing the demands of justice. Justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love.”

    Slowly making my way through Martin Luther King Jr’s last book, Where do we go from here: Chaos or Community? [1968] and thought I’d share one passage with everyone.

  6. Outside T. Fold says:

    It is a truth universally acknowledged that typos do not appear to one until after the comment is posted.

    *power at its best.

    (I was too focused on terms underlined that didn’t pass the computer’s built-in spell checker. Best and Bests are both words that work in the dictionary, so it did not appear.)

  7. Xenia says:

    Welp, as I have often done in the past, I am going to say good-bye for the duration of Lent, which starts Monday. I’ll still pop to read to make sure everyone’s ok but I won’t be posting unless something pretty serious happens.

    Forgiveness Sunday is in a few days and I want to ask you all to please forgive me for the hurtful and provocative things I have said in the past year.

    I particularly want to apologize to Em for some of the harsh things I’ve said about her conservative views. (We are both conservatives, anyway.)

    For those who are observing Lent, go forth with God! May you learn some new things about Him.

    For Michael, I’m sorry for some grouchiness I have manifested lately. 🙁

    And for Reuben, I just wanna give you a big hug. Be well. (You too, Phil.)

    Love to everyone and see you after Pascha when I shall return with my usual giddy description of Orthodox Easter.

    Love to you all!


  8. Xenia says:

    *pop in

  9. Em says:

    No worries Xenia… I just comment on how things look, looking back down the road and I believe it was Paul who told us to forget the past (that advice probably needs some unpacking. ?).
    My prayer is that all here pray for wisdom – it will come to us all if we’re searching and praying, eh?
    May you be blessed in your coming observance period, Xenia

  10. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    A little positive something – “God’s reputation is at stake in your baptism…and that’s good for you.” – This is very good news.

  11. Jtk says:

    A younger believer asked what percentage of unregenerate Jewish people are looking for a Savior/Messiah, theologically (in their system)?

    I suspect it is .001%.
    Am I wrong?

  12. Em says:

    Well, i think the ultra orthodox Jew still has much influence in Israel… I wonder if the dispersed, more secular Jews believe the tradition, too…. There may be more than we think… hard times might revive a search for a “savior.” But isn’t that true for most people?
    i once heard a Christian who’d converted from Islam make a strong case for a false messiah coming out of the muslim community…. Beware of messiahs coming up in the well bucket? ? sigh

  13. Em says:

    Sigh (again) … Tomorrow where i live it will be four o’clock, not three at this time of day… ? ?
    I don’t think that God believes in DST

  14. Mud Man says:

    I’ve been to Israel many times over the past three years and while Jewish traditions, such as the festivals, Kosher and other things are an integral part of the culture, the Hasidic are another Jewish sect that lives in the country.

    With the exception of Jerusalem, the more secular Jews are probably the largest population of Jews and actually quietly talk (ok not always so quietly) about the Hasidic and how they need to participate more in the general culture. There is actually a fight over them not having to serve in the IDF like the rest of the population does.

    Yes they have influence, but I think we outsiders tend to forget Israel is a secular nation based on Jewish laws and ideals. It is also quite Western because of the large number of European Jews who immigrated there since the 40s.

    I think in general Christians tend to group all Jews together and don’t know there is a fair amount of diversity in the various sects, some even to the point of unbelief in God and the whole Biblical story. Of course they tend to group all Christians together and is in general analogous with being Catholic.

    How many are looking for Messiah? I would say all of the Hasidic and most of the conservative Jews are. Now what number is that out of the whole population? That would be hard to determine these days, but .001% is far to low and calling them “unregenerate” is a Christian tradition and not theirs.

  15. Mud Man says:

    I love DST. Light in the late afternoon early evening is far better than in the AM. Just my opinion.

  16. Nathan Priddis says:

    Looks like the ripples keep going.
    CCC is claiming copyright infringement on the video, it appears.

