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  1. Erunner says:

    Robert F. Kennedy’s 22 year old Granddaughter was found dead yesterday at the Kennedy compound. She had written about her life with depression in the past. This family has suffered so much through the years. Actual cause of death has yet to be announced but a young woman is no longer with us. We can never over state the epedemic of mental illness ravaging our nation.

  2. JoelG says:

    This is devastating, Erunner. May the Lord have mercy and comfort all involved here.

  3. Em says:

    If you tell someone, “snap out of it” and they don’t? … It is time to take a serious attitude of concern and support for that person… The brain is an organ, like everything else that God put inside us and is vulnerable … trouble is it is the processor that runs our whole system … ask any old person who is slowing down .. ?

  4. bob1 says:

    I found a fascinating article on the Washington Post website.

    It was about the connection between Donald Trump and Marianne
    Williamson, the New Agey individual running for president. At first
    glance, it would seem they have nothing in common.

    But they do. What they have in common is that they’re both adherents of
    “me first” religion. The article subhead says,

    “The conviction that you can shape the world with your mind is an American tradition.”

    Then the article, which is kinda long, talks about the recent history
    of self and mind-centered religion in the US. The author talks about the
    rise of New Thought around 1900 (think Christian Science) and
    how it infiltrated fundamentalism. Trump and his parents were
    followers of Norman Vincent Peale and went to his church.

    “Many Americans of almost every political and spiritual affiliation share the inheritance of New Thought ideology: a distrust of institutions and experts, a reliance on personal intuition and feeling, and a conviction that “self-actualization” will lead inexorably to a bigger house, a better job, a banging body.”

    The Prosperity gospel is taught in as many as a third of all evangelical churches, according to LifeWay research.

    It’s a fascinating read, and if you believe her research and opinions, shows that beliefs do indeed have real-world consequences.

  5. Michael says:


    That is an interesting piece…

  6. bob1 says:


    Yes. The author seems to think that this might explain the way Trump’s always exaggerating
    things. I’m not so sure. But it is one hell of a piece!

  7. Jtk says:

    I can’t seem to find the article right now ..
    But some study said that born-again Christian‘s that do not attend church every week were much more likely to vote for Donald Trump.

    The born-again Christian‘s who did attend church every week were much more likely to vote for Ted Cruz in the primaries.

    Anyone recall the study?

    I just communicated with a young man who used to go to church, and hates Donald Trump.

    I told him if he doesn’t go to church every week, Donald Trump wins

  8. Duane Arnold says:

    Last week colleagues at the National Cathedral issued an open letter as a response to the racist rhetoric emanating from the White House. Sadly, it seems to have been prophetic…
    “Make no mistake about it, words matter. And, Mr. Trump’s words are dangerous.
    These words are more than a “dog-whistle.” When such violent dehumanizing words come from the President of the United States, they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists who consider people of color a sub-human “infestation” in America. They serve as a call to action from those people to keep America great by ridding it of such infestation. Violent words lead to violent actions.”

    Lord Have Mercy, Christ Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy…

  9. Em says:

    Dr. Duane we do want our statesmen to conduct themselves like … statesmen, but….
    Have you heard what has bern spewing out of the mouths of our Congresspeople? ? ? Rabble-rousing at its finest

  10. Erunner says:

    Duane, I’m not sure these evil murderers were pushed over the line because of the president’s words. I guess we could speculate as much but I wouldn’t put money on it. We’ve heard violent words from muslins, blacks, and mexicans through the years. We’ve also seen violence from these groups as well as others. If you’re going to buy into white supremacy as well as any other group espousing violence there will be times that sick individuals do the unthinkable.

    My heart breaks for all of the victims and all those impacted by what has taken place in the last few days. Unknown numbers have had their lives permenately scarred for life. Sadly it seems human life has very little meaning for so many. It’s terrible that I’m afraid of my wife and grown children being out at night or simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    You are 100% correct here. “Lord Have Mercy, Christ Have Mercy, Lord Have Mercy…”

  11. Duane Arnold says:

    No matter the source, I agree with my colleagues, “Violent words lead to violent actions.”

