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  1. Xenia says:

    1. I can accept the results of the election.<<<

    I think this election demonstrates the ultimately, a democratic form of government will fail.

    Nevertheless, he's the ruler God has given us and it's our job as Christians to pray for him and to shelter those who might be harmed.

    2. To be honest, I was hoping that Trump would lose <<<

    I was just hoping Trump would lose, period. Of course, I was hoping Hillary would lose, too.

    3. The holiday season is upon us…I’d rather have a colonoscopy…

    My favorite time of the year. 🙂

    4. I’ve officially given up on the idea of “unity”. <<<

    We can't be united when our population is so diverse. I can't unite with racists, abortionists, gay rights activists, etc. But I can find the image of God in everyone and attempt to understand how people came to believe the things they believe.

    5. I am depressed that both sides of all our divisions keep imputing evil motives to the other. <<<

    I think we can impute evil motives to some people on both sides. Well, we could, except that would be judging in the truest sense of the word. I think it’s best to assume everybody’s got some hidden angst that causes them to hold extreme ideas.

    6. I think they make fast food cheese out of the same stuff they embalm you with…<<<

    If you want to avoid premature participation in the embalming process, stay away from all categories of fast food, Michael. Here is what you should eat:

    Lean protein (eggs, fish, chicken, turkey, other lean meat)
    Low-fat dairy
    Olive oil.

    Avoid at all costs:
    Anything made with white flour. Avoiding ALL flour is best. (I avoid most grains, period)
    All processed food including Arby's
    ALCOHOL except maybe a glass or two of wine with dinner

    My priest was diagnosed w/ diabetes and he has heart disease. His doctor put him on this life-long regimen. My doctor gave me this diet last spring and I have lost 40 pounds over the summer and have regained my health which was flagging a bit.

    7. If you’ve read here any length of time you know that I’m a fervent fan of hockey.<<<

    I have nothing to say about hockey.

    8. I’ve cured some post election angst by watching amusing cat videos… your mileage may vary… <<<

    Scroll down to the bottom of my post for the best video ever.

    9. Maybe it’s just my experience…but so far in life I’ve found that telling people that are upset to just stop being upset is not a productive strategy…<<<

    Ain't that the truth. "Don't be depressed" is like telling someone "Don't have that headache."

    10. It may be helpful at this point to post on social media our gratitude to God for shared blessings…<<<

    And now, the best video in the world. It's in Russian but has good subtitles. It is funny and full of Christian truth. You will all love it. (Well, maybe contrarians won't love it but it will do them good anyway.)

    And now I present: THE VISIT OF CHRIST

  2. Rob says:

    I think some people have been saying some dumb things since this election. I figure it’s not my job to correct them…right now….just let everyone have a little time to vent. That’s OK.

  3. Dallas says:

    2. Strangely enough that is still the silverest of linings that I can find for him having won. I might be naive, but I think evangelicals are going to pay a price they didn’t expect for this election.

  4. Xenia says:

    Dallas, I think they will lose people. I know for myself, if I hadn’t left the evangelical world 15 years ago for theological reasons I would have left them this year over Trump.

  5. Michael says:

    Xenia…that is the best video on the internet…thank you.

  6. Josh the Baptist says:

    RE #2 – This is better. For the most part, white evangelicals hated Trump, but voted for him because he’s Republican. They have this dream that Republicans are going to overturn Roe vs. Wade and really bring down the abortion numbers in our country. I’ve seen no past history to tell me this is so, but now there will be no excuse. Republican president and majorities in house and senate. If abortion numbers don’t go way down, SURELY evangelicals can finally divorce the Republican party for good and seek other strategies for combating abortion.

  7. filbertz says:

    I’m daily working to reduce conflict over the election and concern over the future. I do so by limiting my time with the ‘news,’ directing conversations away from partisan politics, asking others about their concerns/activities, and being more transparent than others anticipate I will be. I have taken MLD’s view to heart–that the POTUS has little direct effect upon my personal life–and that ministry is all around us all the time. I reserve my concerns about the government to my time in prayer–He alone can do something about it or give me peace in the meantime. I’ve got family, students, and a bucket list to invest my time and attention to.

  8. filbertz says:

    Is the hockey reference a disguise for your Vikings angst? 😉

  9. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    fil thanks for stating my position about POTUS.
    The media is a world all unto its own – they lie and manipulate – probably not news there.
    I had a business association with a young couple from Iran and he taught me a pretty good lesson.