  17. Em says:

    Mud Man, yes, but wouldn’t it be nice to not keep going from one to the other? My favorite time to do yard work has always been after supper until dark…. dunno why …?…

  18. Em says:

    On his visit to tornado victims, two little girls asked President Trump to sign their Bibles… Should he have refused to do so?

  19. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Two points.
    1.) No Jews look for a Messiah that would match Jesus. Most Jews who even have a concept of messiah really just believe in some messianic age – brought on by the people themselves. This is how they interpret Isaiah 53.

    2.) Come to Arizona. We do not turn the clock at all and we do not do Daylight Savings – we do not need more summer sun.

  20. Jean says:

    For anyone who would like a two and a half minute summary of Lutheran worship, please watch the linked video beginning at 43:30.

  21. Jean says:

    The idea of Trump signing a Bible for an unrelated fan or political supporter is the highest form of sacrilege I can imagine.

    One must ask: Why the Bible?

  22. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Signing a bible is sacrilege? Even worse – it is the highest form of sacrilege? I find this objection itself to be more of idol making of a Thomas Nelson or Zondervan publication. If the bible in your study is so holy why are we allowed to write notes in it – imagine, me putting my thoughts (as corrupt as they are) right next to the word of God.
    If someone thought me important enough and asked me to sign, I would – a brief note, perhaps a bible reference and my name – no problem.

    (but then, I don’t hate Trump as most here do. 🙂 )

  23. Michael says:

    When the ESV Study Bible came out I thought about asking Dr. Packer to sign mine…he was the editor of the volume.
    I decided it was inappropriate even though Dr. Packer is a Christian, unlike the the other guy.
    I don’t think it’s a big deal…unless my kid brought it home, at which point I’d beat him with the inscribed text.. 🙂

  24. Em says:

    Thinking on Trump signing the little girls’ Bibke…. I seriously doubt that heaven quaked…. but, then, i don’t think our Lord is upset that some see Trump as honoring the Faith
    HOWEVER, we had better be concerned that people untaught and on the fringe of understanding the Bible could slide over into looking for a leader rising from the population that they identify as holy…
    Another question: do we have any Scripture that would lead us to believe such a thing? Before Messiah’s return?

  25. Michael says:

    If the Lord is pleased with Trump, I’m in the wrong religion.

    There are Scriptures about the rise of Anti-christ…which I believe Trump is a preview of…and some evangelicals have bought the act hook, line, and sinker…

  26. Em says:

    I wonder what percentage of the world’s population today the Lord is “pleased” with….. my understanding of the Faith is that it isn’t the individual sins of unbelievers that concern a Holy God, rather it is the fact of them. The Redeemed souls on the other hand….
    I think i agree with your thoughts on Trump (not of his own volition, perhaps) grooming us for an Anti-christ…
    BTW – does any ruler rise to power outside the plan of God?
    Also, jay inslee, governor of washington state running for President? IMNSHO not good…

  27. bob1 says:

    on the fringe of understanding the Bible could slide over into looking for a leader rising from the population that they identify as holy…

    You mean like this?

    The evangelical Loonie Tunes are already here.

  28. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Good content must be scarce these past few months. It seems all the articles turn to Trump.
    However I did like today’s – it seems some have now moved away from Trump is Hitler to now Trump is the anti Christ.
    Chuckles all around – reading the Bible with today’s news never dies.

  29. Michael says:

    I said that Trump was a type of AC before he was even elected…

  30. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    The fact that professing christians label people as the 2nd worst bible character is sad and biblically weak.
    Jack van Impe stuff.

  31. Michael says:

    I said he’s a type…and I stand by that. Sadder to me are professing Christians supporting someone like him..

  32. Michael says:

    I’m also aware that these discussions are pointless as people are entrenched in what they believe. I just want a record that I spoke against him for posterity.

  33. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    How is a type different than the “authentic” or whatever you would call it? A type is an exact replica that precedes what it types.

    You can call him that, it doesn’t bother me – it just shows that you are politically motivated trying to sway people’s votes in the coming election.
    You used to speak out against that. As I said earlier, every thread turns to anti Trump.