  12. Jean says:

    “Have you heard what has bern spewing out of the mouths of our Congresspeople? ? ? ”

    Yes, I have. For example:

    Affordable healthcare for all.
    Affordable medicine for all.
    Humane treatment of immigrants.
    Fair treatment of minorities by law enforcement.
    Universal background checks.
    Restrictions on the purchase of military style weapons.

    I don’t see any rabble there.

    What I see is right-wing terrorism trying to destroy the fabric of our diverse and immigrant founding nation. I see a President who depends on the right-wing for his votes, who can’t bring himself to say anything more than “There were good people on both sides.”

    We have a President who arouses and gives comfort to the worst elements in our nation. It’s one thing to talk about what a tax rate should be on the wealthiest 1%; it’s another thing to generate the kind of hatred that stimulates one right-wing terrorist after another to go on mass shooting sprees.

  13. Erunner says:

    Duane, I would say that violent words “can” lead to violent actions. I sure hope this doesn’t turn into an anti white christian crusade.

  14. Duane Arnold says:

    Not at all…

  15. Erunner says:

    I’m curious how many mass shootings president Trump is responsible for?? These were all on his watch.

  16. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Trump is not responsible for any mass shootings – the shooters are responsible. This is silly.
    The mayor of Chicago is not responsible for the hundreds of murders in his/her city over the past couple of years either.

  17. WWG1WWA says:

    Why do you all get so tickled bashing Trump? Not everyone aggress with you and you marginalize this forum…

  18. Jerod says:

    I swear it seems like people write crap thinking their favorite politician is going to read it, phone ’em up, and ask for a booty call.

  19. Jean says:


    It’s well established that one’s environment influences behaviour.

  20. Duane Arnold says:


    Oddly enough, I spent part of last week assembling a list of mass shootings since Columbine for a lyric video for our song, “Flags”. The list ran to six pages… six pages. One could not help but notice the number that are related to extremism on the Right, or the number of anti-semitic incidents. The ideology of bullying as opposed to discussion, the vilifying of opponents, immigrants, persons of color and the promotion of half-truths and conspiracy theories presented as facts, all plays into the current atmosphere and environment.

    When I post a comment like this, I expect all the “usual” responses, but even that is part of the current environment. We’ve forgotten that words matter…

  21. Michael says:


    We allow expression of divergent views as is seen here.
    I have said repeatedly that due to the verbiage this President uses against Hispanics and Latinos that what happened in El Paso was going to happen and it will happen again.
    He didn’t pull the trigger, but he has created an environment where trigger pulling hate can flourish.
    if saying that marginalizes the site, then so be it.
    I answer to God, not you.

  22. WWG1WGA says:

    Sad… Yes you will Michael!

  23. Em says:

    I stick to my assertion, Jean. Listen to the politicians, both in and out of Washington… You say that they are for humanity and fairness… That is political manipulation. Even as they spout their slogans, they tell us we are victims, victims! Victims of the other guy’s greed. Who is this “other guy?” I think he is the puppet politician.
    Nothing new here, but the intensity of proliferation.

  24. Jerod says:

    Michael, you said, “…but he has created an environment where trigger pulling hate can flourish.”

    Created? Trump is the product of what the people of both the US and the church do. The entire Congress is full of pragmatic narcissists uttering

    Spiteful speech
    Protestations of extreme ignorance
    Arrogance in full light of the above
    Death wishing on those who disagree
    Calling for violence in the streets (such as Waters and Ocasio-Cortez).

    I’d say, in light of the above, he’s milktoast compared to the hypocrites that libel each other on a daily basis. It’s why I don’t tweet or facebook. It’s all too easy.

    There is no grace, no truth and no one holding the tension between the two to create unity. We’re becoming huddled masses again with our backs to Ellis Island.

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