    I asked him how can your family remain in Iran with the conditions and the political state. He told me that I knew nothing of Iran if what I knew was from the news (this was back in 2002 / 2003.) He was probable mid to late 20s.

    He told me that Iran is just like any other country and how he had come over here with the Iranian snowboard team – well shut my mouth, who knew that Ayatollah Iran had a snowboard team? I don’t even know if I knew that Iran had snow.

    Skip ahead, when I asked how they lived with the politics and the totalitarian government etc – he said, we just ignore them and live our life, do what we want to do. Then he looked at me and said – how much attention do you pay to what George Bush says and does in your daily life? I smiled and said ‘none’

  10. Dallas says:

    Xenia, I wonder if it might not be more than that. It will be interesting to see how things play out.


    9. This has been a good lesson to learn here. I know that for me personally, the only person who ended up blocked on social media from all this was someone who being too exuberant in their encouragement to “move on”. A lot of people had some pretty intense emotions about all of this, not ones that are easily swept aside.

  11. bill says:

    I think it’s silly, not to mention highly reductionistic, to say “evangelicals think, do, etc” as if they were a monolithic group. Nothing could be further from the case. Indeed, a number of them who are perceived as such don’t even know the term! I stopped trying to group people a long time ago.

  12. Steve Wright says:

    Josh, The pro life cause is far more diverse than your #6 implies. There are many, many aspects that used to be agreed upon in this nation by both sides that the last 8 years shot to pieces. See the Hyde Amendment in place since the 70s that the 2016 Democrat platform called to abolish…or for that matter the Little Sisters of the Poor lawsuit as a couple examples.

    I suggest also researching the Born Alive Infants Protection Act signed in 2002 by President Bush that would certainly not be law if Gore had won. Frankly, it is remarkable to me that such legislation was even needed, but the altar of abortion in this nation is never satiated.

    And the rumblings of desire for even greater legal ways to commit infanticide are always heard. One example, “aborting” children with serious birth defects not discovered until after delivery that otherwise would have been aborted had their been knowledge. And all it takes is a compliant Congress and Supreme Court to make it so…

    Here is a quote that even the left of center Slate was critical of – proposed in the Journal of Medical Ethics

    [W]hen circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. … [W]e propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasize that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus … rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk.

    Do you think that sort of madness should be fought against? My CA Senator (now retired) is on record with this sort of an idea years ago I might add. (Barbara Boxer).

  13. Josh the Baptist says:

    Steve, will you be disappointed if the number of abortions stays the same (or goes up) in the next four years?

  14. Josh the Baptist says:

    Bill, inmost cases I would agree. In this case, we are talking about people who self-identify as such on a voter’s poll.

  15. Josh the Baptist says:

    And Steve – Not to dismiss your points, I am 100% against abortion. I think the strategy of voting Republican has been an utter failure for the pro-life cause. I wish we could find better ways.

  16. ( |o )====::: says:

    Trump and his supporters will show themselves to be what they truly are.
    I’m going to refresh my soul

    I’ve refocused on art & music.

    I recently bought one of these and have spent some time exploring it. Wow!

    Line 6 Sonic Port VX iOS Interface

    Amazing! I can plug in my battery powered Yamaha Silent Guitar

    into it, monitor with quality earbuds, choose from hundreds of preset tones which I’ve since customized and added to custom Setlists, then use my iPhone to record multitrack songs including vocals, and mix them down to iTunes. Oh, and I take an aux output to an external battery powered Bose speaker (which sounds amazing). I can put all of this into my computer bag, break down the guitar into a carry on shoulder bag and travel anywhere on the planet with this mini-studio / performance system.

    Oil painting lessons from Hyatt Moore

    Hyatt has a loose style which i find expressive and liberating. I had no idea art could be so free and an adventure!

  17. ( |o )====::: says:

    Hi Michael,
    I’m in moderating because of 3 art & music links.

  18. Josh the Baptist says:

    The Sonic Port looks like a good idea. Is the mic quality good?

  19. ( |o )====::: says:

    The quality is excellent, studio quality on par with Shure, Sennheiser. If you must have a Neumann, but that gets in the way of all this being in one’s pocket (I literally put all into a coat pocket and slung my guitar over my shoulder and sat outside in the yard under a tree).

