I had seen this story a little earlier today and then posted on Facebook just a bit ago. And then I come here and see it once again. This is truly horrible.
For all the wrongful things that GFA has done, and they have a litany of them, this is the crux where things come to an awful end. While GFA hordes hundreds of millions of dollars and use donor money to support for-profit ventures and winning political favor with the Indian government, children in their programs are left to die or to work in slave labor conditions.
Now you know how I felt when I first read in the GFA Diaspora about the woman who was supporting dozens of BoH children only to realize that all these children, from all over India, who spoke many different languages, were writing letters penned by the same person who spoke Hindi. Now I have learned that this kind of fraud is epidemic there. According to an inside source, almost all of the Indian Charities are using poor Dalits to raise money for false purposes. Scammers flock to the charity business there, just as they do here in the US. Buyer beware…
I read this and there’s a part of me that says that a Christian or Christian ministry would never be capable of the things described. My heart breaks for those who could be helped but aren’t and I’m saddened the name of our God is mocked as a result. I pray those responsible would see their sin and repent. Only by God’s grace am I not doing worse than this. Terrible..
Have you read about DHS in Oregon being sued for $60,000,000 for neglecting to deal with child abuse and extreme neglect under it’s care. Two top officials were fired on Friday. It’s a horrifying picture of the incompetence and waste of money. Just google it and read some of the charges, including 2 children who in a starvation state.
I don’t know what to do in response to this story. I’m nit a GFA donor and I’m not even an evangelical anymore so I have nothing to do with them and am not in social circles where I know people who have anything to do with them. They suck and the attitudes displayed in that article suck, but I have zero influence over any of this.
I feel obligated to point out that the story about the child with a kidney stone is from an anonymous source and I have no means to know how accurate it is. According to Throckmorton: “The Indian observer is a person who is my source for the story. I can’t reveal the name because the person fears for personal safety.”
I think it only fair to apply a reasonable degree of scrutiny to anonymous sources before reacting with moral outrage.
I’d recommend you stuff that article…
That is garbage.
All over this country people are (allegedly) being defrauded.
That is the small matter.
The large matter is that if these people are being defrauded, then thousands of children who had no other hope are being starved and in the case Warren mentioned…deprived of medical care and dying.
What the hell is wrong with people that they can no longer get angry about the things God gets angry about?
Where is the concern for justice and truth?
I hope the lawsuit leads to criminal charges that put these people away forever if found guilty.
Anyone that defends this evil truly needs to check themselves to see if they are in the faith.
Wow. That is an extremely sobering charge to make. If these accusations are true, then I can certainly see calling someone’s salvation into question. I don’t know for a fact that the accusations are true. At this point, the operative word is “alleged.”
We are to hate injustice, but we are not called to hate people. God calls us to love our enemies, and if indeed KP is an enemy of the Kingdom, we are still called to love him. Condemning someone to Hell is the sole charge of our heavenly Father. Loving someone does not mean we excuse sin. Often the most loving thing to do is to confront a brother with sin. I can’t do this in my case, because I do not know these things to be true. All I have are the words of others.
Read my words. I am not defending Gospel of Asia or anyone else. Questioning someone’s salvation based on allegations is a slippery slope. I continue to pray that the Holy Spirit gives me discernment.
I did email George Verwer about some questions I had. He sent me his book (More Drops) and I just recently finished reading it. His views on “messiology” were quite intriguing. It reminded me of times when I was in sin, but the Holy Spirit still worked through me to encourage and counsel others. I wasn’t able to be at peace until I repented of that sin, but God still chose to work through me anyway. (this isn’t drumming up sales for George, he sends it out free to anyone who asks, or in my case didn’t ask)
God still chooses to use us when we sin. If KP and GFA are in sin, then by all means let us pray for their repentance and restoration. How would God receive more glory, bringing a ministry down and condemining people to Hell, or bringing about reconciliation and restoration?
CaliFlower – Fair enough if you also call into question the many stories GFA puts up with no way to verify them.
