The Confession of Christ: Duane W.H. Arnold, PhD

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32 Responses

  1. Michael says:

    This is gold…we’re going to keep this series in a Pages collection so it can be easily accessed…

  2. Duane Arnold says:

    Michael,

    Many thanks…

  3. Very good. Thanks for writing.

  4. Duane Arnold says:

    #3 Josh

    I take it you’ll be saying The Apostles’Creed this Sunday? ? Just joking… many thanks.

  5. We could.

    Not likely, but we could 🙂

  6. Duane Arnold says:

    Josh

    On a serious note… Do you ever use the SBC’s Basic Beliefs in teaching in a congregational or adult education setting? Just wondering…

  7. Michael says:

    I say it every day in the Daily Office…and it is helpful to be reminded and remind myself …

  8. Duane, yes. I have taken several groups through that, 1 point per week.

    Michael, agreed.

  9. Duane Arnold says:

    Josh

    Reading through it, I note several specific references to some more current issues. Does the convention place in the updates?

  10. Josh The Baptist says:

    Yes, it is ammendable. If I am thinking correctly, it is an abbreviated version of the Baptist Faith and Message. If so, it takes a big move on the part of the convention to update it. The last time was in 2000.

  11. Duane Arnold says:

    #10 Josh

    Thanks! That’s helpful…

  12. Rick says:

    Duane, this is wonderful! I appreciate the creeds so much because they broaden the boundaries of shared fellowship. The boundary guards us from heresy yet allows those who will, whether Calvinist or not, dispensationalist, or not, pre-millenialist, or not, pre-tribulationist, or not, and a host of other things that divide us, sadly. I can embrace the creeds without the need to sign 20+ point doctrinal statements to prove my orthodoxy.

    I have been rejected from church membership since I stopped being a free-will, pre-tribulation rapturist, dispensationalist, futurist. I do not share with anyone what I believe in those areas unless they ask, and I give them a disclaimer. In addition to the boundaries set by the creeds, I accept love as the evidence of Christ in someone’s life.

    This was refreshing beyond words on a dry day. Thank you!

  13. Duane Arnold says:

    #12 Rick

    Many thanks for the kind words. Yes, to be a creedal Christian is liberating… not confining!

  14. Phillips Schaff – I like his writing. Why is he not read in seminaries? (maybe he is, and I don’t know)

    Did he get some things wrong?

  15. bob1 says:

    I’m under the impression that the 2-part work by Justo Gonzalez is the most commonly
    read church history texts in seminary. They’re more recent that Schaaf, maybe that’s
    the reason?

  16. Michael says:

    His stuff is very dated…remarkable for his time, however.

  17. Michael says:

    Yes, Gonzalez is the standard for now…although it could use an update as well soon.

  18. Yeah, I have Gonzales too. Very good. It is probably the one I see being used in most seminaries.

  19. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I think Schaff’s 3 volume work on The Creeds of Christendom is still standard.

  20. My thought is, if its good work, keep it alive. If things need to be updated, do it.

    That’s what happened eith the Williston Walker book I used in one of my history classes. Walker published his texct in 1918, but the edition we used was updated in 1985. That way, we don’t lose the work of these great, old scholars.

    Off subject, I know. Just saw Schaff and got me thinking.

  21. MLD – I think I have that, but haven’t read it.

  22. Duane Arnold says:

    Yes, Creeds of Christendom is still standard… have it right in front of me!

    Although I like (and recommend) Gonzalez, some of the older church histories by people like Henry Chadwick are, in my opinion, superior…

  23. Duane Arnold says:

    For a one volume treatment of the subject, I’d suggest ‘Early Christian Creeds’ by J.N.D. Kelly. It is readable, concise and dependable. Also, Kelly was a very nice man!

  24. CM says:

    Just a thought here.

    I wonder why the Chalcedonian Creed does not get as much use as the three previous creeds.

    I understand it dealt with more fully defining the dual nature of Christ. Did it not have the side-effect of dealing another blow to Arianism (the Nicene Creed was the first blow)?.

    Granted Arianists (or Arians?) are still around. They are just called Jehovah’s Witnesses.

  25. Duane Arnold says:

    CM

    We’ll touch on that in part three of the series. Ephesus and Chalcedon together were instrumental in the process, but their statements tended to be “definitions” rather than creeds. Yes, Arians are still amongst us… JWs and others…

  26. CM says:

    Speaking of JW’s…

    Is one reason they are not a fan of the Christmas Mall Santas is because the original Saint Nick landed a left cross (or was it an uppercut) to their patron Arias?

  27. Duane Arnold says:

    CM

    Old legend, but it didn’t actually happen!

  28. CM says:

    Duane,

    I know it is an old legend and that did not actually happen.

    But does make for a interesting Santa Claus story.

    Jolly Old Saint Nick the pugilist….

  29. Duane Arnold says:

    #28 CM

    Indeed… but, as an interesting side note, there are apparently icons which depict Saint Nicholas doing this very thing…

  30. CM says:

    Duane,

    Very true. For some interesting meme images, Google “Santa Claus punch Arias memes” or something very similar and search images.

  31. victorious says:

    Thanks, Duane-
    I clipped the 3 part series to Evernote for future study and reflection.

  32. Duane Arnold says:

    Wonderful… I hope that they are helpful.

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