    The Mobile POD software is amazing

  20. Steve Wright says:

    Josh, I just wanted to address your comment since you seemed to be speaking as a Republican (and our “dream”) and you aren’t one. This is an extremely complicated topic with a wide variety of aspects that also vary state to state (and have nothing to do with Obama or Trump). I’ve avoided all discussion unrelated to Calvary Chapel, especially political in nature, for awhile and am not looking to change that. But to answer your question and then move on…

    I am hoping that our nation will go the right way, God’s way, on the value of life. That includes inner city black youth killing each other in Chicago and around the country, to the push for euthanasia even in cases of depression or mental illness, to killing in stupid wars that are about foreign interests first, and to abortion as well as some of the radical developments more and more people think are legitimate, such as the “after birth abortion” (and for the sake of God and truth I hope people read more than just what Snopes has to say about it, especially among our millennials)

    I also want to see people working again, prospering, helping their neighbor. I want a better future for my children (and someday grandchildren) and am no Hezekiah only worried about his own wellbeing while he is around (and I don’t have rapture-itis either)

    I read what is going on socially in Europe and know it is at our doorsteps – and it truly is an abomination. I know it is the whirlwind of a continent that sowed the wind as to the abandonment of the Gospel in large measures, more and more secular or pagan…As recent as the Bill Clinton era I never would have thought I would see the stuff we see today in the USA – of course, I never thought I would see the violence after a legit election that even Obama and Hillary both graciously conceded was over – nor the many justifications and apologists for such violence around the media.

    I’ve tried to live my life personally, and pastor our church to respect life as God does, using my money, my time, my influence, and my words to do so. I have no idea what statistics may or may not show in the next 4 years but I know you don’t turn the Titanic around quickly, but you have to at least start turning the wheel…

    The battle is real. There is a ministry that gives free sonograms to poor people that is politically opposed by one and only one party. Free…to the poor. Opposed. And the typical response is they MIGHT encourage a woman to keep her baby after she sees the picture of her baby.

    But nobody says Planned Parenthood might encourage the ending of the baby’s life. And they get our tax dollars whereas the free service, supported by churches and individuals can’t even operate.

    When one is in the trenches, the idea that one party cares about the poor and the other the rich is proven wrong. This election and recent years should show that as well. There is one collective UniParty – Republicrat or Demoplican or however one wants to spell it.

    Yeah, I’ll be glad if Trump puts a solid prolife judge on SCOTUS and will be furious if he does not. As with his entire administration, time will tell.

  21. Steve Wright says:

    I think the strategy of voting Republican has been an utter failure for the pro-life cause
    Just saw this. You are wrong. Wrong on SCOTUS. Wrong at the local and state levels of government. I love you and know you are solid prolife, but on this, you are wrong.

    I will agree, if this is your larger point, that the Republicans have USED prolifers and others and taken us for granted for years. But those chickens have come home to roost…first with Romney and the abandonment of him, and definitely now with Trump and his supports against the Bush/Romney/GOP elitists and so-called conservative media.

    Now, I’m gone. Love you, Josh.

  22. Josh the Baptist says:

    Hey, Love you too brother. I can disagree and still love.

    You didn’t quite answer my question, but I think that I can guess that you will be disappointed if abortion numbers don’t go down now that Republicans rule the day. I do believe that is you issue, and I think it is a noble issue, indeed.

    However, Republicans have been in office before, and the abortion numbers tend to rise slightly when they are in office. Listen, I’m not talking about what you do in your personal life. I am certain that you are actively involved in the local fight against abortion, and knowing you, I am sure that you are effective. I’m only talking about the “white evangelical” who thinks they are going to bring down abortion by electing…Donald Trump!?! But, we will see. If those numbers are down significantly in four years, I will gladly eat my words and vote for Donald Trump’s re-election.

  23. Em ... again says:

    1 – the results of the election ain’t happened yet… it may get very interesting or it may settle back into the brackish soup of the political pond… amen to the focus

    2 – i rather suspect the religious among us will experience a little angst as the results plays out

    3 – we have a very strange atmosphere in the land between Thanksgiving and New Years for sure … do you know there was a time when no one strung Xmas lites on their house and stores only stayed open nites the week before Christmas?

    4 – unity? who wants unity? unity is of the devil … 🙂

    5 – well. if you never read past the gospels, one might miss Romans 14:10 … there are days when i am among the “willfully ignorant” i’m certain

    6 – amen … see Xenia’s approved food list … hard to find good fresh food in the markets of the PNW these days

    7 – sounds veddy British old chap … do tennis players still call their opponent’s ball? did in my day – the days of wooden and (ahem) cat gut rackets

    8 – up here we were distracted from post election angst by the horses breaking the fence post off and escaping and a deer-car crash out in front of the house (the deer didn’t suffer this time) – it was a relief to find there was no need to have to dispatch another crippled, poor, wounded creature (in the mountains with the wolves, coyotes and cougars, all deer wounds are mortal eventually)

    9 & 10 amen and God keep

  24. Josh the Baptist says:

    G- Could you connect it via USB to a PC?

