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  1. Michael says:

    Nobody repents in the book…those Jewish evangelists are doing a poor job…?

  2. Em says:

    perhaps, now the time of evangelizing is past? chapter nine’s woe’s seem to indicate so – dunno
    i know one can draw an O.T. comparison as ch 10 unfolds, but it records an angel declaring that “there should be time no longer.” vs 6
    as i can see a sequencing of the events in this book, it seems from here on out all communication with men comes from angels or perhaps they are declarations not communications, but they preach the everlasting gospel, announce the fate of Babylon is sealed and warn men that worship of the beast and you will drink the cup of God’s wrath

    oh, and i’m sure MLD noticed in his search for a fire breathing horse that there are also no horses with lion heads… hmmm might be symbolism again 🙂

    so glad we all agree that Jesus is coming again in the Father’s good time even if the events in this book are interpreted more than one way by Believers

    think i’m logged in here… i’ll know in a minute

  3. Em says:

    for the record and btw…
    i am not convinced that the mention of angels in this book always refers to the churches, which if i’m not mistaken has been asserted here

  4. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Em,
    I don’t think I made the assertion that the angels are the church let alone that they are always so.
    Symbolism in Revelation is not mysterious to the original readers – it may be to us as we are 2,000 years removed – but… all symbolism in Revelation has been used previously in Old Testament and other Jewish apocalyptic writings. We must go to those writings if we are confused what John is trying to express.

    I will restate my position that after Rev 1:10 everything we read is symbolic, allegorical and storytelling – all which come out of the vision John was given.

  5. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    For our younger crowd the 4 horses identified in v.17-18
    Silver = The Lone Ranger
    Scout = Tonto
    Trigger = Roy Rogers
    Buttercup = Dale Evans 🙂

  6. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I had been out of town for 5 days over the holiday and then locked out of the blog so I am still catching up.

    To Michael @2 – and I do see you have a smiley face – if you get caught up in the craziness of rapture theology, with the 2 church scheme (the 1st church that gets raptured when Jesus ‘almost’ returns, and the new church that forms on earth during the tribulation to be martyred) AND Israel (because Israel must mean Israel the nation)

    So if one were to believe that the new church forms, it must be attributed to the effective preaching of those 144K virgin Jewish preachers. 🙂

  7. Maybe God should have left out all these details?

  8. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Josh, and here I thought I was backing your position that the 144K virgin Jews evangelize the world.

    Oh, and God did leave out those details – in fact he left out the entire rapture event and all that goes with it 🙂

  9. Well, according to your view, the 144,000 isn’t a real number anyway…just useless information.

  10. You literally said that 144,000 meant “number that can’t be counted”.

    Would have been way eaiser if that detail was just left out. Same for every other detail between chapter 4 and 19…if amil is correct.

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Josh, I never said the 144K was a number that cannot be counted. I said that John used both descriptions to describe the same group of people. To emphasize my point of “what was heard” and “what was seen” I used the other passage using the same method where John was ‘Rolf’s one thing – the lion of the tribe of Judah – but when he turned to look (the same scenario with the 144K) he saw something different – the lamb who had been slain. John in both cases used different descriptions to identify the same thing.

    You keep trying to read Revelation like you read 1 Kings – you can’t do that.

  12. I don’t read at all like 1 Kings, but I read it like something that has words that I have seen before.

  13. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Well we have been down this road before but then you must claim that John was speaking of 2 different Messiah’s earlier or he could not tell the difference between a lion and a butchered lamb.

    One other thing, I think the 144K in chapter 14 is different than the 144K earlier. That should turn your world upside down 🙂

  14. ” lion and a butchered lamb”

    Category error on your part. Both are symbols for Jesus explained elsewhere.

    Where is the number 144,000 explained?

  15. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    If you are looking for numbers to be actual numbers you do read Revelation Just like Kings. You see no difference the numbers of Revelation and those of David counting his army troops or any other OT census taking.

    But then again that is the dispensational distinctive – everything has a literal meaning.

  16. So you are saying that sense Revelation and Kings are two different genres, that 144,000 means “multitude that can’t be counted”.

    Where is the 144,000 explained? In the same passage that introduces the number.

    Everything has a literal meaning? How about just everything has A meaning. With your view, there is absolutely no reason to lay out the detail of the 144,000, it’s just gonna be wiped away a couple of chapters later. Same with all the other details. There is no reason for them in your view. Just chapters to dismiss with a twist of the amil hand.

  17. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    So in Rev 3 when it says “Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation.” – you see that time of tribulation being a literal 10 days? Anyone can do 10 days in jail – that does not sound like much. Where is the number 10 explained?

    You flat earthers still believe their are 4 corners of the earth – where is the 4 explained?

    I am looking through my 1988 Score baseball cards. I just ran across a Jamie Moyer when he was in the 3rd yrs of his 25 yr career. Now those are numbers you can hang onto. 🙂

  18. “Anyone can do 10 days in jail”

    I’d rather not.

  19. 88 Score have the Yellow border? That was right around my time. Oddly, my favorite was 87 Topps with the woodgrain border. They printed so many, they were basically worthless, but I just thought they looked the coolest.

  20. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    Josh, this is why the card market went in the crapper too many cards. My collection of late 50s through the early 80s was Topps only as they were the only producer.
    Then came along Fleer, Score, Donruss, Upper Deck and even Bowman came back after a 30 year absence. I think I was out after ’89.

    I did keep up for another 20 years with my baseball magazine collection.

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