My source fears for not only a job but for personal safety. This source has never been wrong and has supplied information which convinced me that the story is true.
Is there any legal manner to stop the millions of donations sitting in Indian banks from being used for 20 years of litigation bills? I get sick to my stomach.
Ok, let’s work with the assumption that the allegations are true. Much as when Jonah became angry at the lack of destruction at Nineveh, our sense of justice cries out for punishment in the case of injustice. God called Jonah to proclaim the destruction of Nineveh. When the people heard it, they repented and God relented.
Jonah was angry that God spared them. He didn’t rejoice in their repentance but rather desired their destruction.
Am I wrong when I say that as Christ followers we should pray for repentance and restoration? I know that it absolutely tears at my flesh to do so. I hate it and it is against our human nature. The only way I can respond in love is through the power of the Holy Spirit.
My brothers and sisters in Christ, please don’t rejoice in this. If the conviction given you is to bring awareness to these issues, then please obey the Lord’s leading. But please, let us do so not with malice or rejoicing, but rather with sorrow and love, trusting our King to judge each according to their deeds.
I don’t believe that anyone here is “rejoicing” in this. Rather, we are disgusted and grieved that millions of $ that were sent to help the poor are instead building huge homes and campuses, and for profit business, as well as giving money to government officials, and paying PR firms and attorneys. Also millions sitting in the bank rather than supporting local indigenous pastors and helping feed and give medical aid to poor children. Something is very wrong here. There are pastors on the board of directors that will not speak to the issues and continue to promote this “charity.”
No rejoicing……none at all.
I Corinthians 5:9-13 – I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
We are crying out to have the evil person purged from among us. The person whose acts have been so evil, that while knowing we aren’t the ones who make the final judgment, we can look at the fruits and recognize that this looks like one that will be thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7:16-20 – You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Yes, the greatest thing would be for GFA to repent and be restored (including their acts of restoration toward all they have stolen from or withheld from). However, since GFA has shown little to no inclination to repentance of any kind, we cry out for justice and righteousness to take place until if ever and when real repentance takes place.
Well said, Nonnie and Kevin.
This is an old trick that has been used here for years.
Someone comes on and deflects the attention from whatever gross sin we are discussing to how we are having that discussion.
The depths of this depravity are never clearer than in what CaliFlower just tried to do.
Our discussion merits comment but the death of a child does not.
Thanks Nonnie, Kevin and Michael! Someone comes on here without using their real name to deflect attention from the real issue of outlandish fraud which includes significant abuse. I suspect we are dealing with either: 1) an employee of the PR whitewashing firm GFA is throwing Mammon at to do this kind of thing or 2) a Believer’s Church employee being given Mammon for the same. If I am right, they will receive the same cup that KP and his corrupt group of racketeering, lying and steal co-conspirators will soon drink. Whitewashing corruption is not acceptable to Jesus. The now dead Pharisees will testify to that.
Michael, I agree with what you said once on one of your podcasts. You should not allow anonymous commenters to post up on your site. Not unless they are actually in fear of retribution from some spiritual abuser. We need to own our comments, just as I have from the beginning here and on Warren’s blog. GFA knows who I am because my last name is not common. Early on in one of my first battles with a GFA supporter, someone outed my first name on Warren’s blog. The fact they did that spoke volumes. I knew that they had to be on the inside and had to look at the donor records to do that.
I agree with you. And I think this same person is watching Warren’s blog under the name JP (I wonder if the P stands for Punnoose, KP’s family name.) Apparently, immediately after I posted my first post here, this JP questions my Avatar on Warren’s blog under the latest GFA post. Too coincidental. I think I hit a nerve with someone. I wonder if that IP address is identical to CaliFlower.
Thanks Kevin, I don’t claim to be a theologian, so I appreciate the Scriptures. I’ll dig into this further. I wonder why that guy in Canada didn’t address that? I’m also still a little fuzzy on how the church can exercise authority in this matter, or what would constitute the “church” that he refers to. Whatever my conclusion, I will still continue to pray for repentance and restoration.