  25. Michael says:

    Thank you, Em!

  26. Erunner says:

    Bill @ 11…. My screen name is Erunner. I chose it many years ago when I was into running. I tagged on the E to represent Evangelical.

    In my mind Evangelical meant I wanted to reach the lost and that can happen through evangelism on a personal level. As I was CC I couldn’t call myself a Lutheran, Baptist, etc.

    These days I identify simply as a Christian. But to the rest of the world I imagine I’m Evangelical and a menace to society! 🙂

    I also believe those who voted for Trump can’t be broad brushed as I’m certain all different types of people voted for him although some will never admit it.

    For the record I didn’t vote for either party and left the presidential pick blank. But now that Trump is in I pray good things will result which creates a ton of controversy in and of itself. Erunner/ AKA Allan Adams

  27. ( |o )====::: says:

    Pretty sure you can, sorry, I’m quite PC ignorant!

  28. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    “3 – we have a very strange atmosphere in the land between Thanksgiving and New Years for sure … do you know there was a time when no one strung Xmas lites on their house and stores only stayed open nites the week before Christmas?”

    Good point – This is when the Church observed Advent which are the weeks anticipating his coming and is not Christmas at all.

    What others do not realize is that Christmas was observed (still so in my church) as a season – beginning Christmas Day and running through – everyone listen, you heard it before in song – the 12 days of Christmas – which led you right up to Epiphany.

    btw – New Years Day Jan 1 is the feast of the circumcision of our Lord (8th day of Christmas) on the 8th day.

  29. Erunner says:

    1. I accept the results of the election knowing God didn’t endorse either candidate.

    2. I think that many Christians would have needed to do some self examination regardless of who won. Not just Evangelicals.

    3.This is my favorite time of year. I have always found that during the Christmas season people have always been very keen to talk with no barriers. This year… I don’t know.

    4. This has been a concern of mine since for many years. The election was simply a reflection of the terrible example we have set by driving one another farther away over some very stupid things. I want to believe the body can come together but I’m not seeing it.

    5. And here we look just like the world so what must they think of us? There’s this thing about having to be right all the time and it’s something God despises. PRIDE.

    6. I like Xenia’s comments above. Can she teach me portion control?? 🙂

    7. I still don’t like hockey! 🙂

    8. I’ve rented a few movies. They’re my great escape.

    9. Forty years of marriage and all I can say is AMEN!!!

    10. Social media can be a bear right now. I’ve posted a few political things in what I hope was in a balanced way and I am sharing a Christmas song each day till Christmas.

  30. Duane Arnold says:

    As a Christian, I will practice resistance… non-violent civil disobedience when necessary… resistance in thought, word and deed when appropriate. This, of course, is what I have always held as the duty of Christians whenever they face the demands of the State that run contrary to the values and practice enjoined by the Gospel. Our situation today may be somewhat different, but it is only a difference in degree, not a difference in kind. I actually think this has been consistent through much of Church history. I love my country, but I love Christ more… or at least I will continue to attempt to do so with the grace given…

  31. Michael says:


    I think that summarizes our marching orders…under any administration.
    Well said…

  32. Potatoehead says:

    #7 you’ve read here any length of time you know that I’m a fervent fan of hockey.<<<

    A bumper sticker I saw the other day:

    "Lets Make Hockey Violent Again"

  33. passin throgh says:

    Not to minimize what has happened…

    …But this is an opportune time for real Christians to walk out their faith.

    Like this incident at Baylor, where, after her class was over, 300 students walked alongside a young woman, 2 days after she was shoved off the sidewalk and had a racial epithet hurled at her by an apparent peckerwood.

    God’s Kingdom continues to expand, no matter who is or isn’t in the WH.

  34. Potatoehead says:


    Today’s (11-14-2016) OC Register front page made the claim that Trump “restated” his pledge to roll back abortion rights and he would help overturn the 1973 Roe vs Wade decision by naming a Supreme Court justice who opposed abortion rights.

