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  1. Steph says:

    #6 Bah hahahaha!

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. “Let’s see if we can drum up some business?”

  2. Dan from Georgia says:

    Comment on your thoughts number 2 & 3:

    That is the nature of science (pun intended)…changes/adjustments in theories are inevitable, as long as research continues. Unfortunately in the public square these days, like you said, people will hold onto their ideas that support their thoughts, despite facts being given to them that contradict their thoughts/ideas. I have seen this in my field of expertise, and obviously online in regards to politics and religion.

    In refereed journals, frequently you will see rebuttals to already-published research. And the mature among us will take thought and consideration to these rebuttals before making a judgement.

  3. Mike E. says:

    “Learning and growing from what you learned used to be considered virtues…now they are considered weaknesses because they are the enemy of the certainty we crave…”

    Interesting thought to me especially when it comes to theology. I’m fascinated by different ideas in theology, but I must admit a gnawing fear I’m doing something terribly wrong even reading ideas that aren’t accepted by the majority of scholars. It’s like I’m afraid my mind might actually change and I will become a heretic. What’s at the root of such fear? Just a quick example, I’ve read some things recently challenging the concept of hell as eternal conscious torment and also on universalism. I find there’s actually some fairly good arguments for both. But who wants to be a heretic? 🤷‍♂️

  4. Michael says:


    I find this trend confounding…real research just doesn’t fit binary choices very well…

  5. Michael says:

    Mike E,

    One of the greatest crimes the church has committed is to make thinking and imagination a matter of heaven and hell.
    I had to become an Anglican so I could breathe…and I’m at the age where I really don’t give a damn what people think.
    Actually, I’ve pretty much been that way since childhood, but I’m worse now… 🙂

  6. Michael says:


    It’s all for the gospel… 🙂

  7. Dan from Georgia says:

    That’s right Michael, and nuance is anathema to most believers…everything has be thrown into one of two boxes, or you’re not saved.

  8. Michael says:


    Exactly…and that attitude is what is making it impossible to meet the challenges we face today.
    I’m not sure what to even say anymore…

  9. CM says:

    Dan from GA and others,

    I am reminded by this quote from Isaac Asimov:

    “There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

    That has been especially true during this coronavirus pandemic.

  10. Michael says:


    Unfortunately true…

  11. filbertz says:

    a prophet for this generation is Ray Bradbury. Perhaps if the so-called prophesy wonks were a little broader in their reading, they’d be more graceful, generous, and …uh…accurate. But like you said, inbreeding leads to weak offspring (which by the way narrowly beats out your ‘self-pleasuring’ reference as quotable MN/PP for this TIT).

  12. Michael says:


    I’m glad there was an alternative quote to the one… 🙂

  13. filbertz says:

    Oh, it was appreciated and rather appropriate. 🙂 If I ever do my pod-cast it will be titled “So Junior High.”

    Actor suggestions: Jonah Hill as CS and Jim Carey as GL. After all, it’d have to be a comedy.

  14. filbertz says:

    the economic devastation will largely be small businesses which tend to escape media attention but lead to neighborhood blight as buildings go empty and deteriorate…As we’ve seen with animals moving into cities without human traffic during quarantine, the homeless population moved into downtown areas and set up shop quite quickly and efficiently. There are many societal issues that have been ignored or immune to easy fixes which are coming home to roost in this moment in time. Wise leadership and thoughtful follower-ship are premium commodities today.

  15. EricL says:

    #1- I think you’re right about the financial devastation. In 6 months to a year, the home foreclosures will flood the market from all those folks who have been skipping their mortgage payments. It took almost a decade to pull out of the Great Recession of 2007-09 and just as the middle class were feeling confident again, here comes the Pandemic Recession of 2020- ?

    #6- Just wondering who will play Lonnie Frisbee? Or will he be swept under the rug as part of the ongoing rosy hagiography of early CC folks?