Dead child. That’s something you definitely don’t want to hear, especially if you are the parents. Living in a fallen world really sucks. I look forward to a new heaven and a new earth more and more each day.
I tend to be a blunt person, so I’ll be blunt. I don’t know enough to know how sad, disappointed or outraged I should be. All I have is “failed to act on the request.” That tells me nothing of the circumstances, timeline, how the request was received, etc. Judging by Warren’s previous posts, I would assume more details are forthcoming.
Incidentally, this is the eve of our Lord’s crucifixion. It never ceases to amaze me, that “for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.”
Jesus walked this earth not only seeing sin everywhere, but seeing the sins in each heart. He got to see man’s depravity, hatred and utter disdain for His Father, and somehow He still chose to pay the price for my and your salvation. Amazing grace.
You’re anything but blunt.
You’re here to deflect the truth and you are not above using Christian terms and scriptures to do so.
You have failed to address any of the known facts and are simply trying to make an apologetic to cover the wicked.
You make me sick…I despise your kind with every thing I am.
You’re also leaving…I will not be an accomplice to your evil.
I had seen this story a little earlier today and then posted on Facebook just a bit ago. And then I come here and see it once again. This is truly horrible.
For all the wrongful things that GFA has done, and they have a litany of them, this is the crux where things come to an awful end. While GFA hordes hundreds of millions of dollars and use donor money to support for-profit ventures and winning political favor with the Indian government, children in their programs are left to die or to work in slave labor conditions.
A pox on their house!
Kevin H,
This one has me in tears of rage.
Cleaning up the headline took most of the morning…
Now you know how I felt when I first read in the GFA Diaspora about the woman who was supporting dozens of BoH children only to realize that all these children, from all over India, who spoke many different languages, were writing letters penned by the same person who spoke Hindi. Now I have learned that this kind of fraud is epidemic there. According to an inside source, almost all of the Indian Charities are using poor Dalits to raise money for false purposes. Scammers flock to the charity business there, just as they do here in the US. Buyer beware…
I hope the truth will come out in this story.
I read this and there’s a part of me that says that a Christian or Christian ministry would never be capable of the things described. My heart breaks for those who could be helped but aren’t and I’m saddened the name of our God is mocked as a result. I pray those responsible would see their sin and repent. Only by God’s grace am I not doing worse than this. Terrible..
Have you read about DHS in Oregon being sued for $60,000,000 for neglecting to deal with child abuse and extreme neglect under it’s care. Two top officials were fired on Friday. It’s a horrifying picture of the incompetence and waste of money. Just google it and read some of the charges, including 2 children who in a starvation state.
GFA and #6- brings to mind Ezekiel 23:37-39
Were they homeschooled?
I don’t know what to do in response to this story. I’m nit a GFA donor and I’m not even an evangelical anymore so I have nothing to do with them and am not in social circles where I know people who have anything to do with them. They suck and the attitudes displayed in that article suck, but I have zero influence over any of this.
j2,
My job is to continually remind the people who do have influence that they are culpable in all the evils this outfit commits.
I feel obligated to point out that the story about the child with a kidney stone is from an anonymous source and I have no means to know how accurate it is. According to Throckmorton: “The Indian observer is a person who is my source for the story. I can’t reveal the name because the person fears for personal safety.”
I think it only fair to apply a reasonable degree of scrutiny to anonymous sources before reacting with moral outrage.
Name one time that Warren has posted something proven wrong.
You can’t.
I believe him.
There’s a special place in hell for the people that run GFA.
Thank you, had to get that out of my system.
I’d recommend adding this to your link list: http://fpctillsonburg.blogspot.dk/2016/02/gospel-for-asia-lawsuit-on-how.html
I’d recommend you stuff that article…
That is garbage.
All over this country people are (allegedly) being defrauded.
That is the small matter.
The large matter is that if these people are being defrauded, then thousands of children who had no other hope are being starved and in the case Warren mentioned…deprived of medical care and dying.
What the hell is wrong with people that they can no longer get angry about the things God gets angry about?