  35. Duane Arnold says:

    #31 Thank you Michael. #33 Yes, yes, yes… and we have to be present. The other evening at the protest, I was standing five feet from a police who, with no provocation, unholstered his gun. He looked to be about 30 years old. I approached him (wearing suit and tie) and said, “What are you doing?” He immediately holstered his weapon and said, “Sorry sir…”

    This is just to say, we can make a difference simply by our presence… even if we are ever so slightly older!

  36. Tohu Wabohu says:

    Re #3: Im scheduled for a colonoscopy on December 15. I’ll let you know if that experience turns out to be less unpleasant than The Holidays. (Something to consider: Even including the prep– which is far more unpleasant than the actual procedure– the whole colonoscopy ordeal lasts for just two days, not two months like The Holidays.)

  37. DavidM says:

    #35 Great story, Duane. You asked a simple question without reacting to the officer’s action. Much of our culture seems to have lost the ability to discuss, choosing instead to react.

  38. Erunner says:

    Tohu…. I had to go through the process two consecutive weeks!! The horror! 🙂

  39. Jon Flanagan says:

    How do you reconcile your point # 1 with Romans 13?

  40. Erunner says:

    Joe, For me there’s nothing to reconcile. We have a process in place and then we vote. Some believe it was God’s miracle to see His man Trump elected. I don’t. Romans 13 would apply if Hillary had been elected just as it does with Trump. Therefore I will obey laws that don’t ask me to violate my faith.

    Some might say since Hillary had more votes she should be president. So I imagine some might say she’s God’s choice.

  41. Muff Potter says:

    Josh the Baptist @ # 15:

    I’m an old school Socialist in the tradition of Franklin Roosevelt and I am also staunchly anti-abortion.
    So much for lockstep views and beliefs based on ideological labels huh?

  42. Duane Arnold says:

    #41 We are all “walking contradictions”…

  43. Josh the Baptist says:

    Muff, I guess until the last few years I would be most honestly described as a pro-life democrat. Then, the rhetoric was “safe, legal, and very rare”. Somewhere that changed to almost a celebration of abortion, and championing gay marriage…and well, I couldn’t stand with them any more either. I had expected this to be my first presidential election to go for the republican, and then they put up Trump.

  44. Patrick Kyle says:

    Regarding #4 It is pure speculation on my part but I suspect this ‘fracturing’ of the Church is God’s own doing. There is every kind of church, from ancient liturgical, to Cowboy Church and the Hot Rod Church for Sinners. There are a multitude of doctrinal emphases. There is literally a church to appeal to almost everyone, and in the west, almost every sub culture. To those who refuse all of them, and refuse to be converted, on that day Jesus will truly be able to say to them, ‘We played the flute and you did not dance, we sang a dirge and you did not weep.’ The nations will be without excuse for rejecting Him. To me, the multiplicity of denominations is evidence of God’s grace, going to the uttermost, accepting division, and even humiliation (Cowboy church ? Really?) to reach His lost creation. To be sure, not all denominations and churches are equal with respect to sound doctrine and fidelity to the Scriptures, some are far better (or worse) than others. And as Paul says, some members of the body are ‘deserving of more honor.’ (think hidden behind a zipper) All of this is far more believable to me than Jesus’ prayer for His people not being answered because we can’t get our act together and finally accomplish what we started at the Tower of Babel with respect to the Church

  45. Anon says:


    You’ve got more insight that Jesus Himself?

    His prayer in John 17 been abrogated because the U.S. has many different types of churches?


    You’re right — it is total, extrabibiical speculation.

  46. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I think Patrick Kyle is onto something. Jesus provides what he prays for.

  47. Randy says:

    I’m tired of politics, tired of fighting, tired of opinions in fact. But I’m still interested in food. So I’m wondering what brackish soup might taste like? Here in south Louisiana we have a lot brackish water. You know food is a kingdom of God matter. I wonder if we will have brackish soup at the great banquet table. I’m going to work on a recipe, if I come up with something, I will let you know.

  48. Josh the Baptist says:

    Randy! Good to see you around.

  49. Dan from Georgia says:

    Randy, not sure what brackish water is…does it mean salty? Anyways, yes, I think the food will be AWESOME in heaven. I hope they have pizza.

    Tired of politics and arguing and fighting also.

    Someone above mentioned music and art. My cup o’ tea! I play guitar and paint. These activities round me out more than politics, debates, and too much soda.

  50. Randy Davis says:

    Yes, brackish is salty but not sea water. I was thinking of something with fish in it. But, no real ideas yet.There is a large Vietnamese population in New Orleans and their cuisine has become very popular. Maybe a pho recipe.

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