    #9- I think you’re right to focus on the state of our souls instead of the state of the country. Focus on the eternal rather than the political. I have one friend who is ruining his life with his obsession over Trump. Every day he posts about him on FB, usually multiple times. His profile picture features a drawing rendition of Trump. He seems to follow Trump’s every word and action, detailing them online. It is unhealthy and, if Trump returns for another 4 years, this guy will have wasted almost a decade of his life living vicariously through Trump. He is a Trump addict, to the detriment of his soul. But the worst of it is that he isn’t even a Trump lover; he’s a Trump hater. My friend seems to spend 24/7 focusing his thoughts on someone he dislikes. That would be soul crushing for me, and all that attention on Trump really makes no difference in the grand scheme of politics. So sad.

  16. Michael says:


    Lot of wisdom in what you just wrote…

  17. Michael says:


    We’re already seeing that blight start…and we have no leaders with vision…

  18. CM says:

    How about Chad Allen for Lonnie Frisbee? Chad played Nate Saint (of Auca fame) in the movie “The Tip of the Speer”? No need to cast a straight actor to play a gay person.

  19. CM says:

    Though if you want a comedy for the biopic, then Nathan Lane or Jim Parsons for Lonnie Frisbee.

  20. Em says:

    Hope an old lady agreeing with what Michael is thinking doesn hex it
    #7-is, IMO, a very real outcome, if we can put a lid on privilege for all…. Utopia? Not till Christ returns – the real One
    Now ill go back and edify myself with what all have posted here this AM. 😇

  21. Em says:

    Mike E @6:49 FWIW
    Trust tradition (mostly) cuz we can’t out think the Serpent AND….
    It seems to me that the devil is pulling the strings of the vocal majority right now…. Dunno, thoug, do i?

  22. DavidM says:

    #5 . . . and the overcorrection hysteria continues. Where will it end?

    #6 Cannot wait to NOT see this film. I like Jim Gaffigan but, a comedian to portray a man who had little if any sense of humor??

  23. bob1 says:

    #6 — Good grief. I’m sure it’s gonna be accurate.


  24. DavidM says:

    And, as EricL pointed, Lonnie Frisbee played a much more significant role in the Jesus Movement/CCCM than did Greg Laurie. Though Laurie became more well-known as the years went on, he was a bit player in the ‘69-‘71 years of CCCM.

  25. Anon says:

    How about Yoda for playing the role of Chuck? 🙂

  26. pstrmike says:

    Re: The Calvary movie. I wonder who they will cast for Junior? His role in the development of that church is often under played.

    I think most people don’t realize that the Jesus Movement was much bigger than Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa.

  27. Duane Arnold says:


    Here in the State of Indiana:
    2,624 Deaths
    17.5% Unemployment

    In Indianapolis:
    60% – 70% of Hotels will close
    80% of Restaurants
    80,000 frontline hospitality workers are unemployed (majority minority)
    Full economic recovery for the city unlikely before the third quarter of 2022
    Airport and Travel recovery will take 3-5 years

    Folks, it’s looking like a long road…

  28. bob1 says:

    Duane, my dad’s side was originally from Indy and Muncie. And I’ve been back over the years.

    Really sorry to hear about Indy’s plight. That’s pretty grim.

  29. Jean says:


    Here’s where we’re presently at: Reporters are now asking the President’s Press Secretary, “Does President Trump read?” This is in reference to the intelligence reports regarding Russia and bounties on American soldiers. But, I’ve noticed that since the pandemic has turned south in the South and Southwest, the President appears to be AWOL. Do you think he reads?

  30. CM says:


    Only the placemats at Chuck E. Cheese.

  31. Michael says:

    Look, I understand the frustration many of us feel with this president.
    However, it serves no purpose to mock him daily…if your purpose is to convince people to think about their choices in November.
    It just puts his supporters on the defensive.
    We have to speak and reason in a way that people will listen…

  32. Em says:

    Around our house we’ve noticed that it has become fashionable to blame the President for everything negative….
    Wow! He must be as powerful as…… God

  33. Jean says:

    The President labeled himself a wartime president in the war against the invisible enemy. He wanted credit when he thought he’d beat it. Now it’s only fair that the buck stop with him in the mess we’re in.

    He goaded the premature reopening and heaped praise on the Southern state governors, while mocking and attacking Northern state Democratic governors.

    Can we not see these things?

