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  1. Dusty says:

    Good morning everyone hope your day is wonderful 🙂

  2. EricL says:

    Have a fantastic day, Dusty.

  3. I am going to drop this here because this is one of the more insane things of our day an time.

    An excerpt from it:

    A tragedy. A tragedy of nonsense. Horrible, abusive, pathetic, sad, bizarre, tragic nonsense.
    This child didn’t ‘choose’ her gender. She didn’t choose to cut her hair and dress like a boy. Kids that age can only wear what you put on them, sport the haircut you assign them, play with the toys you give them, and mostly believe what you tell them they should believe. Tell them there’s a magical fat man who flies down the chimney to bring them presents every Christmas, and they’ll believe it. Tell them that they get to choose their own gender like it’s an ice cream flavor at Baskin Robbins, and they’ll believe it. Their reality is whatever you construct for them.

    This is plain and simple child abuse, but yet there are people out there to blind or blinded to see it and instead they applaud it.
    These people are not worthy of having a child.

  4. And I hope everyone has a great day also!

  5. Today, it is about 90°, high humidity and thunderstorms and tornado warnings for the viewing area now. More stuff heading in from Arkansas all night.
    It has been raining some every day for about two weeks.
    Yesterday, we got about two inches in a few hours.

  6. They suspended play at the FedEx St.Jude Classic Golf tournament.
    All the local channels are making like the weather channel and giving a play by play and watching all the “hooks” in the storms for tornadic activity.
    Oh, the joys of living in the Mid-South.
    I hope the tornadoes or winds cause minimal damage and no loss of life.

  7. EricL says:

    Derek, I agree with you @3. It is sad when adults mess up their kids so badly.

    As for the weather, here in SoCal, we haven’t seen any appreciable amount of rain in months and probably won’t until November unless we get the overflow of Arizona’s July monsoons.

  8. Forget signing up for gender reassignment for that poor kid.
    Parent reassignment would be better.

  9. EricL = where are you in SoCal – I’m in Mission Viejo

  10. EricL says:

    MLD, I’m in Yucaipa, a good 60+ miles east and another 2,500 ft higher up in elevation. We lose the summertime ocean breezes of the OC, but we do get a nice, crisp fall and a bit of snow most winters- just enough to turn the lawn white.

  11. I know Yucaipa – we lived in Riverside for 20 yrs and my mother in law lives in Banning.

  12. covered says:

    Cherry picking in Banning was a blast!

  13. EricL says:

    MLD and Covered, y’all do know the area. Not much in the way of cherries this year, though. Winter was too warm and dry. Guess we will have to wait for the apple season up in Oak Glen, which is also just minutes away from here. For a city of 50,000 we sure do have a lot of country around here, from orchards to national forest to hiking trails. Oh yeah, and we have these hot summers too, at least compared to the coastal elite 🙂

  14. Happy Pentecost day- I hope you all heard a good Pentecost message today.

    In the Lutheran Church Pentecost is also 1st communion. We had 18 Today

  15. EricL says:

    MLD, you had 18 communions today? I know the little cups are small, but I don’t think you are supposed to go back for another round, let alone 18x. Also, since you use real wine, I hope you didn’t drive home. 🙂

    We had a decent crowd today, in spite of there being a soccer tournament at the school the church rents. It just meant a little more crowding for parking. And no, we didn’t have a Pentecost message, since we aren’t a liturgical congregation.

  16. Xenia says:

    Happy Pentecost to everybody!

  17. EricL,
    It’s still Pentecost Sunday whether you are Liturgical or not. 😉

  18. Nonnie says:

    Ok friends, tell me what you think . I have a friend who has been married over 30 years. I’ve known her for over 25 years. Her “Christian” husband says things like. ” you need to be submissive , I’m the head of this family, you are so obese you can’t inherit the kingdom of God.” She goes to her CC pastor, asking for he advice and he says “to get in the word more with a sister in Christ. He said it’s just words and to ignore Her husband and pray for him. ”
    I’m furious ! I told her that this is abusive and no woman should have to endure this .

  19. Michael says:


    It’s abusive and ungodly and if it’s a habit it’s a breach of covenant.

  20. randallslack says:

    Nonnie, you are right. Her husband should be called on the carpet by his pastor. Unexcusable!

  21. It could be abuse, but I would want to hear his side of the story. I have heard many a spouse (husband or wife) hear things through their own prism and internalize the misrepresentation … especially if they are willing to run around telling others outside of the family.

    I would also want to know what their conversations are like when she brings this up to him.

  22. sisterchristian says:


    I wish I had the words and scriptures at the moment to support how this husband is being abusive and what one should do to correct or speak up about it …

    From personal experience along side sound professional advice, the “be silent, read your bible and pray more” is inadequate advice

    I don’t blame you for being furious

    Men are supposed to deal with their wives with understanding
    To love them as their very own body
    They are to care for them as a tender/ fragile vessel…

    And it’s deplorable that a pastor does not reprove such actions

  23. Never decide a matter before you hear it. Likely he is a dolt. But perhaps she is a fabricator

  24. Nonnie says:

    I have heard these stories for years and have always told her she should not allow herself to be treated like this. Yet she continues. What I am furious about us how a pastor would just sluff off a woman who is in pain

  25. covered says:

    Nonnie, abuse of that nature causes irreparable damage. Both the husband and the pastor are idiots! The response by the pastor is pretty common within CC and it’s disturbing. I would suggest you find a qualified counselor or non CC pastor who will listen to your friend and convince her that she doesn’t have to put up with her husband’s nonsense. Emotional abuse is still abuse. A husband who has to tell his wife to submit isn’t capable of showing her the kind of love that Christ commands from him. Just my .02

  26. Nonnie says:

    Thank you ALL for your comments.

