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  1. Babylon's Dread says:

    Culture wars are real but our battle is to fight on ground where we can die. For me that now means freedom, especially freedom of speech. Everything flows from that foundational post. Freedom of religion and press are derivatives, at least in some ways.

  2. Michael says:

    BD,

    Those are American values, but are they “biblical” ones?
    I might die on those same hills with you, but I’m not sure I can frame them as “Christian”.

  3. Duane Arnold says:

    Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
    Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
    The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
    Are full of passionate intensity.
    W.B. Yeats

    Well said, Michael…

  4. Michael says:

    Thanks, Duane…Yeats is sounding like a prophet…

  5. Babylon's Dread says:

    Michael,

    I am preaching through the last week of Jesus on earth and he was embodying the prophets as he addressed Israel/Jerusalem. The prophets assumed free speech in that they were willing to be killed. The under-reported story of that last week might be the dynamics of how the ‘crowd’ was flipped from believing Jesus was a prophet to “crucify him.” It was a carefully manipulated process IMO.

    And no freedom of speech is not a christian issue it is a human issue that makes it all the more powerful for Christians to espouse.

  6. ( |o )====::: says:

    Dread,
    “…freedom of speech is not a christian issue it is a human issue that makes it all the more powerful for Christians to espouse.”

    word!

  7. Jerod says:

    Old Testament, no freedom of religious expression under Joshua, at least.

    New Testament – Paul said there must be heresies to prove what is true. Jude says to remain quiet about gov’t matters we know little about.

    Reign of Christ – no freedom of speech.

    Freedom of expression is not a biblical value but a human one – one that we are allowed by God and men to enjoy and blessed with under grace. Our “freedoms” outside of the decalogue do not seem to be much of a priority for God. Maybe that’s because he knew we would cling to them rather than him.

  8. Babylon's Dread says:

    Guitar Man,

    It is good to agree. Safe to say we need that kind of moment. Thank you.

  9. ( |o )====::: says:

    Dread,
    Always, my brother!

    Even in our most difficult disagreements we’ve never stopped loving each other, praying for each other, asking Jesus to care for each other and this family.

  10. Dan from Georgia says:

    #3….I too was thinking in the mid to late-90s that with the advent (can I use that word here?) of the internet, information sharing will benefit us all.

    HA!

  11. Martin Luther's Disciple says:

    I think the statement you ask about in #7 is still in full force. I work with 4 mission type ventures around town and folks love the help we provide – even things as simple as feeding free breakast to the spring breakers, or those who come to the food Bank.
    They know us by our love – but their recognition of our love is not our motivation.

  12. Jim says:

    6. I have come to the conclusion that we will see (or our children will see) a complete collapse of the church and state as we’ve known both to this point…

    True, we are cruising at lighting speed now… Take this blog as an example, 5 years ago Michael was considered avantgaurd and verboten by many in Christendom, today he right up there with Mister Rogers and Walt Disney!

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