  34. Em says:

    Jean, seeing and agreeing? Two different reponses. 😏
    God keep

  35. CM says:


    So you don’t think the buck stops with the president then? Perhaps then you can tell which Trump is in the White House now? The one who Tweeted this on 08 November 2013:

    “Leadership: Whatever happens, you’re responsible. If it doesn’t happen, you’re responsible.”
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 8, 2013

    or the one who said this on 13 MAR 2020:

    Which Trump did you vote for? Unless of course you think that responsibility is NOT a component of leadership.

  36. filbertz says:

    the president is who he is. I don’t have to play his game or by his rules. too many have become just like him (on both sides of the aisle) with just as much self-awareness. it has cost our culture a great measure of its decency, respectfulness, reputation, and standing. sure, he can do better, but I’m not holding my breath. But can I? can you? by God, we must.

  37. I don’t have many FB friends, but I’m currently watching a meltdown been a friend a went to junior high and high school with, her older sister, and a few other relatives taking sides over trump. The usual memes, calling relatives stupid and worse. It’s sad.

  38. Duane Arnold says:


    I’m currently reading a biography of Charles De Gaulle, ‘A Certain Idea of France’. I’m learning a great deal – he authored several books, spoke French, German and a bit of English and was widely read in history, philosophy, literature, poetry and even some theology. Very similar to others of his time up to and including JFK. We used to expect it and consider it admirable. Currently, however, anti-intellectualism has become part of the cultural landscape and lack of reading is considered by many as a badge of honor…

  39. Em says:

    CM, puzzling question??? Seemed to me that the man was taking advice and counsel from experts – devising action on the go…. My late husband almost died from mandatory swine flu shot, btw.
    Do you think the President’s desk has a magic wand in the top drawer?
    As i type tis i am watching the clean up from the mob rule on Capitol Hill in Seattle… These are strange and challenging times… As Believers we can accomplish more with prayer than 2nd guessing, i believe.. . 🙆

  40. CM says:


    DeGaulle and others were early pioneers in the study of mechanized warfare. Unfortunately, the only country to really learn and adopt these new theories were the Germans. Interestingly, French tanks were for the most part better armored and had bigger main guns. Their problem was lack of support weapons (like tank machine guns), poor tactical doctrine in their use and role in warfare, and lack of radios in the tanks.

    And to answer people’s questions: Yes I am a military history buff and yes I play military boardgames. 😀

  41. Bride of Christ says:

    EM’s post regarding the President taking advice from the experts. It’s plain as day that the President has been defying the advice of the experts. He held a huge rally indoors during the pandemuc. He won’t wear a mask. He won’t follow the directions or release the full report from his own health department regarding guidelines for reopening and testing. Almost every statement he has publicly made about COVID19 has turned out to be wrong or flat out false. He won’t use the War Powers Act to provide our country with the medical tools desperately needed to track and treat this pandemic. He has done nothing to stop states from having to bid against each other for basic medical supplies. We are still lagging in testing and contact tracing. America is losing this war and our president has officially given up. Even Republicans are now openly critical of the way this president is handling this crisis.

  42. Em says:

    BoC, you must get your info from CNN…. No matter, some, many just hate Trump…. because of his dumb hair maybe. 🙆

  43. Michael says:

    I have a long list of reasons why I loathe him…hair is at the very bottom.
    I would say instead of arguing about him (who we can do nothing about) we need to focus on what each one of us can do…where we are…today.

  44. Jean says:


    This is one of the sites I look at:

    You can click on any state for individual state information. It is run by the guy who founded Instagram. I think it’s helpful for assessing the velocity of the spread of the infection in any given state.

  45. Michael says:


    The metric that most concerns me is hospitalizations.
    That’s the trigger the governor uses to decide whether to shut down or not…and I think that here, a shutdown leads to bloodshed.

  46. Dan from Georgia says:

    Really nice link Michael.

    Looked at Georgia’s stats..didn’t realize we dropped below Rt value of 1 for a bit.

  47. Jean says:


    “I think that here, a shutdown leads to bloodshed.”

    I’m sorry that apparently front line health care workers are considered disposable.

    In AZ they this week implemented a “crisis standard of care”. That my friend is essentially what a death panel does.

    I think we have a responsibility to get the truth out about what is actually going on. Apparently holding indoor rallies without social distancing twice in the last month against the advice of the CDC is in the minds of some only false CNN news.