    End of my part, you can have the last word.

  34. Michael says:

    I do have huge political concerns about him. Much more importantly he shows us how divided the church is on who and what is holy…and what constitutes righteousness. My life is about faith and theology…and I find this to be the most challenging time in my lifetime to define both.

  35. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    What the he’ll, I lied. One last comment. Obama had similar border policies to Trump. Restricted the flow of illegals, actually deported more than Trump, caged kids, used ICE with no restrictions.
    Claimed to be a Christian and fully supported abortion on demand.
    Never did you call him a type of anti Christ. The congresswoman from Minnesota, Omar says you were fooled by his smile and that is how he got away with his wickedness.

  36. Michael says:

    I wrote extensively about Obama and immigration…and conservatives said I was lying. Trump has upped the draconian measures to levels we haven’t seen before. Christians tended to loathe Obama so AC comparisons were foolish.

  37. Jean says:


    What sets Trump apart from Obama or any previous (and hopefully future) President is that he is holistically evil. By that I mean that in almost every category of his executive office he promotes and, to the best of his ability, promotes evil, except on the topic of abortion. Let’s just list the top 10:

    (1) He denigrates (to delegitimze) the freedom of the press, which is essential for a healthy democracy (or democratic republic)
    (2) He explodes the national debt by steeling from the poor and our grandchildren to give to the rich, through tax legislation that favors the rich and entrenches economic injustice. He lied his tax program having a positive impact on the deficit.
    (3) He works against affordable healthcare for Americans.
    (4) He works against gun safety and gun control and so against the safety of Americans. He works against law enforcement!
    (5) He works against food safety.
    (6) He works against environmental protection.
    (7) He works against public education.
    (8) He works against civility and maintaining a unified nation.
    (9) He works against racial reconciliation and equality.
    (10) He works against America’s standing in the world as a leader of Democratic values.

    He works at all this daily and weekly. Every day he attempts through executive orders and deregulation to accomplish evil. One could honestly say that Trump is the worst self-inflicted thing that our Republic has ever encountered.

  38. Em says:

    I often watched Obama and thought that he was exactly what the anti-christ would model … course i guess that’s kind of a no brainer … “Trust in me, trust in me . … to run your life for you?”

  39. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Jean, since you have never met the man, or spoken to him to clarify the differences you have and have heard all this through 3rd parties – (I’ll bet you are a CNN Chris Cuomo consumer) – why would I take your list with any validity?

    But then as one who thinks that Trump signing a Bible to be the biggest sacrilege possible, you may just be excitable – or is it hysterical? 🙂

  40. Michael says:

    Unfortunately, the division over this person is such that reasoned conversation is impossible.
    We will do nothing but offend each other…and we’re all offended enough.

  41. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Michael – that is why I brought it up. It seems to be the 2nd day topic on all threads – or faintly the actual article. I believe you can be a Christian, even in good standing regardless of one’s politics.

    I belong to a half dozen Facebook baseball sites. Two constant rules – no politics and no dropping the F Bomb. Perhaps we should abide by the same.

  42. Jean says:

    “Never before has a president asked for funding, Congress has not provided it, and the president then has used the National Emergencies Act of 1976 to spend the money anyway,” Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, said. “The problem with this is that after a Revolutionary War against a king, our nation’s founders gave to Congress the power to approve all spending so that the president would not have too much power. This check on the executive is a crucial source of our freedom.”

  43. bob1 says:

    What’s to keep the Other Side from declaring an emergency? Climate change, abortion,
    gun violence…fill in the blank.

    Trump is the most reckless, lawless president our country has had in a long time.

  44. bob1 says:

    From today’s Denver Post:”

    “This is a bogus emergency that takes executive over-reach to an extreme not seen even under President Barack Obama. Trump’s declaration is an abuse of his power, a direct overturning of Congress’ deliberate decision to pass a federal budget without funding for a wall.

    Put simply this is a constitutional crisis…”

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