Where is the concern for justice and truth?
I hope the lawsuit leads to criminal charges that put these people away forever if found guilty.
Anyone that defends this evil truly needs to check themselves to see if they are in the faith.
Wow. That is an extremely sobering charge to make. If these accusations are true, then I can certainly see calling someone’s salvation into question. I don’t know for a fact that the accusations are true. At this point, the operative word is “alleged.”
We are to hate injustice, but we are not called to hate people. God calls us to love our enemies, and if indeed KP is an enemy of the Kingdom, we are still called to love him. Condemning someone to Hell is the sole charge of our heavenly Father. Loving someone does not mean we excuse sin. Often the most loving thing to do is to confront a brother with sin. I can’t do this in my case, because I do not know these things to be true. All I have are the words of others.
Read my words. I am not defending Gospel of Asia or anyone else. Questioning someone’s salvation based on allegations is a slippery slope. I continue to pray that the Holy Spirit gives me discernment.
I did email George Verwer about some questions I had. He sent me his book (More Drops) and I just recently finished reading it. His views on “messiology” were quite intriguing. It reminded me of times when I was in sin, but the Holy Spirit still worked through me to encourage and counsel others. I wasn’t able to be at peace until I repented of that sin, but God still chose to work through me anyway. (this isn’t drumming up sales for George, he sends it out free to anyone who asks, or in my case didn’t ask)
God still chooses to use us when we sin. If KP and GFA are in sin, then by all means let us pray for their repentance and restoration. How would God receive more glory, bringing a ministry down and condemining people to Hell, or bringing about reconciliation and restoration?
I believe the allegations are true.
Period.
One more thing.
I don’t give a rats ass about KP and his band of (alleged) thieves.
I care about the kids.
CaliFlower – Fair enough if you also call into question the many stories GFA puts up with no way to verify them.
My source fears for not only a job but for personal safety. This source has never been wrong and has supplied information which convinced me that the story is true.
Warren,
If they don’t think the verified facts are sufficient, they won’t believe that sourced facts are.
My guess is that CaliFlower was sent…
Is there any legal manner to stop the millions of donations sitting in Indian banks from being used for 20 years of litigation bills? I get sick to my stomach.
Ok, let’s work with the assumption that the allegations are true. Much as when Jonah became angry at the lack of destruction at Nineveh, our sense of justice cries out for punishment in the case of injustice. God called Jonah to proclaim the destruction of Nineveh. When the people heard it, they repented and God relented.
Jonah was angry that God spared them. He didn’t rejoice in their repentance but rather desired their destruction.
Am I wrong when I say that as Christ followers we should pray for repentance and restoration? I know that it absolutely tears at my flesh to do so. I hate it and it is against our human nature. The only way I can respond in love is through the power of the Holy Spirit.
My brothers and sisters in Christ, please don’t rejoice in this. If the conviction given you is to bring awareness to these issues, then please obey the Lord’s leading. But please, let us do so not with malice or rejoicing, but rather with sorrow and love, trusting our King to judge each according to their deeds.
I don’t believe that anyone here is “rejoicing” in this. Rather, we are disgusted and grieved that millions of $ that were sent to help the poor are instead building huge homes and campuses, and for profit business, as well as giving money to government officials, and paying PR firms and attorneys. Also millions sitting in the bank rather than supporting local indigenous pastors and helping feed and give medical aid to poor children. Something is very wrong here. There are pastors on the board of directors that will not speak to the issues and continue to promote this “charity.”
No rejoicing……none at all.
I Corinthians 5:9-13 – I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people- not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside. “Purge the evil person from among you.”
We are crying out to have the evil person purged from among us. The person whose acts have been so evil, that while knowing we aren’t the ones who make the final judgment, we can look at the fruits and recognize that this looks like one that will be thrown into the fire.
Matthew 7:16-20 – You will recognize them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? So, every healthy tree bears good fruit, but the diseased tree bears bad fruit. A healthy tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a diseased tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits.