  48. Michael says:


    When the extended unemployment benefits and eviction moratoriums are lifted in a month, all hell is going to break loose.
    We have small businesses here hanging on by a thread…another lockdown and it’s over.
    Many are still open only because of government funds that are running out.

    We don’t realize how really screwed we are.

    I can’t critique the indoor rallies while ignoring that Portland has now had protests for 38 straight days…

  49. Michael says:


    As a society, we no longer agree on what is true.
    One of the stunning results of this election year is that 9 candidates who follow a mythical social media creation named “Q” won primaries.
    When that level of absurdity is accepted, we’re doomed.

  50. Dan from Georgia says:

    I found that almost sickening that Qanon followers are now elected officials.

  51. Dan from Georgia says:

    Ooops…meant primary winners. Bad enough.

  52. CM says:

    Jean, Dan, and others,

    Here is another site that is good:

    This has a state by state breakdown, plus ICU availability, test targets, etc in 4 really good tables. They provide all the references to their data sources, as well as GitHub for the code used in the curve fitting calculations.

    Dan: If you scroll to the 4 table you will see that the positivity rate in GA is increasing (IOW the spread of the infection is faster).

  53. CM says:


    It just means that the Qanoners need to lose to their political opponent is all. The SS Trumptanic is sinking and will take much of the GOP with it (including down ballot). When Trump has to set aside $100 million in fall ad buys for Texas, Georgia, and other traditional GOP strongholds it means he is playing defense.

  54. Xenia says:

    many just hate Trump…. because of his dumb hair maybe<<<<

    Seriously Em, do you think that's all there is to it?

    Listen, I do appreciate some of the things he's done and disagree with other things he done and said. I never expect to agree 100% with a politician. But Donald Trump is a senile narcissist and that's the main reason I can't support him, although there are other reasons as well. I do not hate him. Actually, lately, I've begun to feel sorry for him, if you can believe it.

  55. Jean says:


    “I can’t critique the indoor rallies while ignoring that Portland has now had protests for 38 straight days…”

    Were the Portland rallies inside?

    in any event, I expect leaders to lead, not follow the lowest common denominator. We as a country are suffering because of a lack of leadership and leadership attempts to bring people together rather than lead using a strategy of division.

    How can a leader in good conscience argue before the Supreme Court in the middle of a pandemic that the ACA should be repelled when over 20 million Americans rely on it for their health care? And it’s important to note that said leader has no replacement legislation.

    How can a leader in good conscience re-tweet a white power parade and leave it up for a number of hours?

    I don’t get it, I really don’t.

  56. Michael says:


    As you well know, I do not support this president…but we have no coherent leadership from the other side either.
    Sometimes, I think this absence is the hand of God…and that should really frighten us…

  57. Jean says:


    I think some of the Democratic Governors have lead admirably in their states. And in some cases, despite the lack of leadership at the federal level. I think the bar is so low, e.g., the acquisition of PPE and establishment of testing and procurement of testing supplies, that I think the Democrats could and will do a much better job in leading at a national level. I mean, it wouldn’t take much at all to better what the current Administration has done, would it?

  58. bob1 says:

    QAnon — I can’t keep up with all these loony, fringe groups

    Was that the group behind Pizzagate, when the poor, deluded b*stard from Virginiastrutted in to the DC pizza restaurant brandishing guns? (He’s now
    serving a jail term).

  59. CM says:


    Amen to your last comment. God is setting us with the leaders we deserve. And it is indeed frightening.

    Bob1: I think you are right about that one. I think the owners of the pizza place should sue Alex Jones for every penny he has. Either that or send him a free pizza to his house by a hired gunman return the favor.

  60. Michael says:


    That’s the group…the influence is staggering…

  61. Em says:

    Michael @12:28… could be and that SHOULD frighten us

    I think that the Church in the United States has every right to express their views in public, but that said, we have a stronger, mote valid obligation – that is to grow in wisdom and understanding of God’s kingdom… not saying anything new to anyone here, just sayin’ again 😇

  62. CM says:


    Agreed. At least The Church of the SubGenius was a satire/fake group. Same the Sacred Order of Stonecutters in The Simpsons. But these folks think Qanon is real. Even worse, how many “Christians” buy into it. Now add all the 5G/Bill Gates/COVID/anti-vaxxer conspiracy excrement that is being pushed on “Christian” cable channels (Daystar, cough, cough) and bloggers (by a pastor initialled WB, cough, cough), and we are heading for whole other level of crazy.

