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  1. Em says:

    Thanking neighbor and God
    The large metal shed is gone – walls full of wasp nests and with no door, it was a nuisance draw – somebody was out there late the other night poking around with a flashlight – could have been tracking cougar as we’ve had 3 killed stalking pets this summer….
    No hiding place out there now for wild critters and i can, with neighbor’s help, park out the four flat acres – grass and big evergreens – should look great and give ponies some running room… And mowing is definitely easier than trying to keep ceanothus and weeds in check
    Hope and pray all had something good in their day also.
    Thank You, Lord

  2. Jean says:

    I’m not getting a good response to this question in other social media venues, so if anyone here is interested in discussing theology this evening, I would welcome some views on the following question:

    I am looking for views on the following question regarding the correct translation/interpretation of Galatians 2:16:

    ESV: “yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”

    KJV: “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.”

    NET: “yet we know that no one is justified by the works of the law but by the faithfulness of Jesus Christ. And we have come to believe in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by the faithfulness of Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.”

    Do you prefer “faith in Jesus Christ” or “faith of Jesus Christ”/”faithfulness of Jesus Christ” as the best translation?

    I am leaning towards “faithfulness of Jesus Christ” because it seems to track Paul’s argument in Galatians, which bases justification before God not on human works of the law, but on Christ’s active and passive faithfulness (or obedience) to the will of God, which is reckoned to us through faith in Christ.

    However, I acknowledge that this translation issue is very much in dispute by Bible scholars.

  3. josh hamrick says:

    It is genitive case so faith OF Christ is certainly a valid translation choice.

  4. Em says:

    We all agree that Faith, as offered in Scripture, is a gift, i think
    therefore it seems to me that both in and of apply
    AND “faithfulness” is a slightly different application, is it not?
    a favorite hymn – ” Great is Thy Faithfulness…. “

  5. bob1 says:

    Jean,

    I’ve done a bit of reading on this. I think it can really go either way.

    I do prefer personally, the faith or faithfulness of Jesus Christ.

    It seems to parallel one of the three John letters where it says Christ is faithful to us even when we’re not, to Him.

  6. Jean says:

    Thank you everyone for your comments to my question.

  7. Babylon's Dread says:

    Jean,

    Kingdom Translation;

    15We are Jews by birth, not “Gentile sinners.” 16But we know that a person is not declared “righteous” by works of the Jewish law, but through the faithfulness of Jesus the Messiah. That is why we too believed in the Messiah, Jesus: so that we might be declared “righteous” on the basis of the Messiah’s faithfulness, and not on the basis of works of the Jewish law. On that basis, you see, no creature will be declared “righteous.”

    Wright, N. T.. The Kingdom New Testament: A Contemporary Translation . HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

    15We who are naturally Judaean, and not sinners coming from the gentiles, 16And who know that a human being is vindicatedc not by observances of Law but by the faithfulness of the Anointed One Jesus—even we have placed our faith in the Anointed One Jesus, so that we might be vindicated from the faithfulness of the Anointed and not from observances of Law, because no flesh at all will be vindicated from observances of Law. Law, because no flesh at all will be vindicated from observances of Law.

    David Bentley Hart. The New Testament: A Translation (pp. 371-372). Yale University Press. Kindle Edition.

    This is of big importance here and in Romans. I think it speaks of Jesus and his faithfulness.

  8. Jean says:

    Thanks BD. Those are good translations to consider beside the others.

  9. For those of you feeling that certain cities are lawless wastelands…
    There have been two more arrest in Seattle for arson. Another arrest occurred earlier this week. They are being identified through video and possibly phone data. Yes, you can get arrested in
    Seattle and face serious time in prison.

    No these are not protesters, they are just criminals and opportunist. The earlier arrest is already in jail on unrelated charges, after a Dept of Corrections checkin, due to previous history.

  10. Babylon's Dread says:

    If they had been protestors they’d either be released or Kamala would bail them out.

  11. Em says:

    A ponder…..
    The late Adrian Rogers this A.M…..
    “There is a difference between facts and TRUTH”

  12. Em. That one is a mystery to me.
    Or, at least it is without the context of the the rest of the sermon.

  13. bob1 says:

    Em,

    Like NP said, this is a mystery and, I’d add, pretty nonsensical unless it’s unpacked.

    I mean, I’m sure Rogers knew what he meant…but do we?

  14. bob1 says:

    On a different note…

    I was really saddened to hear of the passing of Thomas Howard.

    His writings had a deep impact on me, especially “Christ the Tiger” and
    “Evangelical Is Not Enough,” about his becoming Anglican. He later joined the RCC and wrote about that, too. He was Elisabeth Elliot’s younger brother and wrote through the years for CT.

    Blessed be his memory.

  15. Em says:

    Nathan and bob, i kept getting interrupted as i tried to listen…
    He was using spider and snake analogies to Satan’s methods..
    I suppose one could say that Satanic facts distort Truth?
    Leaving out critical facts?

  16. Duane Arnold says:

    bob1

    Tom Howard… a really good man and a friend to many. Requiescat in pace…

  17. bob1 says:

    Duane,

    Never met him but felt like I knew him a little, through his writings.

  18. Duane Arnold says:

    bob1

    He was all you would have thought him to be…

  19. bob1 says:

    Duane,

    I really appreciate your comment about Tom Howard.

    Very, very thankful for this.

  20. bob1 says:

    I saw this from Diane Butler Bass on Twitter…we can all step back for some needed perspective right now IMHO.

    It saddens me that we’ve come to think of our lives with the thin labels “left” and “right.”

    Life is poetry, prose, love, joy, hope, surprise, mystery, wonder, awe, beauty, challenge, suffering, question, doubt, faith, transformation, tenderness, compassion, empathy, sadness…

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