The Wall

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16 Responses

  1. John 20:29 says:

    2 positives…
    Robert Frost said, “good fences make good neighbors” and it will provide some jobs/paychecks… unless, we hire those Mex. illegals to do the work (that is a funny thing to think on this snowy – bad word, “snow” afternoon) 🙂

  2. Jean says:

    Thanks for shedding light on the issue.

  3. Rob says:

    Anything can be justified if it creates “jobs”. It’s the magic word.

  4. prodinov says:

    A small 1 minute thought…in 2016 60,000 unaccompanied children seeking refuge from the dangers south of the border due to America’s appetite for drugs. You can get the facts here: .

  5. Richard says:

    Some of the things you wrote I don’t understand.
    1. I did notice you refrained from using the word “illegal” immigration, choosing to make it appear that legal and illegal immigration are one and same. Why ?
    2. When employed in an industry that had it’s share of thievery, we had a saying; “we’re not going to stop them, only slow them down” by putting chains and locks and walls on our property. So why not build a wall ? And try to at least slow the flow ?
    3. How do we, as a nation, improve the economy of our neighbors so that they are happy or content in their own country ? Should that be the goal ?
    4. Currently somewhere between 3 – 4 percent of our population is considered “illegal”. What should we, as a nation, do about these ?
    5. I don’t feel they we are saying we are a “closed” country. I feel we are saying come here legally – the statue in New York harbor is for all.

    I am trying to understand who’s on first ?

  6. Michael says:


    I appreciate your questions, but I’m not at home to answer.
    I will be in an hour or so and will address them.

  7. Michael says:


    Thanks again for the question, here’s a brief response.

    1.The term I used was “migration” because that’s what I’m used to as that’s what people who study this call it.

    2. I fully expect we will build a wall and it will accomplish very little for the reasons I gave and others I did not give for the sake of brevity. What it will accomplish will in no way pay for either it’s construction or the maintenance of the wall and all the assorted costs with it. This is probably a half billion dollar a year project when all is said and done. I also noted that the migration is now in reverse…

    3. Improving Mexico’s economy and living standards are only a goal if you want to have a stable continent. If you would like having an unstable neighbor with Chinese weapons on the other side of the wall, it’s not. That’s a realistic expectation to have within a few years if all of the President’s policies are enacted.

    4. Felons and gang members get deported…or put on a raft and sunk outside Baja. The rest who are making contributions to this country I unapologetically believe should have a path to permanent residency or citizenship.

    5. Doing it right takes 8-20 years from Mexico…and the “rule of law” has been a wax nose that we have twisted to suit us as we needed. That’s a little too long when you live in a war zone…

  8. Richard says:

    Thanks for your responses.
    And for what it’s worth, my wife legally immigrated here from El Salvador in the mid-70s. And I have a son-in-law who is here illegally and DACA eligible but can’t find the time to get a GED or high school diploma. So no papers, but there are multiple jobs out there for minimum wage.
    No easy answers to this

  9. John 20:29 says:

    “no easy answers” – ahh that’s the key – a fact we must not forget and it is a migration – a very curious and seemingly almost world-wide phenomena is in progress and these hordes will inevitably bring with them some of what they are trying to escape – kind of like the Old World diseases that came with the Pilgrims and infected the First Nations … the 21st century is not the 20th and the challenges will be different too, i think…

    obviously, stopping drugs will not be a part of that solution; it should be, but … that phenomena is now spread far beyond what a wall a mile high and a mile deep running from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean could stop – IMNSHO

    but i’m not so sure but what Trump’s seemingly simplistic and head on approach might be just what is needed to get everyone to rally to a solution…

    hopeful for a good, informative and maybe prayerful discussion here because as Richard noted above there are not any easy answers

    just sayin

  10. Jean says:

    “obviously, stopping drugs will not be a part of that solution; it should be, but … that phenomena is now spread far beyond what a wall a mile high and a mile deep running from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean could stop – IMNSHO”

    I personally worry a lot about drug abuse and addiction in our country. It erodes the institution of the family, which is under attack at so many levels.

    But, it seems like our country is moving in the opposite (and wrong) direction by legalizing previously illegal drugs.

    It seems like if the country wants to work on the supply side of the equation, it must also work on the demand side of the equation. Because demand will drive supply to a certain extent, no?

  11. Siegfried says:

    My neighbors up and down my street now feel free to sit in their garages and smoke up in front of my three children. Neither repented they of their sorceries… The legalization of weed is one more excuse for debased behaviour our states did not need. I think from scripture we might conclude it is a driver of the delusion of mankind.

  12. Michael says:


    Neither country wants to work on the supply side of that equation.
    Take 50 billion in cash out of the Mexican economy and the country collapses.
    Every major elected official in the Mexico all the way up to the President fills their pockets with cash every month from the cartel of choice.
    American banks make huge money laundering drug cash.
    The private prison industry, the prison guard union, and the counseling industry, as well as all the government agencies that are part of the “war on drugs” need drugs and people being incarcerated for them to exist.

    Legalization takes the criminal element out by taking out the profit for them.
    Make drugs a public health issue instead of a criminal one and then we may make some head way.

    It’s all a big lie…the wall is not for stopping bad guys it’s for defense contractors to line their pockets.

    For fifty years we’ve fought the war on drugs…and as a result drugs are more plentiful, of better quality, and cheaper than they were in the seventies.

    As my mentor used to say, it’s a war for drugs, not a war on drugs.

  13. Siegfried says:

    Michael so you think the Fed will ever levy huge taxes on recreational drug use like it did on tobacco?

  14. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Siegfried said in a response / agreement with Jean’s comment @10;
    “The legalization of weed is one more excuse for debased behaviour our states did not need.”

    Switch from drugs to alcohol – why no call to ban alcohol again? Alcohol does more damage to society than drugs.

    I think that the concern by the common man about drugs is to shift focus away from the problem of alcohol.

  15. Siegfried says:

    MLD – noted 🙂

  16. Michael says:


    The Fed has not decriminalized pot.

    Here in Oregon every government entity is fighting to tax pot retailers and growers.

    They will tax them out of business and the whole mess will go underground again.

    There’s a pot store every few blocks here…

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