Yes, the greatest thing would be for GFA to repent and be restored (including their acts of restoration toward all they have stolen from or withheld from). However, since GFA has shown little to no inclination to repentance of any kind, we cry out for justice and righteousness to take place until if ever and when real repentance takes place.
Well said, Nonnie and Kevin.
This is an old trick that has been used here for years.
Someone comes on and deflects the attention from whatever gross sin we are discussing to how we are having that discussion.
The depths of this depravity are never clearer than in what CaliFlower just tried to do.
Our discussion merits comment but the death of a child does not.
That…is a special kind of evil.
Thanks Nonnie, Kevin and Michael! Someone comes on here without using their real name to deflect attention from the real issue of outlandish fraud which includes significant abuse. I suspect we are dealing with either: 1) an employee of the PR whitewashing firm GFA is throwing Mammon at to do this kind of thing or 2) a Believer’s Church employee being given Mammon for the same. If I am right, they will receive the same cup that KP and his corrupt group of racketeering, lying and steal co-conspirators will soon drink. Whitewashing corruption is not acceptable to Jesus. The now dead Pharisees will testify to that.
Mr. Jesperson…amen.
Michael, I agree with what you said once on one of your podcasts. You should not allow anonymous commenters to post up on your site. Not unless they are actually in fear of retribution from some spiritual abuser. We need to own our comments, just as I have from the beginning here and on Warren’s blog. GFA knows who I am because my last name is not common. Early on in one of my first battles with a GFA supporter, someone outed my first name on Warren’s blog. The fact they did that spoke volumes. I knew that they had to be on the inside and had to look at the donor records to do that.
Mr. Jesperson,
Sometimes it’s valuable to allow people to post anonymously…there is often fear of retribution.
In the case of CaliFlower, this person has a fake email address and the ip address is a new one.
This person was here with a purpose.
I agree with you. And I think this same person is watching Warren’s blog under the name JP (I wonder if the P stands for Punnoose, KP’s family name.) Apparently, immediately after I posted my first post here, this JP questions my Avatar on Warren’s blog under the latest GFA post. Too coincidental. I think I hit a nerve with someone. I wonder if that IP address is identical to CaliFlower.
Thanks Kevin, I don’t claim to be a theologian, so I appreciate the Scriptures. I’ll dig into this further. I wonder why that guy in Canada didn’t address that? I’m also still a little fuzzy on how the church can exercise authority in this matter, or what would constitute the “church” that he refers to. Whatever my conclusion, I will still continue to pray for repentance and restoration.
DEAD CHILD.
The money we sent could have saved his life.
Look into THAT, CaliFlower.
One of the ways the church could respond/exercise authority would be for leaders to speak up. The GFA board needs to be held accountable.
Dead child. That’s something you definitely don’t want to hear, especially if you are the parents. Living in a fallen world really sucks. I look forward to a new heaven and a new earth more and more each day.
I tend to be a blunt person, so I’ll be blunt. I don’t know enough to know how sad, disappointed or outraged I should be. All I have is “failed to act on the request.” That tells me nothing of the circumstances, timeline, how the request was received, etc. Judging by Warren’s previous posts, I would assume more details are forthcoming.
Incidentally, this is the eve of our Lord’s crucifixion. It never ceases to amaze me, that “for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has set down at the right hand of the throne of God. For consider Him who has endured such hostility by sinners against Himself, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.”
Jesus walked this earth not only seeing sin everywhere, but seeing the sins in each heart. He got to see man’s depravity, hatred and utter disdain for His Father, and somehow He still chose to pay the price for my and your salvation. Amazing grace.
CaliFlower,
You’re anything but blunt.
You’re here to deflect the truth and you are not above using Christian terms and scriptures to do so.
You have failed to address any of the known facts and are simply trying to make an apologetic to cover the wicked.
You make me sick…I despise your kind with every thing I am.
You’re also leaving…I will not be an accomplice to your evil.
CaliFlower, I have responded to your questions below:
http://fpctillsonburg.blogspot.ca/2016/03/more-on-gospel-for-asia.html