The Weekend Word

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  1. Jean says:

    MLD,

    This is a lot of rich teaching to explore. Thank you for putting this together.

    I want to respond to this: “The Jews did not think that they needed to be baptized because they had Abraham – this definitely was not going to be an easy sell.”

    I want to emphasize that while these Pharisees and Sadducees were not of the faith, it’s not as though the Gospel was not proclaimed in the OT. I was reading Psalm 40 this afternoon, for example, where it is written:

    “In sacrifice and offering you have not delighted,
    but you have given me an open ear.
    Burnt offering and sin offering
    you have not required.
    Then I said, “Behold, I have come;
    in the scroll of the book it is written of me:
    I delight to do your will, O my God;
    your law is within my heart.”

    There was always a remnant by whom the Gospel promise was carried forth from the ears of Adam and Eve all the way to the Advent of Jesus.

  2. Jean says:

    What I’m getting at in my #1 is that God is not capricious. It’s not as though God changed the rules or pulled the rug out from under the Jewish religious leaders.

    God was bringing to fulfillment what was prophesied in the OT. The fact that the religious leaders didn’t get it, were hard hearted and stiff necked was on them, not on God.

    Jesus himself said:

    “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!”

    I don’t think MLD and I are in disagreement, but I just wanted to add a thought to the discussion.

  3. Jean, you are correct – the gospel is throughout the OT – many make the error to say the OT is the law and the NT is the gospel. You can find the whole gospel throughout the NT.

    As to your statement – “There was always a remnant by whom the Gospel promise was carried forth from the ears of Adam and Eve all the way to the Advent of Jesus.” Again you are correct – the gospel was just as effective on believers in the OT as it is today.

    But still, the proud had Abraham as their father and they were not going to bend the knee – much like the first reaction of Naaman in 2nd Kings.

  4. People are saved the same in both testaments — saved by the gospel – the perfect life lived, the death and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
    This is one reason I object (and I know that I am in the minority and will probably even be in opposition to what is said at my church tomorrow) but I don’t think that Pentecost is the birth of the Church (if we consider the Church to be God’s people) but the pouring out of the Spirit onto God’s people to now do their work in a newly manifested way.

    But God’s people have always have always been God’s people – once called Israel and today called the Church.

    Now, if we have birthday cake tomorrow to celebrate the birth of the Church, I will stay quiet and perhaps go back for 2nds. 🙂

  5. Jean says:

    MLD, There’s a reason why the traditional font has 8 sides. 🙂

  6. What is it – I had heard before 8 is eternity – 8 people saved in the Flood
    We have 4 baptismal fonys and they are all round.

  7. Jean says:

    The 8 sided font comes from 1 Peter 3 where he says “Baptism, which corresponds to this….” “This” being the flood. Sheesh, you left coast dudes are so impious.

    I am very interested in hearing from Xenia what the traditional EO font looks like.

  8. We are considered saltwater Lutherans – we never follow the corporate offices direction 😉

  9. Xenia says:

    Jean, ours looks like a chalice, big enough to completely immerse a little baby. Older people get baptized in the tub that’s concealed under a bench on the porch.

  10. Jean says:

    Thank you Xenia! Those pictures put a big smile on my face, which is a great way to start the day.

  11. v.11 is today
    We have been repented and we have been baptized = forgiveness of our sins and we have received the Holy Spirit.

    And then today, as a body we have been Pentecosted – we have had that same pouring out of the Holy Spirit on us in a unified body.
    We have been repented – we have been baptized and we have been pentecosted.:-)

  12. Jean says:

    When you hear a Law and Gospel sermon like the one John gave in Chapter 3, your conscience may acquit or condemn you. If your condemned, you then hear about a Messiah who creates children from stones, who baptizes for repentance and who gathers his own into the barn. If that’s what you hear, you’ve been repented.

    If your conscience aquits you, you’re still in your sin.

    I’m not suggesting that we all undertake a self diagnosis based on Chapter 3, but just using it as an illustration of how the Holy Spirit works through the preached Word.

  13. Isa 55:11 = “so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.”

    God sends out his word to convert or to convict. No one escapes God’s word. No one can listen to God’s word and say “I don’t get it.”

  14. I find it interesting if you follow John’s line of conversation with the Pharisees and Sadducees that baptism is what is going to set them apart – or save them from the jusgement. Follow as he is baptizing for repentance and we see in Acts 2 that repentance and baptism go together for salvation – but then he stops and preaches law and damnation to the P & S – but in the middle of that he says ““I baptize you with water for repentance,…” – so to the same group it is his intention to baptize them and he seems to be warning – “you had better get down here in the water with me before Jesus gets here because you will not want to bear what he has to say.

    As I said in my comment for v 17, it seems that baptism is that winnowing process. What do you think of John’s baptism? What do you think of baptism?

  15. Em again says:

    i am not going to get into the discussion on “decision theology” nor what John was doing out there baptizing … suffice it to say, that what is clear here is attitude … arrogance v humility – no outward performance has any standing before God, Who looks on and searches men’s hearts … like those Pharisees and Sadducees, if you think that you are entitled, you probably aren’t.

  16. hmmm, and here I thought that the important part of the chapter was to figure out what John was doing out there baptizing.

    Oh, and everyone is arrogant until they are preached to – the P & S are no different.

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