  27. Steve Wright says:

    Nonnie, May I ask if the report of the pastor’s counsel is coming solely from your friend?

    May I suggest, if so, that you contact the pastor yourself before jumping on the bandwagon of indictment as some have here.

    I can’t give specifics, as I don’t know who all reads here but in general terms I have:

    1) Been lied about meeting with someone when the meeting never even took place.
    2) When I’ve had the meeting one party lied about what I said
    3) I’ve had the meeting where one party only shared part of what was discussed to others, to frame things in the worst possible light – (which I think is still lying).
    4) And sometimes, innocently, people do not accurately report what was said – especially in an emotional meeting, they mishear something, or only hear what they want/think to hear and miss a bunch of other stuff etc.

    And of course, you may have the full picture, that the pastor is being dismissive of a serious sin and should be confronted on that.

    Having said that, keep in mind as the outside 3rd party the pastor may know a whole lot more about this couple than you do – on both sides – and yet will not (or certainly should not) share that with you. That too happens a lot and is a hard thing to do, when I have a 3rd party tell me all the bad things about spouse A’s treatment of spouse B (their friend) when I know what spouse B has been doing and saying that would reverse the whole picture. But there is supposed to be confidentialtiy when someone talks to the pastor and so he can’t share details with you

    But you could relate what your friend told you about her husband’s actions and the pastor’s limited counsel and ask if this was the advice, in full, the only advice he gave her and if there was more to the story that maybe you don’t know. I know I always appreciate that more than I do someone contacting me with wild indictments when they don’t even know half the story.

    You can contact me privately if you wish to discuss further. Certainly no man, especially a Christian, should talk to his wife that way, and if that man is active in the local church, no pastor should ignore such behavior when it is brought to his attention.

  28. sisterchristian says:

    Steve Wright,

    You have made some good points

    Mainly that;
    ” no man; especially a Christian should speak to his wife that way
    And that no pastor should ignore such behavior when it has been brought to his attention… ”
    Fully Agreed

    I take exception to your comment of ” jumping on the bandwagon of indictment as some have here”
    Nice dig… That was unnecessary.

    One element of knowing people
    Of having met them in person and knowing a bit of their background helps in responding to their questions

    Nonnie has known this person couple for a quarter of a century
    She has been in ministry and leadership for years
    From what I know of her she would not introduce this on speculation or without having solid substance to bring forth her concern

    As far as speaking to the pastor about it
    The pastor ; as I have witnessed firsthand in the past- could just as easily deny his dismissiveness.

    Unfortunately it seems in many abuse cases… (not speaking in regards to physical abuse as per this conversation… but moreso emotional, spiritual and verbal abuse.).. Leadership in the church is either unwilling to deal with it., ill equipped to deal with it or perhaps moreso unable to recognize the depths and level of destruction emotional, spiritual and verbal abuse inflicts upon the life and spirit of an individual

  29. Nonnie says:

    Thank you Steve. I’ve encouraged her to go to HIS pastor rather than her pastor . I will tell her of your post and encourage her to contact you, as she is not far from you.

  30. covered says:

    As far as being part of the “band wagon” in indicting another pastor, all I know about this situation is what was shared by Nonnie and what Nonnie believes to be the truth.

  31. Nonnie,
    ” I’ve encouraged her to go to HIS pastor rather than her pastor ”

    They have separate pastors? That could be an issue.

  32. Steve Wright says:

    I did not intend it as a dig. I have been on the receiving end of false indictments and it is not pleasant, MANY times, especially when making the decision to keep confidentiality about another rather than clear one own’s name.

    It simply is the Biblical teaching – as Babylon’s Dread pointed out above. We are commanded to hear all sides before making a judgment – maybe it is easier to ignore that command when the indictment is against an anonymous pastor as in this story, but as we saw, it did not take long to then broaden the criticism to CC pastors in general.

    (Nonnie, they go to different churches?)

  33. sisterchristian says:


    In agreement with you that before passing judgement one should hear both sides…

    Perhaps I should have pre- empted my post with this
    IF indeed the husband says
    And IF indeed the pastor said….

    However as to your indictment that it didn’t take long to broaden the criticism to CC pastors in general-
    It was originally brought up that the lady went to a CC pastor….

    Even tho I didn’t go there., but was tempted to;
    As for the CC pastors I have known and heard counsel on the matter that was the general response:
    Keep a meek and quiet spirit, ignore what he says and does,… Read your bible more, pray more… God will sort him out.
    Unfortunately- of those I personally know who were married to CC men ( in leadership) who were spiritual, emotional and verbal bullies, this advice simply does not resolve the situation.

  34. Nonnie says:

    I’ve encouraged my friend to message you Steve. Again, many thanks to each one of you who commented. I respect each of you and appreciated your opinions and have copied them to my friend, encouraging her to seek help.
    Steve , he goes to 4 different churches.

  35. sisterchristian says:


    Blessings to you for your care and concern for your friend …

    I pray that as she seeks out a way to find resolution to her situation that God would truly bless her, her husband and marriage…

    Here is a book that may be helpful;

    The emotionally destructive marriage
    By Leslie Vernick
    It defines what is an emotionally destructive marriage
    What is and is not emotional abuse
    Ways to find healing and resolution
    In a Christ honoring way
    From a licensed clinical social worker and relationship coach
    With prayers and scripture

    Another one which might be insightful:
    How to act right when your spouse acts wrong ,. By the same author

  36. Jean says:

    One day we’ll have to take up this issue for conversation. This is one of the “distinctives” of many strains of American evangelicalism”

    “In a world of violence, the death penalty is understood as a necessary firewall against the spread of further deadly violence.” Al Mohler.

    So much for pro life.

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