  63. bob1 says:

    What’s sad about this fellow is that it appears that he was ‘snookered’ by this ultra-far right group. He surrendered to the cops right away.

    That’s one reason these groups are so very dangerous. Innocent people can literally lose their lives.

  64. Dan from Georgia says:

    Good link also CM! I used to look at the Johns Hopkins map, but found it lacking in relevant data. I had to block the Trump campaign from emailing me…not sure how I got on their email list, but I got 1, then 2, then 3 emails from them in 1 day. Not a hater, but not a fan of Trump.

  65. CM says:

    Of course there is nothing new either. For a trip down memory lane, let us not forget:

    Mike Warnke and all satan worshipping child sacrificers (how many fundies and evangelicals bought into that) and his copycat satanist, John Todd.

    The various nutty conspiracies so beautifully illustrated in Jack Chick tracts.

    The people who said Mikhail Gorbachov was the Anti-Christ because of the birthmark on his forehead

    The bogus kidnapping story of Aimee Semple McPherson.

    People in the forum can add others.

    Here is a good link on Christians and conspiracy theories:

  66. CM says:


    The link I provided pulls data from the JHU site and others for its information.

  67. Dan from Georgia says:


    I remember the Mike Warnke stuff. Actually had a tape of one of his shows. He still claims innocence, doesn’t he.

    Sad to say I also had Chick Tracts. Ugh. What was I doing!?!? Funny how we can be vulnerable when babes in Christ.

  68. Dan from Georgia says:

    Oh, and don’t forget the Madeline O’hare and others alleged campaign to take Christian broadcasting off the air. Fell for that one too.

  69. bob1 says:

    I don’t know. I thought Chick Tracts were kinda funky in their own way. Of course his POV is extreme dispensational crazy. But the art! I think it’s actually won followers outside the church.

  70. Dan from Georgia says:


    For what they were worth…the artwork was fascinating to me. I found them entertaining also (given that, not only were they dispensational like you said) but full-on fundamentalistic.

  71. Em says:

    bob1 @ 1:19
    “Innocent people can literally lose their lives.” A sad, but true observation. …. Why DO people feed on anger and hate? A pastor observed that a gossip is a worse sinner (does more damage) than a drunk. I’d say yes to that also….

  72. Jim says:

    Looking at Jean’s link, it looks like phase 2 (June 5), which was pretty dramatic, didn’t move the needle in Florida.

  73. CM says:

    Dan and bob1,

    Here a link to the Jack Chick museum of fine art:

  74. bob1 says:

    Thanks, CM!

    Truly frightening…also fascinating, a bit like watching a train wreck. 🙂

  75. Jean says:

    In the Christian spirit of Love your neighbor as yourself, there is nothing that would stop a Christian from supporting his restaurant-owner neighbor by purchasing take out or purchasing a gift certificate. Even if dine in service is deemed unsafe in a local area, a community can come together legally to support one another.

    Let’s say the restaurant, nevertheless, goes out of business and you never see a penny of your gift certificate. O well, you made a donation and helped someone in need.

    We need to look for ways to support our neighbors without breaking the law or demonizing our elected officials. If we don’t contain the coronavirus, it won’t matter what the government requires; people will withdraw from commerce out of self preservation.

  76. Michael says:

    Thank you for that.
    The small restaurant is a very endangered species right now…

  77. Jean says:

    I think one of the lessons the church may learn from this pandemic, maybe Francis Chan or one of the evangelical giants will write a book, is that we have not been taught the love of neighbor. We think the love of neighbor is transactional. We are taught to give on Sundays and respond to a call for a special donation of a bicycle for a needy kid or to help a church member move some furniture. We do some particular works and then go about or lives feeling good about ourselves as Christians.

    But, I would argue, that the love of neighbor is not transactional, but is to “have this mind among you which is yours in Christ Jesus….” In other words, to love our neighbor as our self is part of the very being of a Christian. It is a way of life, not a transaction.

    This is no where more apparent than during a pandemic. Everything we do vis-à-vis our neighbor is love or hate. Do we distance from him where appropriate? Do we mask up where appropriate? Do we stay home where appropriate?

