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  1. Believe says:


    ….and I’m playing hooky. Going to spend the day shooting with a Navy Seal and a bunch of cops.

    Will watch several sermons online…and read the catechism.

  2. Another Voice says:

    This teaching about the perseverance of true believers and something which the flesh does not understand, Satan hates, the world ridicules, the ignorant and the hypocrites abuse, and the spirits of error attack. The bride of Christ, on the other hand, has always loved this teaching very tenderly and defended it steadfastly as a priceless treasure;
    Not very irenic, is it?

  3. Michael says:


    I didn’t catch that…it’s how the historical document was composed.

    It’s not very irenic and I apologize in advance for any offense.

    Good stuff to dialog over…irenically, of course. 🙂

  4. Another Voice says:

    Michael…no apology needed! Your pasting a document, as you state.

    I hold to the view by the way….though I would take issue with some of the supporting language in the document.

    I think the key to this discussion on eternal securty is the baptism of the Holy Spirit (the dispensational view, not the pentecostal view).

    I was going to ask in the lower thread for SFW to define this doctrine as he/she understands it. I decided not to bother.

    Good night.

  5. Tim says:

    We’re continuing in 1 John, covering 4:7-11…the importance/primacy of love. Love is not optional for the Christian. We have been loved – we have seen love – the God we serve is love…the only reasonable response we have is to love one another.

    Notes are here for anyone interested.

  6. Captain Kevin says:

    I prefer the term preservation of the saints.

    Today, will be attending CC of the White Mountains. Will be listening for the Gospel as well as fidelity to the text.

  7. Lutheran says:

    Catechisms by their nature aren’t really meant to be irenic, AV.

    They spell out, scriptually and in detail, what that particular church teaches and confesses, whether it’s the Canons of Dordt, Luther’s Small Catechism, or the Westminster Confession of Faith. Even the Baptists have catechisms that spell out their distinctives.

    I do agree with Michael that it’s good to discuss in an irenic manner.

  8. Lutheran says:

    Today was a special day at our church. I regret that my family wasn’t able to attend due to chronic illness.

    A young man from our congregation was installed today at our morning service, which is his home church and where he was baptlized and confirmed. Instead of our usual 2 morning services, we had one joint service. His parents are quite active at our church.

    He recently graduated from one of the LCMS seminaries and received a call to pastor a church in Iowa. But he graciously chose to be installed at his home church. He is a wonderful young man, married with two small children. It’s a huge blessing to our whole church, and I would guess especially to those who knew him growing up, and those who taught him in Sunday School and youth group.

  9. BrianD says:

    Listened to Brian Howard preach on Ephesians 2:1-10.

    Sermon points:
    1. Outside Christianity all who live are in reality completely dead. Ephesians 2:1-3
    2. every spiritually dead person is headed toward God’s wrath Ephesians 2:3
    3. because of His great love for us God has brought the gift of rescue Ephesians 2:4-7
    4. God rescues us not cause we’re inherently good; rather, it’s an incredible, unearned gift Ephesians 2:8-9

  10. Linnea says:

    Luke 10:25-37

    Love your neighbor as yourself means readjustment of expectations, sacrifice and a willingness to step out of one’s comfort zone. We can listen to the Holy Spirit when we allow the lens of pre-conceived notions to be removed.

  11. ryan couch says:

    Continuing in 2 Peter, 1:5-15 – since we have everything we need for a life of godliness (vs. 3) we must make every effort to grow in our faith so that we might be reminded of our need for the gospel and have assurance of our salvation.

    Showed a Napoleon Dynamite clip…the Rex Kwan Do scene.

  12. ryan couch says:

    Oh and we had a fundamentalist Baptist couple (with suit and dress) attend this morning and they loved it, not sure if that’s a good thing or not? 🙂

  13. eric says:

    Finished Illustrator CS5 Essential training, onto FlashCS5 ET then Photoshop

  14. pineapple head says:

    I love that Rex Kwan Do scene.

    Taught about marks of NT worship, the “new and living way” described by the author of Hebrews. The 8 marks of sacrificial offerings we can give to God included

    Obedience (Jn. 14:21)
    Verbal Praise (Heb. 13:15)
    Generosity (Heb. 13:16)
    Humility (all from Micah 6:8)
    Work (Colossians 2;23)
    Witness (Romans 15:16)

    Tough morning, I’d been under the weather Saturday and didn’t have nearly the energy I usually do. Took a lot to get through!

  15. 10 days after major surgery I went to my church today. Worship never sounded sweeter…nothing changed in the 10 days I was gone…except me! It’s one thing to look mat the Valley of the Shadow of Death and another to go thru it! I hope I never have to have that drastic of an experience to crack this hard heart again

  16. paigemom says:

    Ryan, everyone except us at our church dresses up in suits and dresses! Yes, it is a Baptist church. After 35 years of Bermuda shorts and Hawaiian shirts, it’s a transition. We don’t even OWN nice clothes like that. Jeans,nice tops and nice shoes. That’s as good as we get.
    Pastor Martin continued his series on Marriage, Singleness and Family. It was awesome and HEAVY. 1 Corinthians 7 in great detail. He’s so logical…’if you do this, you get that”
    We should be striving to please God since He owns us 1 Cor 6:19, holy in body and soul.
    He finished the service with the comfort that ‘nothing can separate you from the Love of God. He loves you. If you’ve sinned, there is forgiveness in Jesus Christ”. I truly wish the services were immediately archived on the internet. I can’t tell you how many questions I’ve had answered at Mount Olivet, week after week. Praise God.

  17. paigemom says:

    Brother Steve, amen, amen. God is faithful.

  18. Linnea says:

    Steve…it’s amazing how the view changes when we change, and far less dramatic when someone else changes. I’m so glad it was so sweet for you today 🙂

  19. You know there have been many times I have prayed “Lord take me now”. But having faced the real possibility of death I had to honestly admit…I wanted to live. I know that eternity is in my future and one day I will be there. But there will be boot heel marks in the sand where my feet are dragging! I have a wife and two kids and a church family and good friends I am not ready to leave yet…hope that doesn’t sound too unspiritual!

  20. ryan couch says:


    That doesn’t sound unspiritual to me at all, we’re made for earth and family and all that God has created…our longing for heaven is a longing for those things in their redeemed state. Unfortunately much of Christianity has bought into this lie that our purpose is to die and go to heaven and escape this world…that is simply Gnosticism repackaged a neo-platonism (a dichotomy between material and spiritual) that has created this escapism mentality in the Church.

    Anyway you know this I’m just using your comment as an opportunity to rant a bit…I will call you this week, we need to catch up for sure. Jenna is really liking Missio Dei and is connecting well with the people here.

  21. Ryan
    I am looking forward to talking to you

  22. Another Voice says:

    Catechisms by their nature aren’t really meant to be irenic, AV. They spell out, scriptually and in detail, what that particular church teaches and confesses
    I hear you Lutheran…I think it could have been done without basically pronouncing an anathema on those who think differently though. If we read that thing closely, it basically says all saved think this way, and all who don’t think this way are unsaved.

  23. London says:

    wow Tater used some big old words in that post. I need a dictionary now 😯

  24. Lutheran says:


    I don’t see anything in the Canons that Michael posted that proscribes anathema on anyone. I think that’s unnecessary, too. Though we should remember that sometimes in some of these settings, the authors of these confessions were facing out-and-out heresy and they did come on strong.

    Another observation: how often do we hear the term “crossbearing” (actually, “steadfastness in crossbearing,” Article 12) these days? I believe it’s a part of every Christian’s life here on earth. I do hear it in some of the Lutheran hymns we sing at our church. I believe God is honored when we carry such burdens over time, with grace.

  25. London says:

    I went to a service Friday night and listened to some really sweet music that kinda took me away in my brain somewhere. It was very cool…
    Then hung out with a bunch of fun people….
    Saturday went to a beautiful celebration of a new marriage and child with some people who have made up the core of who I am as a person. It was a sweet, beautiful time as some 20 year old emotional wounds were healed up and relationships patched up enough to make things feel more “right” some how.
    Formed some new friendships and rekindled some old ones…Learned of the sudden, unexpected death of someone we all once held dear

    Today had a lie in (slept late)…got up and watched football match with most of the rest of the world. Then went out and stocked up on school supplies for our upcoming distribution project.

  26. Captain Kevin says:

    Apostle Paul wrestled with staying or going, so I’d say you’re in good company. Dig those heels in deep brother!

  27. Another Voice says:

    The bride of Christ, on the other hand, has always loved this teaching very tenderly and defended it steadfastly as a priceless treasure;
    The anathema comment was tongue in cheek – here is a portion of the clip again…

    I used to not believe in the perseverance of the saints. Over the years I modified my view. Apparently, according to Dordt, I didn’t become a Christian (i.e. His bride) until I modified my view – thus my salvation is not based on the gospel, which I had believed for years, but on the proper view of the perseverance of the saints.

    Note – I don’t think anyone at Dordt would say that most likely – but it is a logical conclusion to draw when one writes that all true believers hold to a certain doctrine that finds room for disagreement within the Body.

  28. Captain Kevin says:

    Went to Calvary White Mtns today. A sermon (not a verse by verse) on Hebrews 2 re: not drifting away from the Lord. Trusting Jesus to be born again was clearly presented.

    Typical old-school CC: Dove proudly flying behind the pulpit, synthetic trees with white twinkle lights, chairs in rows, bulletin claiming that we are not a denomination, 5 songs, too many announcements, meet and greet, sermon, closing song, bye-bye!

  29. brian says:

    What I struggle with, from the cheap seats, there are no “regenerate” we are always someone else’s heretic or apostate. I understand this we need to defend our turf at all cost, even the cost of a soul, which is cheap, very very cheap. Basically useless, on a good day. You know after 30 years in the evangelical church the only soul I should care about are the two soles on the bottom of my feet. I dont get it, I really never have. I always thought people were worth more, and I cant seem to repent of that. I dont get it.

  30. ryan couch says:



  31. Captain Kevin says:

    London, sounds like God is really doing some great things in your life!

  32. Captain Kevin says:

    BTW, my #28 was not a slam against that church or others that choose that format. Just an observation.

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