    When you don’t catch the virus; when you don’t pass the virus to someone else; when you do catch the virus but don’t spread it; you don’t get any gratitude from your neighbor. You get zero recognition. You get zero respect or admiration. But in the eyes of your heavenly Father, he is well pleased.

    I hope that a gifted theologian will write about how good works are distinguished and measured during a pandemic. Because, there will be another. Maybe the church can learn from the horrible job that much of it has done during this one.

  78. Jean says:

    Addendum to my 3:56 comment:

    In many cases, some of the best works a Christian may do during a pandemic, by staying safe and keeping your neighbor safe, you may and probably will never know the magnitude of your love for your neighbor. God knows, but you will in many cases never know.

  79. Em says:

    Hadn’t thought of gift certificates … good idea !

  80. Jean says:

    When the pandemic makes conditions unsafe, businesses do this, not from politics, or from an order, but voluntarily for long term survival, even though it is very expensive. This is why we need leadership to suppress the virus, not pretend it’s just going to go away.

  81. My favorite local Pho place is still shut down. Given that they are in kind of a strip mall, outdoor seating isn’t an option like a few other Pho shops. They are decent, middle tier as far as taste, but I loved that the owner would always come by and talk to my kids. Now 8 and 10, he has known us since my eldest was a baby.

    Years ago, he even forgave my daughter, then a toddler, taking a cookie from their Buddhist display (I was really horrified). He gave her the cookie. She was 2, I reasoned that the “food sacrificed to idols” didn’t apply.

    We drove by today and they were still closed. I hope that they saved up enough to pay their rent, and I wonder about their workers, fellow Viet refugees.

    What I did see over 10 years was that they put their son through college and he got a good job with a high tech medical company. I last talked to him about it and he was doing well. Their daughter was just entering college. I used to see her doing homework, then helping out serving. I sincerely hope that the family makes it through this. Multiply this story by the thousands across the nation… and in other nations.

  82. Dan from Georgia says:


    Those Chick Tracts on that monsterwax site! Takes me back to my early days as a young and impressionable new believer. Gonna be fun perusing around that site.

  83. CM says:

    The New Victor,

    Where are you anyways? I love Pho. I always get it with all the meats (including the tripe). In fact, about the only way I will eat tripe is in Pho.

  84. CM says:

    Michael and Jean,

    I and am sure many others here) have been doing what they can to help their local eateries. There is a mom-and-pop pizza and Italian sub place that has been around since 1964 and they are weathering the storm reasonably well (most of their business has always been takeout or delivery). They are one of my regulars

  85. JoelG says:

    Jean great comments @ 3:56 & 4:04. I don’t think there will be any books, though. There’s no glory in it. It’s not “radical”. Not exactly “crazy love”. It’s simply being a human being.

  86. CM, San Jose. More Pho places that I could care to try. Too bad I’m just about 50 and can’t eat so much anymore and is not great for my BP, but I love it so… I like sauté, and I’m with you on the tripe, I also like the crunchy fat. My boy stays with Pho Ga or seafood soup. He used to be interested in giant squid so I told him that we were eating giant squid. When I was a youngster, I could eat almost 3 large bowls. Back when it was $4. Now $12-14. I once won a bet with a guy at work who didn’t believe me. I managed 2.75 bowls and he honored the bet to pay for it but he still gave me a hard time for almost making it. Oh to be 21 again…

  87. brian says:

    One thing among the many lessons the students I work with have taught me, little things build and little things bring down. It is the small individual acts that create and destroy. I am blessed to have seen so much building at this level. It has only been the theology I have experienced that has destroyed any hope I ever found in those small acts of kindness. I just cant believe such acts are of Satan set to deceive people into hell. It took me decades to try to weed that out of my soul, if I have one.

    But I still hope, to my shame, I still believe in the goodness of God and of people by His grace. I still dont understand that makes me an enemy of the faith but it seems to.

  88. Em says:

    brian, it’s a good thing granny Em can’t get in your face and scold you…😇
    Of course you hope in the goodness of God and in His grace. For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of youself, it is the gift of God
    (Not works, lest we boast)… So?
    So your hope – your faith – is a gift from God, Himself
    Just sayin’…. cuz i can. ..

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